Spider-Man vs. Punisher and Wolverine

Originally posted by marvelprince
So the fact that Wolverine shouldn't have been able to survive a blast due to the very nature of a nuclear blast and how his hf works does serve at all to damper this feat? Wow

How about Spider-Man beating Grey Hulk then. Can we take that as a high end feat?

no it doesn't dampen the feat....

don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the feat is ok to use as a typical reference for what wolverine can take, I'm not saying it's ok to use a typical feat to support wolverine, I'm not even saying it's rationale... what I'm saying is that it wasn't induced through plot devices like the firelord one is, it's not tainted...

when did spidey everbeat gery hulk? sans captain universe powers.

Originally posted by jinzin
no it doesn't dampen the feat....

don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the feat is ok to use as a typical reference for what wolverine can take, I'm not saying it's ok to use a typical feat to support wolverine, I'm not even saying it's rationale... what I'm saying is that it wasn't induced through plot devices like the firelord one is, it's not tainted...

when did spidey everbeat gery hulk? sans captain universe powers.

Oh, I gotta. Cool

When the Avengers sent him after him as his "test" to join the team. I believe at the end he discovers Hulk is Bruce Banner and they part ways

what issue is this?

I'll look it up for you, its an ish of Spider-Man. Or maybe you can search for it online. I know its the ish (or arc) where Spider-Man needs money (like he always does) and decides to try and join the Avengers. Hulk has gone rogue again so to test him the team sends him to bring Bruce back in

Originally posted by marvelprince
So the fact that Wolverine shouldn't have been able to survive a blast due to the very nature of a nuclear blast and how his hf works does serve at all to damper this feat? Wow

How about Spider-Man beating Grey Hulk then. Can we take that as a high end feat?

Amazing Spider-man King Size Special 3 is the issue you are looking for

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Amazing Spider-man King Size Special 3 is the issue you are looking for

Thanks alot man. Hadn't seen the ish yet but I intend to look it up now

Originally posted by marvelprince
Thanks alot man. Hadn't seen the ish yet but I intend to look it up now

Not a problem

I just thumbed through the issue real quick and Spider-man didn't win that fight. Hulk handled Spider-man pretty easily, punched a gamma ray testing device, turned in to Banner briefly then swatted Spider-man to the side like a bug and left.

He wasn't Grey Hulk either... are you thinking of another issue? I figured it was the same issue because it is the only one I could think of where the Avengers told Spider-man to beat the Hulk to become a member.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I just thumbed through the issue real quick and Spider-man didn't win that fight. Hulk handled Spider-man pretty easily, punched a gamma ray testing device, turned in to Banner briefly then swatted Spider-man to the side like a bug and left.

He wasn't Grey Hulk either... are you thinking of another issue? I figured it was the same issue because it is the only one I could think of where the Avengers told Spider-man to beat the Hulk to become a member.

No. I'm thinking Grey Hulk for this one. I know the one where he punches a shield and reverts. I guess it wasn't the one where he trying out for the Avengers. My bad

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
*sigh*

Why is it that after more then three years as a member of this forum I'm still posting the same things? That is almost six years if I count my time on CBR and other forums.

... how insightful

Do you know anything about fighting? No? Wow... shocker. People avoid things because it is a necessity. Thats it, thats the only reason. If you got in a fight with someone and they started shooting spit balls at you would you bust out your gold medal gymnastic routine or would you stride straight through the spit balls towards your enemy? Wolverine doesn't even bat an eye lash at machine gun fire... why on earth would he over exert himself to avoid it? It only prolongs the battle.

Imagine for a moment you are in a sword duel against an opponent who is your equal, or even you better in martial skill. Now imagine that instead of wasting time going back in forth with blocks, parries and ripostes you allowed your opponent to land a fatal attack for the sol purpose of exposing an opening in your enemy for you to exploit. Now imagine that same wound would heal in an instance while your enemies would not. Why prolong the battle? For an arrogant showing of martial prowess? Wolverine's efficiency in combat and fluidity of motion is enough of an example of that.

Deadpool beat Wolverine who was with out a healing factor. Should I organize the parade or just mail him his medal? Seriously did you even read the issue? Wolverine is standing in the ruins of what was once a door way and Deadpool fires on him. Wolverine dodges the blast, prison rushes DP and lands not one, not two but three fatal attacks on Wade before Wade lands one of his own. And do you want to know why DP landed that hit? The same reason Punisher would riddle Spider-man with bullets. The same reason Wolverine stabbed Spider-man in the New Avengers training season. [B]BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO AVOID AN ATTACK IN MIDAIR. You can't change your momentum and you body can only contort so much.

Spider-man is gifted with the ability to over power people who... you know... are not fighting him. Wolverine was talking to Spider-man, trying to avoid a needless fight, and Spider-man being rash and impulsive came out of left field and webbed him up. I'm sure I could blind side Mike Tyson with a baseball bat... I must really be impressive.

Spider-man doesn't dodge bullets. He avoids them by anticipating the directory of the bullet and getting out of the way before the bullet is fired. That's all there is to it. Spider-man avoids gun fire from random cannon who couldn't hit the brood side of a barn. Who hasn't? When Wolverine lost his healing factor from a nano tech virus he weaved between Gatling gun fire.

The fact of the matter is that Spider-man has never dodged bullets mid air, those bullets simple missed him. A bullet aimed a center mass on a suspended target is unavoidable no matter how fast you are.

Nothing to do with coincidence, just your inability to interpret comic evidence.

Spider-man can't fly and he can't propel himself threw the air of his own volition. If Spider-man jumped in the air and someone fired his chest there is nothing he could do about it. He couldn't contort his body to avoid it. His webbing isn't faster then a bullet and even if it was he'd still need to use it to change his moment. Spider-man's fighting style is poorly suited for this type of combat and it doesn't make to best use of his attributes in general.

If Spider-man is avoiding Wolverine it means he is in the air (as Wolverine would make short work of Spider-man in melee) in which case Punisher shots him dead center.

He can't parry or block because he would lose which ever extremity he decided to use for the deed.

If Spider-man tries to grab Wolverine's wrist he will lose a hand... seems like a risky strategy to me. Why do you think that would pay off.

I don't need to go to respect thread, I (unlike you I suspect) have many long boxes filled entirely with Spider-man appearances giving me a much larger spectrum of Spider-man's abilities to work with not just the fan-boy favorites in the respect thread.

Spider-man's fighting style leaves him at the mercy of gravity, plain and simple. Explain to me how he would avoid Frank's bullets. [/B]

damn, u really kno ure s***

Originally posted by jasonk3
damn, u really kno ure s***

I like to think so.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Best of both would be Spideman dodging Wolverine and webbing him up, not having to fight him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Edit: Really, I start believing a new feat after 2-3 times.

Welcome to the club true believer.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Since when can't Spider-Man take the majority over Wolverine? 🤨

Secret Wars # 3
Advantage: No one.

Spidey smacked an attacking Wolverine. Wolverine is back up and running after Spidey in the next panel. Spidey runs away. Spidey's slap did nothing.

Spider-Man vs. Wolverine # 1
Advantage: Wolverine.

Spider-Man was scared shitless the whole fight and got toyed with. Gave Wolverien everything he had to no avail. Wolverine ends the fight sitting on Spidey's chest.

Marvel Comics Presents # 48
Advantage: Wolverine.

Spider-Man sneak attacks Wolverine. Wolverine dodges Spidey's attacks, even taking the time to light up a smoke before backhanding Spidey across the roof and through a door. Spidey hits back and Wolverine pops his claws in front of Spidey's face and then kicks him in the gut. Wolverine's ready to fight. Spidey backs off.

Spider-Man # 12
Advantage: Wolverine.

Spidey tries to stop Wolverine from investigating a murder. He grabs Wolverine's arm. Wolverine grabs Spidey by the throat and slams him into a tree hard enough to shatter it. He then threatens a helpless Spidey at clawpoint.

Punisher # 34
Advantage: Wolverine.

Wolverine goes nuts and Spidey webs him to a wall. Wolverine rips the wall apart. Spidey flips over Wolverine and grabs his arms from behind. Wolverine back flips and gives Spidey a drop kick to the nards. Spidey is down.

Marvel Knights Spider-Man # 13
Advantage: Wolverine.

In a training session Spidey slams Wolverine into a wall. He then plasters Wolverine to the wall with webbing. Wolverine rips through the webbing and stabs Parker. Parker eventually passes out after the single blow.

Marvel Team Up # 1
Advantage: Spider-Man. (Debatable)

Spider-Man webs up an unsuspecting Wolverine and then runs away.

So yes Metalmanx, Wolverine does look better than Spidey a majority of the time. Your welcome.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Every time Wolvey puts his claws into action, cutting himself free, he drops about thirty stories, and pick up a (LOT) of internal damage. Leave us not forget - Wolverine has a H-E-A-L-I-N-G factor. Which means he picks up D-A-M-A-G-E. He is not I-N-V-U-L-N-E-R-A-B-L-E.

Jumped off the Shield helicarrier twice AND WAS FINE.
Thrown off Avengers Tower by Spidey AND JOKED ABOUT IT.
Fell 80,000 feet from the Earth's atmosphere AND WAS STILL CONSCIOUS.

Dropping Wolverine off buildings wont stop him.

And yes, Wolverine the next best thing to invulnerable against Spidey's damage capabilities.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
and Wolvey is running around frantically trying to get a stepladder, so he can get his deadly, razor-sharp, utterly useless adamantium claws into action.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Well if you want to use best single showings then Spider-Man beat a herald of Galactus.

Originally posted by marvelprince
A simple backhand slap over a few buildings will take Wolverine out of this one.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Please. Spider-Man has swatted away Logan like he was nothing,

Originally posted by marvelprince
has webbed him up and placed him in a helpless position and been on the verge of killing him

Originally posted by marvelprince
and yet Wolverine fans always have an excuse.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Then its just Logan vs Peter (who's not holding back). SM can then proceed to
a) just web him up.

Originally posted by marvelprince
b) punch/kick him over the horizon.

Originally posted by marvelprince
c) suffocate him with the liquid metal in his suit .

Originally posted by marvelprince
Sure there are others, but I don't feel like being creative right now. I'm sure you get the point though

Wolverine hits Spidey once.
Fight over.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Plus like I mentioned earlier he can turn invisible.

Originally posted by marvelprince
I had forgotten that the costume is bulletproof.

Originally posted by jinzin
that's probably true.... with cis on in this fight logan and frank would most likely be getting in eachother's way while butting heads as well.. and in the iron spidey costume it doesn't look like pete has much to fear from frank as it is....

Hell, I wasn't even considering the Iron costume when I made that vote. 😐

And when I said teamwork, I actually meant the numbers advantage, not their clashing personalities. On KMC, I assume that team-ups are working together as well as possible, not letting their clashing personalities get in the way. What I meant is that Spidey, for some reason, just does insanely well against multiple opponents.

Sigh. This might take some time

Originally posted by riceroost
Oh, that's a great representation of Wolverine's best senario. Wolverine's best showing involves him plowing through any and all offense by Spider-Man and landing a single blow for the win.
Well he survived the nuke by Nitro and he's survived a nuke in Venom. That's two times.

The nuke from Nitro is probably gonna be explained away so i wouldn't put my eggs in that basket if i were you

Originally posted by riceroost
Welcome to the club true believer.
Since Wolverine has 1 upped him most of the time they've fought. I swear you Spidey supporters just blatantly ignore 95% of Wolverine's good showings or call PIS.

We'll see

Originally posted by riceroost
Secret Wars # 3
Advantage: No one.

Spidey smacked an attacking Wolverine. Wolverine is back up and running after Spidey in the next panel. Spidey runs away. Spidey's slap did nothing.

Just showed Spider-Man swatting him away like the hairy irritant he is. No advantage

Originally posted by riceroost
Spider-Man vs. Wolverine # 1
Advantage: Wolverine.

Spider-Man was scared shitless the whole fight and got toyed with. Gave Wolverien everything he had to no avail. Wolverine ends the fight sitting on Spidey's chest.

Please. Spider-Man decides not to kill Logan and Wolverine takes advantage of his hesitation. Thats all. Spider-Man was dominanting the faight even with Wolverine 'psyching him out'. That was definitely a Spider-Man win

Originally posted by riceroost
Marvel Comics Presents # 48
Advantage: Wolverine.

Spider-Man sneak attacks Wolverine. Wolverine dodges Spidey's attacks, even taking the time to light up a smoke before backhanding Spidey across the roof and through a door. Spidey hits back and Wolverine pops his claws in front of Spidey's face and then kicks him in the gut. Wolverine's ready to fight. Spidey backs off.

Wow. Use a non-fight as justification. Spider-Man didn't wanna fight him so he didn't. Pretty simple

Originally posted by riceroost
Spider-Man # 12
Advantage: Wolverine.

Spidey tries to stop Wolverine from investigating a murder. He grabs Wolverine's arm. Wolverine grabs Spidey by the throat and slams him into a tree hard enough to shatter it. He then threatens a helpless Spidey at clawpoint.

Again non-fight. Spider-Man didn't even attack him. All we see is a bit of speed and strength on Wolverine's part against a Spider-Man who wasn't even trying to fight him.

Originally posted by riceroost
Punisher # 34
Advantage: Wolverine.

Wolverine goes nuts and Spidey webs him to a wall. Wolverine rips the wall apart. Spidey flips over Wolverine and grabs his arms from behind. Wolverine back flips and gives Spidey a drop kick to the nards. Spidey is down.

Didn't see this one so won't comment. If it went as you say then I give Logan this one

Originally posted by riceroost
Marvel Knights Spider-Man # 13
Advantage: Wolverine.

In a training session Spidey slams Wolverine into a wall. He then plasters Wolverine to the wall with webbing. Wolverine rips through the webbing and stabs Parker. Parker eventually passes out after the single blow.

Training session. Training. TRAINING. Spider-Man was not expecting Wolverine to seriously attack him. When he got hit he got pissed and attacked Logan who couldn't do anything to stop him. He passed out from his own exertion, not just cause of the blow

Originally posted by riceroost
Marvel Team Up # 1
Advantage: Spider-Man. (Debatable)

Spider-Man webs up an unsuspecting Wolverine and then runs away.

Nice. Downplay the Spider-Man win here. Yet in all your other example when Spider-Man is caught off guard you count it as a win for Wolverine. You don't even put debatable for the others.

Originally posted by riceroost
So yes Metalmanx, Wolverine does look better than Spidey a majority of the time. Your welcome.
You seem to forget that Wolverine has:

No it doesn't. You've shown Wolverine get the drop on Spider-Man in situations where Spider-Man wasn't expecting it or wasn't looking for a fight. Yet you ignore the decisive examples.

Originally posted by riceroost
Jumped off the Shield helicarrier twice AND WAS FINE.

Healing factor and unbreakable skeleton. Course he'll be fine

Originally posted by riceroost
Thrown off Avengers Tower by Spidey AND JOKED ABOUT IT.

Same as above. Why wouldn't he be fine?

Originally posted by riceroost
Fell 80,000 feet from the Earth's atmosphere AND WAS STILL CONSCIOUS.

I wanna know when this was.

Originally posted by riceroost
Dropping Wolverine off buildings wont stop him.

Just web will do this

Originally posted by riceroost
1) Spidey can't hurt Wolverine from the air.

Wolverine can't get Spider-Man from the air yet Spider-man can attack from the skies or even web him to the ground.

Originally posted by riceroost
2) Wolverine can climb walls almost as fast as Spider-Woman can. And that's without the use of his claws. (Madripoor)

But thats not as fast as Spider-Man now is it?

Originally posted by riceroost
3) Spidey loses track of Wolverine while he's up in the air swinging around.

Conjecture. Please show me scans of Spider-Man fighting Wolverine and mentioning that he's lost track of Wolverine. When swinging Spider-man isn't distracted. His spider-sense kicks in so he's really going on instinct. He doesn't suffer an distractions

Originally posted by riceroost
I seem to remember Firelord's reckless stupidity doing most of the damage for Spider-Man.

Of course you would remember it that way

Originally posted by riceroost
Falling off a building for Wolverine is like you or I tripping over the dog. A minor irritant at best. Look above.

True. Eventually he'll pick himself back up.

Originally posted by riceroost
And Wolverine has done the same, but with better results to Spider-Man.
Oh please. Check yourself. Spider-Man has never been on the verge of killing Wolverine, since we have determined that it's pretty much impossible to do. And dont bring up that Spidey breaking adamantium bullshit. You'll only embarass yourself.

I really don't want to get into this again. Neck can be snapped. Beads on a chain. If it couldn't be done then I'm pretty sure Wolverine would've enlightened him to that fact. Don't embarass yourself by insisting it can't be done when Wolverine seems to think so

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine was psyching him out. Playing mind games. Wolverine has on the other hand definitely had Spidey at his mercy 3 or 4 times.
Just not as many excuses as Spidey fans make up to explain why Spidey got trounced by Wolverine.

Psyching him out and still getting his ass handed to him. Excuses? The guy that uses Spider-Man not trying to fight against a ready to go Wolverine is gonna tell someone about making excuses?

Originally posted by riceroost
And Wolverine could cut his way to freedom as he has done many times.
We have already established that Spidey's punches and kicks only do minimal damage to Wolverine at best.

Not if he's webbed in a way that prevents use of his claw. ie. MTU

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine hits Spidey once.
Fight over.

I'm sure if Wolverine can accomplish this is he gets him while he's sleeping. Wolverine vs Sleeping Spidey. Logan 6/10. Then again...

Originally posted by riceroost
Frank probably has heat vision goggles of some sort and invisibility means squat to Wolverine. Hell Wolverine can turn "invisible" without fancy technology. He's a frikkin ninja. And he's not a dime store hand ninja. He's Snake Eyes with superpowers.

Read the stipulations. Frank doesn't have anything other than his conventional tech. No googles. Frikkin ninja huh? Ninja, meet spider-sense.

Originally posted by riceroost
That doesn't mean Frank can't hurt him. Is it completely bulletproof? Or just against conventional firearms. Frank has been known to carry some heavy duty firepower. Give him a high power sniper rifle with adamantium rounds. Spidey's suit wont stop that.

Suit won't have to. He'll just dodge em

Gotta love those special fanboy goggles that allow you to see everything Wolverine does as a win. He falls off of a building, it's a win. He hits a person when they aren't looking, it's a win. Someone wails on him, he still wins. He's like the street level Superman.

Originally posted by riceroost
Oh, that's a great representation of Wolverine's best senario. Wolverine's best showing involves him plowing through any and all offense by Spider-Man and landing a single blow for the win.

Originally posted by riceroost
Frank probably has heat vision goggles of some sort and invisibility means squat to Wolverine. Hell Wolverine can turn "invisible" without fancy technology. He's a frikkin ninja. And he's not a dime store hand ninja. He's Snake Eyes with superpowers.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman is faster than Wolverine will ever be in both of their best showings, and seeing as he will never have the strength to break the webbing, well, he isn't plowing through anything. I think that's how YOU see it happening.

Yes but if Wolverine's speed is 100 then Spider-man's is 105.. as in not enough to make a difference.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes but if Wolverine's speed is 100 then Spider-man's is 105.. as in not enough to make a difference.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In a non-jobbing Spiderman. It would be more like 150. The Thor-can't-see-him fast.

No that is Spider-man PIS speed so that he doesn't get murdered against superior opponents. Spider-man has been fighting human-esq opponents since the very moment of is creation. Guess what? They all manage to hit him. Chumps like Fancy Dan and Ox... look out he knows Judo! The Vulture, now there is a speed freak. Do you know how long I could keep going on this list? Almost forever. Just read the first 50 issues of Amazing Spider-man to get an idea... you can keep reading the rest if you want an even larger list. Examples of Spider-man being contented with in the speed department both far excite the other and pre date them as well.

We were talking about highest showings regardless of it being bs or not. Hence the "Nuke" feat.

Regardless he would be to enhanced humans what enhanced humans are to normal people.