Originally posted by TheKahn
My personal criteria is centered around their powers more than anything:
durability- bulletproof at most
strength - class 50 or under
speed - under the speed of sound
other - no high end psi, energy, or matter manipulation powers.
you think - nameless character X - is street level if he's class 50 and can move at almost mach speed?
WTF?
Originally posted by TheKahnUnder this, would Luke Cage be street level.
My personal criteria is centered around their powers more than anything:
durability- bulletproof at most
strength - class 50 or under
speed - under the speed of sound
other - no high end psi, energy, or matter manipulation powers.
Originally posted by TheKahn
To me, he is. 😐
What do you mean "to me"?
He's NOT.
You may think grass is a dull shade of pink, or that 2+2=5, that doesn't make it so.
Luke Cage can lift 20 tons and his skin is as hard as steel. You think he's in the same catagory as Punisher? Nightwing?
How old are you? It may help me to better understand where you're coming from with that kind of statement.
Originally posted by Juk3n
What do you mean "to me"?He's NOT.
You may think grass is a dull shade of pink, or that 2+2=5, that doesn't make it so.
Luke Cage can lift 20 tons and his skin is as hard as steel. You think he's in the same catagory as Punisher? Nightwing?
How old are you? It may help me to better understand where you're coming from with that kind of statement.
The classification of fictional individuals into any systematic arrangement is an inherently subjective exercise. I understand if you disagree with my point of view, and you are certainly entitled to, but anonymously insulting someone over the internet simply because they have a differing opinion speaks more to your lack of character as a person than it does to my intelligence.
Originally posted by TheKahn
The classification of fictional individuals into any systematic arrangement is an inherently subjective exercise. I understand if you disagree with my point of view, and you are certainly entitled to, but anonymously insulting someone over the internet simply because they have a differing opinion speaks more to your lack of character as a person than it does to my intelligence.
So what your saying is, someone can come here claim that in their opinion, silver surfer is approx - ironman level, and it has to be accepted because it's his opinion?
Street level as a catagory has boudaries. Though they may not be absolute, they have a certain uniformity, most would say they highend street stops at around Captain America level. Lifting beyond 4-5-6...tons by itself, is cause to be excluded from the street catagory becuase it's VASTLY superhuman. There is a line..Luke Cage crosses it. The criteria stays the same, and it stands to reason that the high echalon of street level would stop around the top peak humans..Cap/Bats/Elektra/Black Panther/Daredevil.
Opinions be damned, if you think lifting in excess of 20 tonnes and having skin as hard as steel is street level, you're insane.
And thats not an insult, and neither is asking your age, which is still would like to know. And as for KMC's own classification, Luke Cage still doesn't fall into the Street catagory, so what are you basing his placement on?
Originally posted by Juk3n
So what your saying is, someone can come here claim that in their opinion, silver surfer is approx - ironman level, and it has to be accepted because it's his opinion?Street level as a catagory has boudaries. Though they may not be absolute, they have a certain uniformity, most would say they highend street stops at around Captain America level. Lifting beyond 4-5-6...tons by itself, is cause to be excluded from the street catagory becuase it's VASTLY superhuman. There is a line..Luke Cage crosses it. The criteria stays the same, and it stands to reason that the high echalon of street level would stop around the top peak humans..Cap/Bats/Elektra/Black Panther/Daredevil.
Opinions be damned, if you think lifting in excess of 20 tonnes and having skin as hard as steel is street level, you're insane.
Had you said as much in a civil manner to begin with, we could have had a pleasant conversation about this subject. Instead you resorted to insults. Nevertheless, I'll explain my opinion. In my mind there are four very broad categories that I fit most superheroes/villains in if they possess one or more of the following characteristics:
Street level
-low level superhuman characteristics as listed in my first post
City level
-50 to mid-100 ton strength, durability sufficient to withstand up to 100 ton blunt trauma and medium ordinance, low level psi/matter/energy manipulation abilities.
-basically enough offenseive capacity to destroy an entire city in a reasonable amount of time
Planetary level
-elite 100 ton strength, durability sufficient to withstand up to and including nuclear ordinance, medium-to-high psi/energy/matter manipulation manipulation abilities.
-has the potential to destroy an entire planet
Cosmic level
-nearly immeasurable physical strength & durability, planetary-to-universal psi/energy/matter manipulation abilities.
You could divide these categories further into numerous sub-categories, but I prefer broader classes since I see little value in do so. Again, this is just my opinion and others certainly have their own preferred system which is just as valid as my own. 🙂
Thats the point im making, right there...You have your own classifications, unfortunatley when you're on a forum like this there is already a general rule of classification, as shown in the tier system in the comic book thread.
It is a tier system, done by the people (kmc frequenters) for the people, in a sense, it's a system this board uses to quickly place/arrange tiers so that people - like yourself - don't start posting something like..
"Bullseye vs Luke Cage h2h" because according to your own specific placements of chcarcter and abilities, they appear to be in the same league.
Do you see the point im trying to make. The "it's just my opinion" is just a way for the person whos wrong to say, no one can be wrong.
Luke Cage ---- Bullseye, There is a distict difference between the two. So distinct is the difference that no one could put them in the same catagory. The ONLY way you could put them in the same catagory is if the catagories were SO broad, they encompased everyone in the spectrum. So to have Luke Cage and Bullseye in the same catagory you would have Spider-man/Wolverine/Deadpool/Deathstroke/Warpath all as street level. When it simply isnt so.
I guess people do have their own way of categorizing. Now KMC's tiers aren't legit. But I guess Meta makes more sense as we see many of these characters fighting "street wise" if that makes sense. If you stretch the tiers as.
Low: Spiderman.
Mid: Galactus Level
High: Pre-Ret Beyonder/ Lucifer/ Michael
It would be grouped differently, but I guess we have to see eye to eye on the grouping.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterNot thinking too much about it, I simplify this way, mainly going by usual/average power level and feats...
I guess people do have their own way of categorizing. Now KMC's tiers aren't legit. But I guess Meta makes more sense as we see many of these characters fighting "street wise" if that makes sense. If you stretch the tiers as.Low: Spiderman.
Mid: Galactus Level
High: Pre-Ret Beyonder/ Lucifer/ Michael
City Level: eg, Batman, Spiderman.
Global Level: eg, Iron Man, Sub-mariner, Hulk (I'm not that familiar with DC characters who might fall here).
Cosmic Level: eg, Superman, Galactus, pre-ret Beyonder.
Of course, further subdivision would be more accurate
Originally posted by rotiart
everyone is gonna have a difference of opinion...
and at high street... it blurs with low meta..
high meta... with low herald...yah know?...
i just avoid the whole argument. 😄
agreed, but the blurred line is still a line.
Is Cap peak? Is he Superhuman? That is a blurred line.
However
Is Luke Cage street level? Or his his steel hard skin and his ability to lift 20 tonnes , vastly out of the Street Level catagory? uh...is NOT a blurred line, it's a delusion. 🙂
Generally, "street level" characters don't have powers (and when they do, they aren't major abilities/potencies), with opposition, general feats, and specific settings adding to this core precept. Wolverine, even in his most "reasonable" interpretations, should not be considered street-level; Nightwing (despite having numerous off-world adventures and having faced powerful opponents via The Titans) is in the upper ranges of street level; a local psychic with clairvoyant abilities (and the odd telekinetic/telepathic power demonstration) is still street level, while Madame Xanadu (whose shop is two streets down and to the right) really isn't, as she has demonstrated abilities greater than normally encountered on "the street", though that is where you will often find her, as such. So degree of meta(mystic)power is primary, while other factors weigh in for context.