Why are we underestimating Anakin against Mace Windu? I'd say they are close but Anakin using the DS is stronger. Anakin was according to the ROTS novel
"This is Anakin Skywalker:
The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest, the strongest."
And we have the fact that he utterly tooled Dooku in 8 seconds made a complete joke of one the most powerful Jedi in there 25k history. Anakin is a beast and if he's using his controlled rage against Mace, not his blind idiotic fury like he did against Obi Wan, Mace will get owned.
obi wan won against anakin because anakin was recklass, and Mace beat sidious whom is even stronger than anakin.
Firstly anakin whom is in the dark side, doesnt think before he acts, that is why he lost his legs, and secondly, if this is dark side anakin, Vaapad would reflect anakins speed and own raw power against him, and with shatterpoint and greater experience, he mops anakin on the floor, Not to forget Vaapad is totally unpredictable and anakin has never fought against a vaapad practitionar
if anakin could defeat windu i would think he'd have owned obi won in seconds not a prolonged fight, and its already been stated by lucas that palpatine let windu win, which is logical he would have sensed anakin comming and thus let anakin decide to kill windu in order to drive anakin totally to the darkside. Some say oh how would he know anakin is comming thats just a silly question, palpatine spoke to his emperors hands from VERY big distences and he even sensed vader was in trouble when he fell into the lava pitt and said we have to go get him.
Originally posted by Mider999Stop lying, GL never stated that sidious let windu win, gl stated that sidious only PRETEND to be weak AFTER he got struck by his own lightning.
if anakin could defeat windu i would think he'd have owned obi won in seconds not a prolonged fight, and its already been stated by lucas that palpatine let windu win, which is logical he would have sensed anakin comming and thus let anakin decide to kill windu in order to drive anakin totally to the darkside. Some say oh how would he know anakin is comming thats just a silly question, palpatine spoke to his emperors hands from VERY big distences and he even sensed vader was in trouble when he fell into the lava pitt and said we have to go get him.
And no, anakin is no match for windu at all, Vaapad would kill him
And anakin was more powerful than obi wan and yet got defeated by him, Reason? he does not think before acting, Mace would use that to his advantage and anakin will never know how to predict vaapad, Also vaapad would reflect anakins own strength against him.
Come on people even claim anakin >>> Eu vader which is total bull crap. Anakin is recklass, while vader is patient and calm allowing him to kill his enemies with ease
Originally posted by Kadesh
obi wan won against anakin because anakin was recklass, and Mace beat sidious whom is even stronger than anakin.Firstly anakin whom is in the dark side, doesnt think before he acts, that is why he lost his legs, and secondly, if this is dark side anakin, Vaapad would reflect anakins speed and own raw power against him, and with shatterpoint and greater experience, he mops anakin on the floor, Not to forget Vaapad is totally unpredictable and anakin has never fought against a vaapad practitionar
Prove that ROTS Sidious is a better lightsaber duelsit then Anakin, oh thats right he's not.
No, thats Ankain in his "RWARRRR YOU DONT NOOO MAW PAWA!" That is the Anakin that is shitty powerful but shitty, Anakin CONTROLING his rage and using it to fuel is own power is damn near unstoppable, we see what that Anakin did to Dooku, and Lighsaber master one of the most powerful beings to exist in the galaxy, and Anakin made a JOKE of him, completely destroyed Dooku.
People in duels don't "think" they use the mucle memory of the form and let the force guide most of there moves, we saw what happens when people start to think, Bane vs Kas'im pt2 Bane starts to try and think ahead and all the possibilties that could arise and that leads to him getiing tooled around.
Vaapad, if it could truley redirect power and speed, why did Mace get tooled around by Dooku seemingly effortlessly?
Again Anakin was stated to be the strongest, fastest most powerful Jedi of his generation and perhaps EVER, Mace will not beat him.
Originally posted by KadeshAnd anakin was more powerful than obi wan and yet got defeated by him, Reason? he does not think before acting, Mace would use that to his advantage and anakin will never know how to predict vaapad, Also vaapad would reflect anakins own strength against him.
Think about what you just said:
Anakin doesn't think before he acts in any fight according to you so why in the **** would he try and predict what Vaapad can do?
Originally posted by Advent
You do realize that it would be harder to project something upwards rather than downwards, right? Even with a slope.For example, it's much easier to lift a washer and toss it down a hill than it is for the person at the bottom to firstly catch it and throw it back up with probably as much speed as the person who initially tossed the washer down. This is the easiest explanation I could come up with without resorting to all that speed/velocity/acceleration/etc bullshit, lol.
Basically, it would be similar in principle to peddling a bicycle downhill versus uphill. It requires far more energy to do what Yoda did than what Sidious had done, so I wouldn't necessarily make this as a "point".
so what would the velocity be on a pod traveling at a 15 degree slope? lol.
Nah but, not really trying to argumentative, but that wouldn't apply here. The pods have nothing to do with their physical muscles, its all in their minds. Remember what Yoda told Luke? "No different. Only different in your mind." And Sidious had to bring them up before he threw them down, and was doing it much faster. The only reason it would be harder to push a washer back up a hill, is because of gravity and physical strength. We're talking about people that jump the length of a foot ball field (defying gravity) and who hold, crush, throw, and lift things, sometimes rather large things, with their minds.
Originally posted by Council#13
Well, the Vapaad probably moves so fast that Sidious won't really have time to access the Force against Mace. Saw how they did it in ROTS? Huh? Huh? winknudgeWhere do we get these precentages? Isn't it just enough to say that Yoda is obviously stronger in the Force than Mace, and Sidious beat Yoda?
The Vapaad? You mean the animal? 😛
Mace style might be pretty fast, but his reactions aren't instant. And lifting his hand for a force push is faster than for Windu to run forward to make a lightsaber duel....
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxYes he is, he tooled 3 jedi masters and by DE he could move faster than the eye can see.
Prove that ROTS Sidious is a better lightsaber duelsit then Anakin, oh thats right he's not.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxThat is because makashi sucks when contending to djem so, and anakins used alot of brute force
No, thats Ankain in his "RWARRRR YOU DONT NOOO MAW PAWA!" That is the Anakin that is shitty powerful but shitty, Anakin CONTROLING his rage and using it to fuel is own power is damn near unstoppable, we see what that Anakin did to Dooku, and Lighsaber master one of the most powerful beings to exist in the galaxy, and Anakin made a JOKE of him, completely destroyed Dooku. .
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxBefore battle?
People in duels don't "think" they use the mucle memory of the form and let the force guide most of there moves, we saw what happens when people start to think, Bane vs Kas'im pt2 Bane starts to try and think ahead and all the possibilties that could arise and that leads to him getiing tooled around. .
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxI dont know, he did beat sidious whom is even stronger than dooku, And dooku is using makashi, it is not an offensive technique, it parries the blows from its opponents and he doesnt aggresively attack mace windu. So vaapad in that fight is useless, on Anakins match, anakin is using brute power to kill mace, thats when vaapad and shatterpoint really works
Vaapad, if it could truley redirect power and speed, why did Mace get tooled around by Dooku seemingly effortlessly?
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Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxTry again, anakin would be the most powerful IF he had not sustained injuries on mustafar, the anakin in ROTS is nothing but a punk.
Again Anakin was stated to be the strongest, fastest most powerful Jedi of his generation and perhaps EVER, Mace will not beat him.
GL already stated anakin skywalker is 80% of sidious. and mace windu beat sidious with vaapad, a form which even one of the strongest sith lords could not predict, And no way is anakin stronger than yoda
read this
Vaapad was also described as "a superconducting loop," with the user on one end and the opponent on the other. It was able to take the powers of the opponent and reflect it back at them. In his fight with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the Chancellor's own speed and hatred against him, reflecting it back against the Sith Lord and using it as his own power. Also, when Palpatine unleashed his Force lightning on Mace, the Jedi was able to use his lightsaber, with the power of Vaapad, to reflect the lightning back at him. However, because Palpatine was probably a master of the Sith variant of Juyo as well, he fed the power of Force lightning with his own pain, thus intensified the energetic attack despite his suffering.
Yes he is, he tooled 3 jedi masters and by DE he could move faster than the eye can see.
Sidious knows, juyo,makashi,ataru,djem. all anakin knows is djem so, And juyo > djem so
So what. Why is KMC is on this "teh more forms you know you can pwn anyone!" SInce when does Juyo > Djem SO, and please no Wiki KOTOR 2 BS, Note we are not talking about DE Sidious, but regardless, I doubt he too could beat Anakin unless you wanna argue, DE Luke > Anakin. Anakin is physically stronger and overall better with a saber then Sidious. In a pure Lightsaber duel Anakin would beat anyone save for NJO and up Luke.
That is because makashi sucks when contending to djem so, and anakins used alot of brute force
Ok because the perfect form for dealing with Lightsaber to Lightsaber combat all of a sudden sucks?
"Dookus decades of combat experience are irrelevant, his mastery of swordplay useless...Even his knowledge of the force had become a joke."
Anakin turned Dooku into a joke. Note, Dooku was containing and even defending against Anakins Djem So, so don't bring this Form X > Form Y BS
And you forgot that vaapad reflects anakins own raw power rage and speed against him, no way anakin can beat mace windu on that one
Wanna prove that up with a quote OTHER then Wiki? How can something reflect physical power back? Illogical.
Before battle?
During.
I dont know, he did beat sidious whom is even stronger than dooku, And dooku is using makashi, it is not an offensive technique, it parries the blows from its opponents and he doesnt aggresively attack mace windu. So vaapad in that fight is useless, on Anakins match, anakin is using brute power to kill mace, thats when vaapad and shatterpoint really works
And Dooku could probably, no would beat Sidious in a straight Lightsaber duel. Sidious is NOT the Be ALL end all of Lightsaber dueling, he was beaten by Yoda in a straight duel and he was beaten by Mace in a straight duel, Dooku contended and was never disarmed (like Palpy was) by Yoda like Palpy was, and Dooku tooled Mace. He doesn't aggressively attack? He pushes him back to a pit, meaning he went on the attack you = wrong.
Try again, anakin would be the most powerful IF he had not sustained injuries on mustafar, the anakin in ROTS is nothing but a punk.
Yes,mace will beat him.
BULL SHIT. PROOF. PLEASE. ROTS novel states that at the point of his duel with Dooku, Anakin was "THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI OF HIS GENERATION, THE STRONGEST, THE FASTEST." Its still canon whether you choose to accept it or not.
GL already stated anakin skywalker is 80% of sidious. and mace windu beat sidious with vaapad, a form which even one of the strongest sith lords could not predict, And no way is anakin stronger than yoda
That was Post Suit Vader Numb Nuts.
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Vaapad was also described as "a superconducting loop," with the user on one end and the opponent on the other. It was able to take the powers of the opponent and reflect it back at them. In his fight with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the Chancellor's own speed and hatred against him, reflecting it back against the Sith Lord and using it as his own power. Also, when Palpatine unleashed his Force lightning on Mace, the Jedi was able to use his lightsaber, with the power of Vaapad, to reflect the lightning back at him. However, because Palpatine was probably a master of the Sith variant of Juyo as well, he fed the power of Force lightning with his own pain, thus intensified the energetic attack despite his suffering. [/B]
Please don't post crap from Wiki, without sources, I want actual quotes from novels, comics, creators, like I have provided not some user summary
prove to me anakin can beat every body else.
And a quote from the novel contradicts DIRECTLY of the NEC saying, "yoda could not defeat The MOST POWERFUL sith lord of his time" and the nec came out long after ROTS
anakin hardly has any offensive force powers, mace has force crush, And again there is shatterpoint, which made sidious crawling, sidious in rots is even stronger than anakin, anakin coukld have been 2x of sidious
Vaapad was also described as "a superconducting loop," with the user on one end and the opponent on the other. It was able to take the powers of the opponent and reflect it back at them. In his fight with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the Chancellor's own speed and hatred against him, reflecting it back against the Sith Lord and using it as his own power. Also, when Palpatine unleashed his Force lightning on Mace, the Jedi was able to use his lightsaber, with the power of Vaapad, to reflect the lightning back at him. However, because Palpatine was probably a master of the Sith variant of Juyo as well, he fed the power of Force lightning with his own pain, thus intensified the energetic attack despite his suffering. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Kadesh
Vaapad was also described as "a superconducting loop," with the user on one end and the opponent on the other. It was able to take the powers of the opponent and reflect it back at them. In his fight with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the Chancellor's own speed and hatred against him, reflecting it back against the Sith Lord and using it as his own power. Also, when Palpatine unleashed his Force lightning on Mace, the Jedi was able to use his lightsaber, with the power of Vaapad, to reflect the lightning back at him. However, because Palpatine was probably a master of the Sith variant of Juyo as well, he fed the power of Force lightning with his own pain, thus intensified the energetic attack despite his suffering.
this obviously came from the novel shatterpoint
and it also came from star wars insider. point shattered