Kas'im versus Yoda

Originally posted by Lightsnake

Stronger argument than any pro- Kas'im one I've seen

😂 That was funny.

Have you seen the same movies I did? Where Yoda flings Emperor Palpatine across the room?

What? Yoda didn't fling him across the room. Don't exaggerate.

Wow, Kas'im blocked an attack from someone weaker than Yoda!

Maybe Yoda'd just tear through his defenses, ever think of that? What was Kas'im's state when he blocked Bane's attack? Could it possibly be that he was flat on his back unable to move?

Has Yoda ever showed the ability to destroy a WHOLE FVCKING TEMPLE with one force attack? No?

No, he wouldn't. And since it never says in what position, we can assume he was standing.

Wait, wait....Yoda defended himself against them flawessly without exerting himself and somehow they;d best him? And last I checked, Palpatine slaughtered three top Jedi masters at once.

If Yoda was attacking. Attacking leaves you open, trust me.

Yoda has lifted up mountainsides and caused avalanches with minimum effort. Collapsing a structure two stories high won't be difficult

What? Yoda didn't fling him across the room. Don't exaggerate.

Yoda rose to his feet, extended a hand, and Palpatine is blasted off his feet from one side of the room, flies across his desk, and is only stopped by his chair, which tips over.

He flung him across the room.

Ah! Sorry. I thought he meant during the scene in the Senate Chamber.

I've still yet to hear a compelling argument for Yoda>Kas'im in a lightsaber battle.

Yoda being the best duelist in the fighting prime of the Jedi, being a supreme master of Ataru, having 900 years practice and experience, the ability to to blindside three Jedi masters, Depa Billaba included, without a saber...

What's Kas'im's? He mastered all the forms and styles and spent decades perfecting it? Sure, but knowing multiple styles isn't directly advantageous. With Kas'im's usual way of fighting, Bane, who only knew Form V was giving him a run for it

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda being the best duelist in the fighting prime of the Jedi, being a supreme master of Ataru, having 900 years practice and experience, the ability to to blindside three Jedi masters, Depa Billaba included, without a saber...

What's Kas'im's? He mastered all the forms and styles and spent decades perfecting it? Sure, but knowing multiple styles isn't directly advantageous. With Kas'im's usual way of fighting, Bane, who only knew Form V was giving him a run for it

Wow lightsnake you really want to go there don't you? I can EASILY counter your argument about Bane giving him a run for it. Think Anakin vs. Obiwan. Anakin was far superior to Obiwan but Obiwan knew his moves backwards and forwards. The exact same applies to Bane. And yet when Kas'im unleashed the Jar'kai style, Bane was screwed. Yoda can learn all the Ataru he wants, he's still outmatched in a saber duel.

Hardly. Bane was a stranger to Jar'Krai, Yoda would not be. Bane had three years of training. Yoda had hundreds. Oh, and last I checked: Kas'im didn't teach Yoda how to fight, nor would Kas'im know all of Yoda's moves.

Best in the prime of the Jedi, Yoda is. Somehow Kas'im knowing multiple styles gives him the edge? Funny. I guess Kas'im would be owned by Sora Bulq since Sora knows Vaapad and Kas'im's never seen it.

Faulty strawman all around

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Wow lightsnake you really want to go there don't you? I can EASILY counter your argument about Bane giving him a run for it. Think Anakin vs. Obiwan. Anakin was far superior to Obiwan but Obiwan knew his moves backwards and forwards. The exact same applies to Bane. And yet when Kas'im unleashed the Jar'kai style, Bane was screwed. Yoda can learn all the Ataru he wants, he's still outmatched in a saber duel.

Not every Makashi user fights identical to Count Dooku. Not every Ataru user fights exactly like Yoda (as Qui-Gon has shown us). Not every Juyo user fights like Darth Maul (who incorporated rigorous martial arts and a double bladed lightsaber into his fighting).

Obi-Wan knew more than just Anakin's fighting style. He knew Anakin. He knew how Anakin thought, his strengths, his weaknesses, his tactics, his consistencies. That enabled him to hold his own against Anakin.

Kas'Im will likely know what Yoda is using, but he will not know all of these things that Obi-Wan did.

Kas'Im won't likely know what Yoda is doing. Imagine this. Kas'Im is this six foot Twi'Lek and he's facing against the two foot green guy with a saber. Yeah, he might believe he'll use Ataru, but he'll be taken aback by Yoda's speed and acrobatic fighting moves.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Hardly. Bane was a stranger to Jar'Krai, Yoda would not be. Bane had three years of training. Yoda had hundreds. Oh, and last I checked: Kas'im didn't teach Yoda how to fight, nor would Kas'im know all of Yoda's moves.

Best in the prime of the Jedi, Yoda is. Somehow Kas'im knowing multiple styles gives him the edge? Funny. I guess Kas'im would be owned by Sora Bulq since Sora knows Vaapad and Kas'im's never seen it.

Faulty strawman all around

You want to talk about strawman LOL..

"Kas'im didn't teach Yoda how to fight nor would he know Yoda's moves".
Hey Lightsnake, that goes for Yoda as well. There's no strawman because I was referring to Bane knowing all of Kas'ims moves, so your argument fails here.
You can refer to Yoda as this this and that, it doesn't really equate to anything in a fight.
Who said sora bulq was good? Oh right nobody. Kas'im IS good, with MORE saber knowledge than Yoda. Stop arguing with facts and provide a logical argument that doesn't include irrelevant verbal fellatio for Yoda.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Kas'Im won't likely know what Yoda is doing. Imagine this. Kas'Im is this six foot Twi'Lek and he's facing against the two foot green guy with a saber. Yeah, he might believe he'll use Ataru, but he'll be taken aback by Yoda's speed and acrobatic fighting moves.

Yet Kas'im himself demonstrated incredible force speed in a sbaer duel, faster than the eye could see.

More lightsaber knowledge than Yoda? Hmm. Debateable. Yoda has far more experience with lightsabers than Kas'Im.

Originally posted by Escape81
More lightsaber knowledge than Yoda? Hmm. Debateable. Yoda has far more experience with lightsabers than Kas'Im.

Experience yes, Knowledge escape? They have both mastered the 7 forms, but there's no evidence of Yoda mastering the double bladed saber nor the Jar'kai style, therefore at this point Kas'im has more knowledge.

However, Yoda has eight-hundred years of experting all his forms (with the exception of perhaps jar'kai) but Kas'Im has maybe only fifty years or so.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You want to talk about strawman LOL..

"Kas'im didn't teach Yoda how to fight nor would he know Yoda's moves".
Hey Lightsnake, that goes for Yoda as well. There's no strawman because I was referring to Bane knowing all of Kas'ims moves, so your argument fails here.
You can refer to Yoda as this this and that, it doesn't really equate to anything in a fight.
Who said sora bulq was good? Oh right nobody. Kas'im IS good, with MORE saber knowledge than Yoda. Stop arguing with facts and provide a logical argument that doesn't include irrelevant verbal fellatio for Yoda.

Yoda's shown himself capable in more than one duel. And BAne never saw Kas'im use Jar'Krai, remember?

And no, I won't 'stop,' because your way of argument is absolutely sad. Instead of trying to argue, you declare your agument as the conclusion.

You can refer to Kas'im being this and that, but it means nothing. C'mon, what do you have? One single fight where he was almost outmatched by Bane? where he was beaten by Bane, someone much weaker than Yoda? Yoda moved faster than the eye could see while unarmed against a Vaapad master and two other Jedi.
Seriously. Oh, btw, last I checked: Yoda would've devoted himself totaly to one style. More knowledge of different forms means absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda's shown himself capable in more than one duel. And BAne never saw Kas'im use Jar'Krai, remember?

And no, I won't 'stop,' because your way of argument is absolutely sad. Instead of trying to argue, you declare your agument as the conclusion.

You can refer to Kas'im being this and that, but it means nothing. C'mon, what do you have? One single fight where he was almost outmatched by Bane? where he was beaten by Bane, someone much weaker than Yoda? Yoda moved faster than the eye could see while unarmed against a Vaapad master and two other Jedi.
Seriously. Oh, btw, last I checked: Yoda would've devoted himself totaly to one style. More knowledge of different forms means absolutely nothing.

Lets see what I have. Kas'ims superior knowledge in saber combat. His battle with bane was equivalent to Obiwan's win over Anakin, so once again your argument doesn't hold ground. Yoda moved faster than the eye could see, and so did Bane. Once again, great argument.

Familiarize yourself with canon, DS. Yoda being more powerful than Kas'im has quite a bit of bearing.

And once again: Superior saber knowledge that is superior because you assume so.
Bane didn't take on three masters at once unarmed, either. Moot point

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Familiarize yourself with canon, DS. Yoda being more powerful than Kas'im has quite a bit of bearing.

What kind of argument is that? That's like saying "Oh Kobe Bryant is better than MJ, you know why, be cause he scored 81 points and MJ didn't." See how stupid that sounds? Because Yoda did feat X that Kas'im didn't, doesn't make him better.

Which helps Kas'im how exactly? Oh, right, your quotes meaning nothing.

Ah, and Yoda did more impresive feats than Kas'im with his saber. Logic, logic