Jean Grey vs. Storm

Originally posted by The Weather God
Same can be said about storm being able to counter pschic attacks. 🙄

The ability to counter psychic attacks? I'm sure you mean resist since Storm has no telepathic ability with which to counter.
In which case:
Like mind control? Yes. Many people can resist it to varying degrees of success.
Like a psiblast? No. Most people can't. They also disable her ability to utilise her powers. And they exact faster than Storm's powers.

Coupled with Jean's telekinesis which also effects faster than Storm's powers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're really not very good at ignoring people.

The ability to counter psychic attacks? I'm sure you mean resist since Storm has no telepathic ability with which to counter.
In which case:
Like mind control? Yes. Many people can resist it to varying degrees of success.
Like a psiblast? No. Most people can't. They also disable her ability to utilise her powers. And they exact faster than Storm's powers.

Coupled with Jean's telekinesis which also effects faster than Storm's powers.

Sorry i just don't take kidly to bull

and

1. Yes storm is able to counter telepathy, that's the reason it comes back painful

2. Prove that storm's power is slower. Show me a scan of jean and storm using their powers at the same time.

3. Yes that scan at the bottom show's that storm can create electrical fields to scramble telepathy or else that ungly alien would have been inside her head to shut her down.

4. There is no hard evidence that jean can defeat storm, for all i know storm has defeated, candra(tk), emma(telepath), and bogan(a powerful telepath). Funny how they diden't manage to fry her brain to death, blow her heart up or shut her mind down. Because... hey! she's still living and breating and ruling over kenya with bp. 🙄

5. Have a nice day i'm going to bed 🙂

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Originally posted by The Weather God
Sorry i just don't take kidly to bull

and

1. Yes storm is able to counter telepathy, that's the reason it comes back painful

2. Prove that storm's power is slower. Show me a scan of jean and storm using their powers at the same time.

3. Yes that scan at the bottom show's that storm can create electrical fields to scramble telepathy or else that ungly alien would have been inside her head to shut her down.

4. There is no hard evidence that jean can defeat storm, for all i know storm has defeated, candra(tk), emma(telepath), and bogan(a powerful telepath). Funny how they diden't manage to fry her brain to death, blow her heart up or shut her mind down. Because... hey! she's still living and breating and ruling over kenya with bp. 🙄

5. Have a nice day i'm going to bed 🙂

Logic. Storm's power effects by manipulation of weather, the latency of producing such effects making her powers slower. Telepathy/telekinesis is thought that is in itself action.
Example: Who can lift an object using their powers faster? Jean Grey or Storm? Jean Grey because for her the mental directly affects the physical, while Storm relies on manipulation of phenomena.

Creating an electrical field of such a magnitude would require a latency as aforementioned. Additionally you still draw no distinction between telepathic manipulation, a surgeon's knife, that can be resisted and a psiblast, that hacks like a machete. Magneto who has control of the electromagnetic forces that make Storm look like a retarded cripple, is affected by psiblasts.

A dead Storm doesn't sell comic books.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
To offer resistance, is not to counter-attack.

Logic. Storm's power effects by manipulation of weather, the latency of producing such effects making her powers slower. Telepathy/telekinesis is thought that is in itself action.
Example: Who can lift an object using their powers faster? Jean Grey or Storm? Jean Grey because for her the mental directly affects the physical, while Storm relies on manipulation of phenomena.

Creating an electrical field of such a magnitude would require a latency as aforementioned. Additionally you still draw no distinction between telepathic manipulation, a surgeon's knife, that can be resisted and a psiblast, that hacks like a machete. Magneto who has control of the electromagnetic forces that make Storm look like a retarded cripple, is affected by psiblasts.

A dead Storm doesn't sell comic books.

excellent point and logic. I don't see how anyone could argue against this.

Originally posted by masterbruce
excellent point and logic. I don't see how anyone could argue against this.

Never mind that Jean's shields have NEVER been breached IIRC, not ever by Magneto. Never mind that Jean has managed to affect Magneto and Juggernaut while they were wearing helmets that make them IMMUNE, nor resistant, but IMMUNE to telepathy. Never mind that Jean has dragged cosmic beings like D'Spayre to the astral plane. Never mind that after saving lives for THREE DAYS with no sleep Jean is still able to contain explosions and fly dozens of people to safety, all without her TK shield being breached and still managing to fly herself. Never mind that Jean has shown the ability to make TK shields around opponents where their powers were not only unable to escape but reflect back on them and cause them harm. Never mind that Jean has turn off minds in an instant in compat. Never mind that her TK is strong enough to keep Asteroid M, the size of a city, aloft. Never mind that Storm has said that Jean has stated that no shields, artificial or natural can withstand her full TP power, and that STORM BELIEVES HER. Never mind that Jean's TK has knocked opponents over 500 miles. Never mind that Jean's TK shield was able to form an inpenetrable barrier between Binary and a star while simultaneously helping Binary fights mind control. Never mind that Jean has created illusions powerful enough to deceive opponents who were able to take over Cable's mind. Never mind that Jean has been able to erect TK shields between the time a bullet leaves a gun and it reaches its target. Never mind that Mr. Sinister backed off from a confrontation with Jean because she proved that she could affect him with her power (despite the fact that he's supposedly immune to the powers of the X-Men.

All that matters is that Storm can summon lightning that is capable of breaching a shield that even Superman and Flash couldn't break during a crossover.
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Originally posted by inamilist
obviously im not going to argue with those types of panel feets....

but doesn't that kind of extend past the control of weather into the control of electromagnetic fields....

i know its a thin line, but really, not at all relevant to her powerset...

still, its obviously the way marvel wants it, even if curious

Storm's powers actually giver her a wide range of manipulation of energy and even molecules

Electrolysis Field

Electromagnetic Field

Ocean Currents

EMP

She in the air naked but can create a detailed two piece fabric outfit with metal ringlets out of thin air. 😕

This goes way past simple weather manipulation. These are some of the reason why I sometime hate debating anything with Storm because I'm not really sure what the hell she can do.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
I will conced that if this were a no powers fight, Ororo would own Jean more than not. That is not the case for this match,

Never mind that Jean's shields have NEVER been breached IIRC, not ever by Magneto.

Never mind that Jean has managed to affect Magneto and Juggernaut while they were wearing helmets that make them IMMUNE, nor resistant, but IMMUNE to telepathy.

Magneto nor juggernaunt have made a lightning sheild storm made in that comic scan. Scan if i'm wrong, If magneto can, then he diden't have the lightning field up to protect himself.

Never mind that Jean has dragged cosmic beings like D'Spayre to the astral plane.

Never mind that after saving lives for THREE DAYS with no sleep Jean is still able to contain explosions and fly dozens of people to safety, all without her TK shield being breached and still managing to fly herself.

Never mind that Jean has shown the ability to make TK shields around opponents where their powers were not only unable to escape but reflect back on them and cause them harm.

Never mind that Jean has turn off minds in an instant in compat.

Never mind that her TK is strong enough to keep Asteroid M, the size of a city, aloft.

Never mind that Storm has said that Jean has stated that no shields, artificial or natural can withstand her full TP power, and that STORM BELIEVES HER.

Never mind that Jean's TK has knocked opponents over 500 miles.

Never mind that Jean's TK shield was able to form an inpenetrable barrier between Binary and a star while simultaneously helping Binary fights mind control.

Never mind that Jean has created illusions powerful enough to deceive opponents who were able to take over Cable's mind.

Never mind that Jean has been able to erect TK shields between the time a bullet leaves a gun and it reaches its target.

Never mind that Mr. Sinister backed off from a confrontation with Jean because she proved that she could affect him with her power (despite the fact that he's supposedly immune to the powers of the X-Men.

All that matters is that Storm can summon lightning that is capable of breaching a shield that even Superman and Flash couldn't break during a crossover.
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Nice try but trying to sit there and say jean grey's past is better then storm is far from the point at hand try again.

To offer resistance, is not to counter-attack.

Logic. Storm's power effects by manipulation of weather, the latency of producing such effects making her powers slower. Telepathy/telekinesis is thought that is in itself action.
Example: Who can lift an object using their powers faster? Jean Grey or Storm? Jean Grey because for her the mental directly affects the physical, while Storm relies on manipulation of phenomena.

Creating an electrical field of such a magnitude would require a latency as aforementioned. Additionally you still draw no distinction between telepathic manipulation, a surgeon's knife, that can be resisted and a psiblast, that hacks like a machete. Magneto who has control of the electromagnetic forces that make Storm look like a retarded cripple, is affected by psiblasts.

A dead Storm doesn't sell comic books.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
[B]Never mind that Jean's shields have NEVER been breached IIRC, not ever by Magneto.

Not sure if that's 100% true but hey whatever.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that Jean has managed to affect Magneto and Juggernaut while they were wearing helmets that make them IMMUNE, nor resistant, but IMMUNE to telepathy.

Not really that impressive seeing that Psylocke has done the same thing.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that Jean has dragged cosmic beings like D'Spayre to the astral plane.

D'Spayre is not really cosmic.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that her TK is strong enough to keep Asteroid M, the size of a city, aloft.

She didn't do that alone, Storm helped.(IIRC)

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that Storm has said that Jean has stated that no shields, artificial or natural can withstand her full TP power, and that STORM BELIEVES HER.

IIRC, this statement was made when Jean had Psylocke's added telepathy and Psylocke had her TK.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that Jean's TK shield was able to form an inpenetrable barrier between Binary and a star while simultaneously helping Binary fights mind control.

Now that was a cool feat, you left out the part where she traveled through hyper-space.(IIRC)

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that Jean has created illusions powerful enough to deceive opponents who were able to take over Cable's mind.

IIRC, again during the Psylocke's telepathy increase

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that Jean has been able to erect TK shields between the time a bullet leaves a gun and it reaches its target.

Storm has blown up a house in the same amount of time

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Never mind that Mr. Sinister backed off from a confrontation with Jean because she proved that she could affect him with her power (despite the fact that he's supposedly immune to the powers of the X-Men.

What issue was that?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame All that matters is that Storm can summon lightning that is capable of breaching a shield that even Superman and Flash couldn't break during a crossover. 🙄

Are you really trying to use a crossover event? 😛

Take note, that I haven't giving my opinion on this fight, most because I'm not sure who would really win. Both of this ladies have very impressive showing. IMHO, Jean's TK gives her a much better chance of winning then her telepathy.

Originally posted by HandOfFate

She in the air naked but can create a detailed two piece fabric outfit with metal ringlets out of thin air. 😕

Wow that's amazing

This goes way past simple weather manipulation. These are some of the reason why I sometime hate debating anything with Storm because I'm not really sure what the hell she can do.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Then why does it come back painful due to her lightning feild?

HOF get these people a scan. Storm's struke people instantly with clear skys, that's how fast her and lightning is. Comparing real science logic is pointless, get me a scan with storm and jean using their powers at the same time and then i'll believe it until then it's pure speculation. Also who can lift heavier object without getting weaker?

No one's proven that the psy attack can pass through storm's lightning field once she haves it up. Don't forget that she already haves a sheilding around her brain, so ad on to top of that and you've got a new sheild that hasen't been breached by a psy attack.

"But it's so logical that a psyblast would beat her it can't be denied" I thought so 🙄

Oh, hooray. "Logic is completely irrelevant. Rational inference is bad." You do realise comics are static images don't you?

Her natural resistances don't protect her from a psiblast. She has no one-sided prep that would protect her from having her brain fried, or her heart and lungs pulled out of her.

Your last comment makes no sense and is irrelevant. You asked why she hasn't been killed in comics. The answer is obvious.

A brief psiblast causes her pain sufficient to debilitate her and prevent her from using her powers, rendering her useless. Both telepathy and telekinesis logically effect faster than Storm's powers manifesting as weather, as explained by myself and numerous others.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Mind Control...not Psi-Attack...

Why are you arguing with what was actually said in the comic?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak the Skrull even talks about wills...Lilandra is mind controlled after that attack....

No, Lilandra was already under mind control. Read the story in Uncanny X-Men 277.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak BTW Banshee resisted as well.

From the pic that I showed you, it only seems that Storm is able to resist the Psi-Attack.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Doesn't count?....It's suppose to be a natural resistance....

It was a natural resistance in that encounter, seeing that Emma's attack didn't knock out Storm. AAMOF, Emma's attack came when Storm wasn't even trying to block her mind from telepathy.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Sorry but you can't pick and choose...it happened Storm has shown no defence against that type of Telepathic attack.

Actually she showed remarkable resistance to an attack that is suppose to take her out in one hit.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak It knocked her out of the sky....and it was for an instant...oh it does count....

Blah..Blah..did it take her out...”NO”. Emma did a combo of mental and physical attacks and neither one took Storm out for more then a couple of seconds. The most you can say is that Strom was momentarily stunned.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Pretty much....Storm didn't go down because it's her book....and because doing so....would mean Bogan won.

Sorry, doesn't make a different. It doesn't matter that you consider this Storm book, it is now an official fight within Marvel.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak You don't get it do you..there is still a lag in her powers....thought may be the same...but the are summoned and connect at different speeds...telepathy is just quicker...

Give me a image/scan showing that, not opinion.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Either way....Emma's not going to be probing...she's going to be frying...

Given that Storm can scramble incoming telepathy do you really think it's going to get to her.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Not in X-4 but she....she made everyones mind ring..and stop fighting...

Actually from the scan you did, it only seem to affect Sue, Ben and Logan.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak They fought telepaths before...but Storm has been taken out by certain telepathic attacks....i.e. Mind Fry....

Her Psi-Protection didn't help her when Emma fried her mind in X-treme.

Apparently it did, seeing that Storm was still able to fight.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak 25 years ago she didn't have any protection against a mind fry...and present day she still hasn't shown any protection against it....

So her resisting telepathic attack, equal no protection

Originally posted by ExodusCloak The point is it doesn't matter...because it hasn't happened it the 616 Universe.
I don't know you're the one who brought it up...

I think I was responding on something else...sorry.🙁

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Umm...of course she doesn't...because she won't have a chance to pick up that pole..not that it would have worked.

She had enough time to pick it up in their last encounter.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Ha...do you even know what Danger was? She was the Danger Room...she knew EVERYTHING about the X-Men....

I know what Danger was but apparently it didn't know everything about the X-Men, seeing that it couldn't find a flaw in Emma, when it had already been shown that she could be shatter.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Storm is quite arrogant if you haven't noticed....and it's occured plenty of times...

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Here's one....Winds have enough force to level mountains? 😕

Uh....Erosion.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Mentally sift throught the many mental signatures....if you don't know where the person is standing....

However if you're in an arena with one other person...you won't need to do that...

If they can see it other it doesn't make an difference. And if they can't see each other....then advantage to the telepath.

Telepathy doesn't give you instanst access to a person brain. Also a psi-bolt has to be generated.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak But that is completely off the point the attack connects and works at the speed of thought.

Speed of thought, plus the time it takes to generate the mental bolt.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
To offer resistance is not to counter attack. If one tries to force through something that offers resistance, it may strain one, it may strain one, one may even be pained. But that is not counter attack, it is defensive.

Oh, hooray. "Logic is completely irrelevant. Rational inference is bad." You do realise comics are static images don't you?

Her natural resistances don't protect her from a psiblast. She has no one-sided prep that would protect her from having her brain fried, or her heart and lungs pulled out of her.

Your last comment makes no sense and is irrelevant. You asked why she hasn't been killed in comics. The answer is obvious.

A brief psiblast causes her pain sufficient to debilitate her and prevent her from using her powers, rendering her useless. Both telepathy and telekinesis logically effect faster than Storm's powers manifesting as weather, as explained by myself and numerous others.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Why are you arguing with what was actually said in the comic?

Do you know what type of psychic attack that was? Do you know why I say it's Mind Control...because he talks about Wills....

Do you know why else...I say this because Xavier has to reverse the effects the War Skrull did to Storm....

Again I'd like to point out Banshee....who is up before Storm....and he wasn't even knocked out by the attack....

No, Lilandra was already under mind control. Read the story in Uncanny X-Men 277.

I just looked at that now...even so....the War Skrull was still talking about Wills...

You have no idea what type of attack that was. He refered to wills...which implies mind control....especially when you consider the fact that Xavier had to reverse it's effects....once the War Skrull was put down...

From the pic that I showed you, it only seems that Storm is able to resist the Psi-Attack.

Really because Banshee is up before her....Storm looks far worse off...then him.

It was a natural resistance in that encounter, seeing that Emma's attack didn't knock out Storm. AAMOF, Emma's attack came when Storm wasn't even trying to block her mind from telepathy.

Huh? 😕

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That's a K.O....

Read the scan they did try to resist. Since it's a natural resistance to DEEPER PROBING it's always on.

Didn't help her here one bit.
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Actually she showed remarkable resistance to an attack that is suppose to take her out in one hit.

You're mistaken...the mind fry lasted an instant...and it knocked Strom out of the sky...she was incoherent for the entire fall.
The mind fry fries synapses..in doing so...it messes with all your brain functions...and then knocks you out...it's like having your brain fried by electricity.

Also remember Emma wasn't out to kill Storm in that fight.

A Mind Shutdown is an instant win.

Blah..Blah..did it take her out...”NO”. Emma did a combo of mental and physical attacks and neither one took Storm out for more then a couple of seconds. The most you can say is that Strom was momentarily stunned.

How long did the fry last? Was Emma's intention to kill Storm no....as for the physical attack....she piledrived Storm into snow....lucky it wasn't concrete right.

Fact is had the mind fry lasted any longer...Storm would be a vegetable.

Sorry, doesn't make a different. It doesn't matter that you consider this Storm book, it is now an official fight within Marvel.

I never said it wasn't....but you have to realize that KMC has rules...characters go all out...there are no plot devices...that inhibit telepaths from going all out.

Give me a image/scan showing that, not opinion.

In this scan...Kitty, Nightcrawler and Wolverine....have enough time to react to Storms lightning bolt. Colossus even throws Wolverine off the ground before her lightning bolt can connect.

Here's another.
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Blink of an eye vs Speed of Thought.

Some telepaths are so well trained that their telepathy works on a subconcious level.

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Given that Storm can scramble incoming telepathy do you really think it's going to get to her.

Firstly Rachel says her telepathy wasn't as effective...it didn't say it made Storm totally immune...because clearly she still got through Storms interference.
Not to mention...the fact that she forcefully controlled Storms powers without Storm wanting her to. Psylocke had to save her.

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Plus you're assuming Storm will have time to use her powers since it's been shown that people can react before she can use her powers.

Secondly they needed Storm alive...so they could use her powers to wreak havok.

Actually from the scan you did, it only seem to affect Sue, Ben and Logan.

No it effected all of them...that's why she referred to all of them....and they all turned to look at her. They all were fighting each other...and she stopped the fighting by making their heads ring.

Apparently it did, seeing that Storm was still able to fight.

Nope...because it knocked Storm out of the sky. And Emma decided to go for the Behaviour Modification rather then the Psi fry due to CIS.

So her resisting telepathic attack, equal no protection

It wasn't a mind fry but a psionic stab..it did it's job...it was meant to stagger her not knock her out.

The fight was between Marrow and Storm....no one else was interferring...the Morlock telepath found the fight to close for comfort. So he decided to stagger Storm with his psionic stab.

Here Storm being mind controlled by Death Birds Psi-Scream....Xavier has to bring her out of it.
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She had enough time to pick it up in their last encounter.

Last time they weren't in a KMC match now where they?
And not that it would work but there are no poles in this fight anyway. All you've got is an empty threat.

I know what Danger was but apparently it didn't know everything about the X-Men, seeing that it couldn't find a flaw in Emma, when it had already been shown that she could be shatter.

Danger had files on everyone...she knew everything about them. Emma was put back molecularly by the Phoenix.

Uh....Erosion.

She said LEVEL the mountain....not erode it slowly.

Telepathy doesn't give you instanst access to a person brain. Also a psi-bolt has to be generated. Speed of thought, plus the time it takes to generate the mental bolt.

It does actually hence the reason why there's no lag when they communicate with one another.
There is no lag when they attack..the mind fry occurs with the thought.

I started to reply to each individual statement, but then I accepted that this is all bordering on the ridiculous. I didn't make that post so that I could hear of random feats of Storm's that have little to nothing at all to do with this battle. That post was so that at least one of the people claiming that Storm would win could give me concrete examples of HOW she would overcome all of the obstacles I detailed.

For example, if Jean can create a TK shield strong enough to cut Binary off from a sun, the source of her power, it stands to reason that she could do the same to Storm. Nothing gets in or out that she doesn't want to. What's so difficult to understand about that? I mentioned the incident with Supes and Flash as an example of the incredible strength of her shields. There's nothing in any canon source that contradicts the strength of Jean's shields (none that I know of anyway). But hey, Supes and Flash together can't bring it down, but dang it, STORM WILL WITH HER LIGHTNING. Am I really one of few that see the holes in this logic?

And I'm freaking tired of hearing about Storm and her damned lightning, and how it can overcome all. Interesting to note that when Storm took Kitty to Emma's school (and there's a scan of the battle where they switched bodies back), Emma spoke, Storm summoned lightning and what not, and STILL woke up in the White Queen's body. Explain that.

Psi bolts have felled her many, many times in the past. Explain how if Magneto, who's screwed with the Earth's magnetic field to specifically inhibit TPs, who's designed a helmet that makes him immune to TP, still couldn't keep Jean Grey out of his head, Storm will. HOW, HOW, HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

There is nothing that Storm can throw at Jean that she can't counter. There is PLENTY that Jean can send Storm's way that she has absolutely no countermeasure for.

first we need to know are both women at the peak of their power.trust me if storm send down an lighting bolt thats powerful jeans sheild will crak .you must remember that her T/K is also controled by her mind thus hiting the shiel more than one time with lighting can cuase pain to jean,plus psionics have to focus alot

Lion's and tiger's and Bear's, oh my!

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
I started to reply to each individual statement, but then I accepted that this is all bordering on the ridiculous. I didn't make that post so that I could hear of random feats of Storm's that have little to nothing at all to do with this battle. That post was so that at least one of the people claiming that Storm would win could give me concrete examples of HOW she would overcome all of the obstacles I detailed.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame For example, if Jean can create a TK shield strong enough to cut Binary off from a sun, the source of her power, it stands to reason that she could do the same to Storm. Nothing gets in or out that she doesn't want to. What's so difficult to understand about that?

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Originally posted by Cosmic Flame I mentioned the incident with Supes and Flash as an example of the incredible strength of her shields. There's nothing in any canon source that contradicts the strength of Jean's shields (none that I know of anyway). But hey, Supes and Flash together can't bring it down, but dang it, STORM WILL WITH HER LIGHTNING. Am I really one of few that see the holes in this logic?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame And I'm freaking tired of hearing about Storm and her damned lightning, and how it can overcome all. Interesting to note that when Storm took Kitty to Emma's school (and there's a scan of the battle where they switched bodies back), Emma spoke, Storm summoned lightning and what not, and STILL woke up in the White Queen's body. Explain that.

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame Psi bolts have felled her many, many times in the past. Explain how if Magneto, who's screwed with the Earth's magnetic field to specifically inhibit TPs, who's designed a helmet that makes him immune to TP, still couldn't keep Jean Grey out of his head, Storm will. HOW, HOW, HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame There is nothing that Storm can throw at Jean that she can't counter. There is PLENTY that Jean can send Storm's way that she has absolutely no countermeasure for.

Jean Grey has never had her telekinesis amplified by Psylocke. She gave her telekinesis to Psylocke and had her telepathy added. You're still maintaining that lightning is going to bring down Jean Grey's forcefields, which have stood up to much worse. The irony of ironies in you telling others they don't know enough about characters.

All of this being moot, because Jean's attack or defense effects faster than anything Storm can manifest.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Jean Grey has never had her telekinesis amplified by Psylocke. She gave her telekinesis to Psylocke and had her telepathy added.

[i]You're still maintaining that lightning is going to bring down Jean Grey's forcefields, which have stood up to much worse. The irony of ironies in you telling others they don't know enough about characters.

[i]All of this being moot, because Jean's attack or defense effects faster than anything Storm can manifest.