Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm just saying in general that the media give undue power to Satan. He decieves, he temps, and he accuses. He does not rule hell.I have repeatedly said that Satan does not rule hell.
I understand that. But you're still misunderstanding me. I am saying that
Satan is more important than the one who rules Hell (as in who's a bigger threat to God). That does not make him the ruler.
Originally posted by FeceMan
I am Tom.
😂 So random.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Dose it bother you that I don't believe in Satan?
Originally posted by Council#13
I understand that. But you're still misunderstanding me. I am saying that
Satan is more important than the one who rules Hell (as in who's a bigger threat to God). That does not make him the ruler.😂 So random.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So then Feceman who actually rules Hell ?
Originally posted by FeceMan
Does it bother you that I do?...
Yes, because such dilutions give power to the belief of Satan. The belief has prevented a multitude of people from the clarity of realization that they are the author of the evil in their lives, and not some mythological being causing them pain. If you don’t realize the true source of pain or evil in your life, you are powerless to change.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, because such dilutions give power to the belief of Satan. The belief has prevented a multitude of people from the clarity of realization that they are the author of the evil in their lives, and not some mythological being causing them pain. If you don’t realize the true source of pain or evil in your life, you are powerless to change.
Originally posted by FeceMan
I see. Sort of.
woot
Originally posted by Regret
Don't think there really is a threat to God. A threat to man, yes, but not a threat to God.
Man, I really have to start typing/speaking more clearly. I meant a threat to God as in his people on earth. Satan seduces people away from good which God doesn't want. He's not much of a threat to God, seeing as God can withsand temptation (e.g Jesus doesn't throw himself off the cliff) and in the end of the world Satan gets thrown into the boiling pit of lava with all the other sinners and is destroyed.
Originally posted by FeceMan
There's not a "ruler of hell." Hell is more like, "Into the furnace, bitches, and I'm locking the door behind you."
Actually it's more like -- "Here's the furnace - you can go into it if you want -- but remember in order to control the flames, I'll have to lock the door behind you."
Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Actually it's more like -- "Here's the furnace - you can go into it if you want -- but remember in order to control the flames, I'll have to lock the door behind you."
The problem with that is that nobody voluntarily walks into Hell. There is absolutely no proof for the existance of Christian Judeo or Islamic Hell, therefore whoever ends up there ends up there by accident, assuming this fantasy even exists.
Now you may say, "But we Christians warned you...derrrrr."....There is no true warning. You are shooting blanks with this talk of Hell. It defies all logic, and contradicts itself.
For a Loving God to create a place of eternal torture for those who do not obey him is pathetic and unrealistic.
It is very sad that you can see the sense in that.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The problem with that is that nobody voluntarily walks into Hell. There is absolutely no proof for the existance of Christian Judeo or Islamic Hell, therefore whoever ends up there ends up there by accident, assuming this fantasy even exists.Now you may say, "But we Christians warned you...derrrrr."....There is no true warning. You are shooting blanks with this talk of Hell. It defies all logic, and contradicts itself.
For a Loving God to create a place of eternal torture for those who do not obey him is pathetic and unrealistic.
It is very sad that you can see the sense in that.
The whole fire and brimstone thing I believe was started by Jonathan Edwards in the sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."(Correct me if I'm wrong however)
From what I remember - I believe "Hell" is actually equated to a "bottomless pitt" many times in the bible. Edward's portrayal of "Hell" was mostly derived from Revelations - where the "lake of fire" is referenced - as a place where Satan and his children will be cast after their outright foolish rejection of Yaweh and his loving principles.(For only a fool of course, would reject a simple command like "love one another"😉
However - Revelations never mentions this "lake of fire" representing "Hell"(to the best of my knowledge) - but rather a place where "Hell" and all those who are in it will be discarded.
Revelations is extremely metaphorical - and it is difficult to tell which parts should be taken literally - but my personal interpretation of this whole story - is that Jesus, the true lord and saviour of mankind, as loving and kind and merciful as he is - will come one last time to extend his loving grace to his children(and/or friends and bretheren) before they are cast off - or more appropriately termed - before he completely takes back all of his "love" from within them - as he has with Satan.(Satan of course, by his actions/words - willingly wanted this to happen, since he felt that he was being "controlled" by having Yahweh's "love" within him)
He will also take back the world that he has gracefully allowed all of them to inhabit. Without Yahweh's love - the only thing that remains is Satan and his children, who are all now completely depraved and lovers of themselves.
I do not know if the "lake of fire" represents Yahweh leaving Satan and his followers to destroy themselves - or if he chooses to have them all destroyed - however - what I do know is that Yahweh will have given all of his creations(including Satan) many upon - many chances to repent before they meet their final fate, and the saddest part of it is -- All of them will have had this truth of this final situation - presented to them before any of this happens, many upon - many times, and unfortunately - they'll still reject the gracious love extended to them by Yahweh.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, because such dilutions give power to the belief of Satan. The belief has prevented a multitude of people from the clarity of realization that they are the author of the evil in their lives, and not some mythological being causing them pain. If you don’t realize the true source of pain or evil in your life, you are powerless to change.