Satan - The Prince of Darkness

So this shows that Gods rule is not absolute. (If man is responsible for his own destiny).

God is absolute. We are responsible, but God judges. In the end God makes the final decision no matter what we did of our own will. We can only try, God decides.

But man has free will, the ability to forge his own destiny?

Originally posted by Alliance
But man has free will, the ability to forge his own destiny?

So destiny is subjective? As an athiest if I pursue an athiest destiny and achieve it, God approves? There are multiple destinies one can pursue?

Its dangerous using the term "Christians" as a subjective term. There is nothing real subjective about it. A person who believes Christ is the Messiah is in essence a Christian. Throwing the term around as a subjective term is a false pretense and is merely used by one group to distance themselves from another. Its funny how truely subjective claims can be made into true-false questions by those dying to prove their "correctness."

Originally posted by Alliance
So destiny is subjective? As an athiest if I pursue an athiest destiny and achieve it, God approves? There are multiple destinies one can pursue?

Its dangerous using the term "Christians" as a subjective term. There is nothing real subjective about it. A person who believes Christ is the Messiah is in essence a Christian. Throwing the term around as a subjective term is a false pretense and is merely used by one group to distance themselves from another. Its funny how truely subjective claims can be made into true-false questions by those dying to prove their "correctness."

I see your point, but really some Christians and hypocrites and God will judge them accordingly. They had a goal, thought they were achieving it, but then found out that God had the final say and that they should have tried harder.

Well, that remains to be forseen. Unfortunately, more things point to my destiny than yours 🙂

Well, Christians can be hypocrites outside of their faith as well. Inside the faith, the Bible itself is hypocritical, not to mention its an allegory. When people pick certain parts to take literally and ignroe others, you get an infinate number of permutations of beliefs, all based on Christianity.

Ironically, most of these groups are Protestant denominations. They broke off from the Catholic church to have personal interpretations of the bible, both at the parish and individual level. Yet, they have re-adopted the Catholic church's mentality on this issue. Ironic that after 100s of years of wars and many hard feelings, the system has come full circle.

You have no idea what dead people think, so please don't pretend to.

Originally posted by lord xyz
What is this "hell" that everyone's talking about?

Interesting.... I would have thought they would have told you that you were going there... It's a magical place that is very easy to get into. All you have to do is kill a person or two and don't confess. 🙂

Originally posted by Council#13
Interesting.... I would have thought they would have told you that you were going there... It's a magical place that is very easy to get into. All you have to do is kill a person or two and don't confess. 🙂

Originally posted by Council#13
It's a magical place that is very easy to get into. All you have to do is kill a person or two and don't confess. 🙂

Or partake in gluttony... Become a raging drunk, god hates alcoholics. Satan doesn't seem to mind if you binge drink.

Your body minds if you binge drinks...and that should be reason enough.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Really? Great. How do I get there, do I kill and then poof I'm there?

Well, you could start with one of your parents, but if you don't want to, one of your teachers would do fine. ermm Then you frame your best friend, walk by the Vatican without confessing to your sins, then jump off of one of those ruins lying around Rome. Preferably one that used to be a temple to the Roman Gods. Then you'll be in hell. 😄

Originally posted by Impediment
You really need to get a prescription pill to cure you of "Stupid Remark Making". Atheists are unfairly stereotyped by moronic staements such as yours. Name one instance of Atheism that sparked "Chaos and Destruction." If anything, Christianity has caused infinitely more chaos and destruction, all in the name of your God. Get your facts straight, you lunatic. The only difference between God and Adolf Hitler is that God is more proficient at genocide.

And post like this, obviously gives Athiests such a good name. You, and a fair amount of athiests on this forum, are acting EXACTLY like the people you're constantly b!tching about.

''You are wrong, and I am right, and if you don't accept that I am right, you're stupid''

Sound familiar? Of course it does - you hear it all the time from the religious fanatics at the exactly the same rate as athiests.

You're becoming just as bad as the other. Congratulations.

Did Satan have free will?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did Satan have free will?

Depends on how one defines the word "free" and how they define the word "will."

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Depends on how one defines the word "free" and how they define the word "will."

Could Satan do what he wished to do? Did he have free will just like man had?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Could Satan do what he wished to do? Did he have free will just like man had?

Well according to the story he did..you didn't see God comin in and stoppin him from tempting ol Adam and Eve now did ya? So yup sirree..he did indeedy have a "choice." Now whether or not he was ever "free" to begin with, or whether or not any of us can consider ourselves "free", is another issue altogether...😉

So how does thou like those apples?

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Well according to the story he did..you didn't see God comin in and stoppin him from tempting ol Adam and Eve now did ya? So yup sirree..he did indeedy have a "choice." Now whether or not he was ever "free" to begin with, or whether or not any of us can consider ourselves "free", is another issue altogether...😉

So how does thou like those apples?

According to the bible we have free will and angels do not. Satan was an angel and had free will, so it the bible incorrect?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
According to the bible we have free will and angels do not. Satan was an angel and had free will, so it the bible incorrect?

Like my great granddaddy used to ask me.."you mind showing me where it says that boy?"

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
Like my great granddaddy used to ask me.."you mind showing me where it says that boy?"

So, you don't believe in the bible?