JIA in an attempt to provide facts for you argument, you have failed. I am glad you took the time to RAID an uncertified website, and took all that time to COPY AND PASTE your information instead of typing out your own researched material.....
But the fact remains that "Allah" is an Arabic term meaning "God" thereby killing your entire argument into a shithole....
Good Night JIA
I was going to post it but I did not because I did it a while ago and it looked kind of messy but unlike me, you used the quote function which makes it look better.
It is just hilarious that he made a book out of nothing and got so many people to buy into it, well I guess it should surprise me though.
Originally posted by crazy
It is just hilarious that he made a book out of nothing and got so many people to buy into it, well I guess it should surprise me though.
Which is the key to undeserved success - play on peoples fears and dislikes, publish something that justifies their irrational feelings, and you'll make a bundle as they snap it up in order to justify and validate themselves.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Exactly. "Allah" just means "god" in Arabic.In Spanish "dios" means "god". So is "Dios" a complete and sepereate god from the Christian god?, no. Its just a word meaning "god".
Well, by JIA's logic you worship a different God you ****ing heathen! So if you do not want to end up in hell, you better stop worshipping this "Dios" guy and worship Jesus-God.
Are God and Allah One and the Same?
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (i.e. Israel) and Allah are not the same deity. I could go on enumerating the many reasons why this is true but I would be here until Christmas so I will defer to others who have already done the legwork.
Although I will list some of the most basic reasons why God and Allah are not one and the same here they are:
1. God has a Son but Allah denies having a Son.
2. God is Triune but Allah denies being triune.
3. God's Son Jesus was killed by crucifixion but Allah denies this fact.
4. God is Love (this is Who He is) but Allah is never called love.
5. God's covenant Name is YHWH not Allah. YHWH is never called Allah in the Bible, and Allah is never called YHWH in the Qu'ran (Koran).
6. The Bible never mentions Mecca nor Medina, but mentions Jerusalem 814 times! However the Koran never mentions Jerusalem.
7. God's special treasure (the Jews) are a people that He has chosen for Himself. The God of the Bible has set His love upon the Jews. Allah states in the Qu'ran,
Sura 5:51
51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
These are just seven reasons/facts that confute the fallacy/untruth that the God of the Bible and Allah are the same God. They are not the same God. Those who mendaciously assert that they are the same must deal with these scathing contradictions.
http://www.letusreason.org/Islam6.htm
http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
Sorry, sorry, I couldn't help myself. Reading more about Morey... he is hilarious.
From his own site http://www.faithdefenders.com/ministry/articles/
http://www.faithdefenders.com/ministry/deskof/drmorey/
Pope John Paul II is on Fire For Christ!
Dr. Robert Morey
© Copyright Faith Defenders
Last published 5/1/2005
Pope John Paul II was a poor sinner who trusted in his own righteousness and in the merits of Mary, the saints, and the Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church. He was well-known for his supreme devotion to Mary. When he opened his papal gown a message was sewn into the fabric that said, "I do it all for you, Mary."When he was saved from the assassin he gave the credit to Mary and not Christ. The Pope was guilty of Mariolatry to such an extent it was hoped that he was going to declare her the fourth member of the Trinity. When he arrived in Brazil and was notified about the hundreds of thousands of Roman Catholic that had become evangelical Christians he declared, "We need to have a holy war against the evangelicals." He taught salvation by works and not by grace, and gave no indication of personal knowledge or relationship to Jesus Christ.
That he was not really a Christian is fully revealed in his attitude toward other religions. He believed that all religions are roads to God, and actively prayed with Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Eastern Orthodox, Witches, Satanists, Cultist, New Agers, Voodooists, etc. He even kissed the Qur'an.
When I spoke concerning these things at a supposed Christian high school called Maranatha Christian High School in Pasadena, the headmaster and some of the faculty rose in defense of the Pope, claiming that the Pope was a born again Christian, a man of God and an evangelist for Christ. The headmaster publicly attacked me in an open letter without even bothering to contact me privately. Below is a copy of the letter that I have sent to the school in the hopes that if there are any Christians left there they will throw these Catholic sympathizers out of the school.
I am sick and tired of liberals stealing evangelical schools and turning them into ecumenical whorehouses where they sleep with any and all religionists. After reading the letter if you feel as I do that their defense of the Pope and their condemnation of me was outrageous, write them and tell them so.
Liberals stealing evangelical schools? Ecumenical whorehouses? Oh my he could have been a comedian. Or some person sentencing simple women to death by burning for Witchcraft.
MormonismMormonism has recently been declared the newest world religion since Islam! What formerly was only a minor cult now threatens to become a major enemy of the Church. Christians need the proper answers to combat this heretical religion and its false prophets before Mormonism can damage the church even further.
For some reason this made me think "Darth Mormon and the Evil Empire must be stopped!"
What to do When You Hear Accusations
Dr. Robert Morey
© Copyright Faith Defenders
Last published 3/30/2005
The following chart will help the Christian to avoid the sins of gossip and slander. When you hear an accusation against someone, particularly a church leader, use this chart to judge if it is vain gossip or a valid accusation.The accusation must be:
(a) specific-not general;
(b) a biblically-defined sin - not hurt feelings;
(c) cannot judge the heart or its motives;
(d) supported by 2 or 3 eyewitnesses who can give a first hand account - no
rumors or hearsay evidence allowed;
(e) in conformity to the pattern set forth in Matt. 18:15-17 and I Tim 5:19.
If the person giving the accusation cannot fulfill the biblical requirements, admonish him or her to stop gossiping.
Accusation_______________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________
A. Biblical Passages that support it:____________________________________________
B. 2 or 3 Eyewitnesses:
#1 Name: __________________________________________________
Address:_____________________________________________________________
____________________________________________________________________
Telephone:_____________________________
#2 Name: ________________________________________________________
Address:_______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________________
Telephone:__________________________
#3 Name:_________________________________________________________________
Address:__________________________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________________________
Telephone:___________________________________________________
If we obey Scripture not to listen to vain accusations, gossip-mongers and talebearers would soon be stopped in their tracks.
WTF?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Are God and Allah One and the Same?The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (i.e. Israel) and Allah are not the same deity. I could go on enumerating the many reasons why this is true but I would be here until Christmas so I will defer to others who have already done the legwork.
Although I will list some of the most basic reasons why God and Allah are not one and the same here they are:
1. God has a Son but Allah denies having a Son.
2. God is Triune but Allah denies being triune.
3. God's Son Jesus was killed by crucifixion but Allah denies this fact.
4. God is Love (this is Who He is) but Allah is never called love.
5. God's covenant Name is YHWH not Allah. YHWH is never called Allah in the Bible, and Allah is never called YHWH in the Qu'ran (Koran).
6. The Bible never mentions Mecca nor Medina, but mentions Jerusalem 814 times! However the Koran never mentions Jerusalem.
7. God's special treasure (the Jews) are a people that He has chosen for Himself. The God of the Bible has set His love upon the Jews. Allah states in the Qu'ran,Sura 5:51
51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.These are just seven reasons/facts that confute the fallacy/untruth that the God of the Bible and Allah are the same God. They are not the same God. Those who mendaciously assert that they are the same must deal with these scathing contradictions.
http://www.letusreason.org/Islam6.htm
http://www.kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
Jews deny Jesus to be God's son and God, Jews deny God's three faces, Jews deny that Jesus died for our sins and only through Jesus can eternal salvation be had... So, do the Jews who worship the God of Abraham worship a different God than Christians?
Point being, they ARE the same God, the difference lies in practices, views and ways of worship. End the lunacy JIA.
Call me Ishmael.
I.e. son of Abraham, forebear of Muhummad.
Allah = Elohim = God.
From the Qu'ran
“And among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not yourselves to the sun nor to the moon, but to Allah alone Who has created them, if it is He Whom you really worship.” [Q 41:37]
NB Notice how JIA just ignored all the rebuttals and simply continues to post claptrap.
Originally posted by Robtard
Jews deny Jesus to be God's son and God, Jews deny God's three faces, Jews deny that Jesus died for our sins and only through Jesus can eternal salvation be had... So, do the Jews who worship the God of Abraham worship a different God than Christians?Point being, they ARE the same God, the difference lies in practices, views and ways of worship.
You failed to address the contradictions as usual.
Originally posted by Robtard
Jews deny Jesus to be God's son, Jews deny God's three faces, Jews Deny that Jesus died for our sins... So, do the Jews who worship the God of Abraham worship a different God than Christians?Point being, they ARE the same God, the difference lies in practices, views and ways of worship.
Indeed.
JIA you have failed to address most everything else. posted here, from the criticism of sources onwards.
There is no validity in the claim that Allah is a moon God, or that the Muslims worship a moon God. There is more evidence supporting theories regarding Christian links to solar deities.
Second - there is a good reason why religious scholars classify The Muslim God as The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - because it is. The religion has its roots there. The fact their holy text is different from the Bible is only as relevant as the fact the Jewish religious text is different from the Bible.
Each religion has its own religious texts that justifies why they are correct and the others aren't.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Indeed.JIA you have failed to address most everything else. posted here, from the criticism of sources onwards.
There is no validity in the claim that Allah is a moon God, or that the Muslims worship a moon God. There is more evidence supporting theories regarding Christian links to solar deities.
Second - there is a good reason why religious scholars classify The Muslim God as The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - because it is. The religion has its roots there. The fact their holy text is different from the Bible is only as relevant as the fact the Jewish religious text is different from the Bible.
Each religion has its own religious texts that justifies why they are correct and the others aren't.
Saying that there is no validity (which anyone can do including a smily) and proving that there is no validity (this is where we separate the men from the boys) is a horse of a different color.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You failed to address the contradictions as usual.
No, I admit that there are indeed differences, but you have failed to see past your bias. Just as the Jewish faith has "contradictions" as you put it, it doesn't take away that both Jews and Christians worship the same God, the God of Abraham. The same goes for Muslims, the difference lies in certain views, practices and methods of worship as it does with Jews and Christians. The Qur'an states that Allah (God) spoke to only two men, Moses and then Muhammad, if Islam is not based on the God of Abraham, why is Moses mentioned?
On that note, different Christian denominations have "contradictions" with each other, but they still worship the same God at root.
Originally posted by RobtardI repeat, you have failed to address the contradictions.
No, I admit that there are indeed differences, but you have failed to see past your bias. Just as the Jewish faith has "contradictions" as you put it, it doesn't take away that both Jews and Christians worship the same God, the God of Abraham. The same goes for Muslims, the difference lies in certain views, practices and methods of worship as it does with Jews and Christians. The Qur'an states that Allah (God) spoke to only two men, Moses and then Muhammad, if Islam is not based on the God of Abraham, why is Moses mentioned?On that note, different Christian denominations have "contradictions" with each other, but they still worship the same God at root.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Saying that there is no validity (which anyone can do including a smily) and proving that there is no validity (this is where we separate the men from the boys) is a horse of a different color.
And that is not an argument.
Give me a single reason to think that his claims - which are not accepted by the religious history community - have any validity. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case.
And tell me - is Jack Chick your one stop shop for all your views? You mock me in other threads for demanding a standard of quality from sources, yet everything you use seems to come from a tiny little group orbiting Chick Publications - do you want me to post the question regarding his claims again? Or the reasons why they have been debunked?
It has been said by many why attacks based on the name Allah are not legitimate reasons to strip it of its status as a divinity of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Nor is there any support for the proposition Allah is a moon God.
I can provide some names of Christian scholars who do not accept the claims - would your head explode if I presented a Christian scholar, who hasn't even been accused of academic fraud, who doesn't agree?
Fact remains you are claiming Biblical claims invalidate Allah - include ones erroneously based upon the word "Allah" - which as others have mentioned was even used by Jews because it is the word for God in that language (as opposed to ones derived from the Greek root.)
The Jews don't recognise Jesus as the son of God, and their holy text doesn't acknowledged him, and since they predated both Christianity and Islam maybe Christianity also deserves to be stripped of its status of a religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Bible is not a foundation for your claims, history must be, and history does not support what your are saying. Islam is decended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob just like Christianity and Hebrew are. You can say till the cows come home "buuuuut the Bible says and the Koran doesn't" but that isn't changing anything.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
The Jews don't recognise Jesus as the son of God, and their holy text doesn't acknowledged him, and since they predated both Christianity and Islam maybe Christianity also deserves to be stripped of its status of a religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Interesting, one could make the same accusation based on similar "contradictions" as JIA puts it to separate Christianity from "The God of Abraham".
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThis is actually widely regarded as a mistranslation of the Qu'ran. The actual translation states 'patrons,' not friends.
Sura 5:51
51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
"It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims patronize Muslims and support their own people. This verse is not telling us to be against Jews or Christians, but it is telling us that we should take care of our own people and we must support each other."