Jean Grey vs. Storm

Originally posted by The Weather God
We'll see what HOF haves to say about that.

Please keep in mind that we are talking about jean grey and not the phoenix. Storm's lightning would own her sheild and her focus.

Where's the proof?

Storm's lightning can't even break through Emma's silicon breasts.

"Concept and execution are effectively one." for a telepath/telekinetic. Anything Storm does must manifest itself, whether it be as lightning, wind, rain etc. and it must traverse, it has a latency after the thought.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
We'll see what HoF has to say about what? Your lack of knowledge of both Jean Grey and Psylocke?

Storm's lightning can't even break through Emma's silicon breasts.

"Concept and execution are effectively one." for a telepath/telekinetic. Anything Storm does must manifest itself, whether it be as lightning, wind, rain etc. and it must traverse, it has a latency after the thought.

No once storm's thought is on a lightning bolt, it will be sitting on the ground at that moment, and tell me have you seen a lightning bolt cast out of the sky or when you see it, it's already connected to the ground? When jean think's of her power it will enter a mind instantly, as when storm thinks of a lightning bolt it will be at it's target instantly.

I also do believe that a powerful 100,000,000 in volts lightning bolt would get her out or powerful aipressure winds.

A lightning bolt must manifest and traverse. Latency.

Originally posted by The Weather God
No once storm's thought is on a lightning bolt, it will be sitting on the ground at that moment, and tell me have you seen a lightning bolt cast out of the sky or when you see it, it's already connected to the ground? When jean think's of her power it will enter a mind instantly, as when storm thinks of a lightning bolt it will be at it's target instantly.

I also do believe that a powerful 100,000,000 in volts lightning bolt would get her out or powerful aipressure winds.

Plus a lightning bolt travels at 1/3 of the speed of light.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A lightning bolt must manifest and traverse. Latency.

Originally posted by bigbran
When has she ever not made a big moment out of making a lightning bolt?
Your saying things that have never happened.

Plus a lightning bolt travels at 1/3 of the speed of light.

She's done it before, but if you're basing your facts off of the big slow movie storm then your way off because it doesn't take storm that long at all to strike people with lightning if she wanted. Lightning travels at different rates and at the speed of light.

A lightning bolt must manifest and traverse. Latency.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
We'll see what HoF has to say about what? Your lack of knowledge of both Jean Grey and Psylocke?

Storm's lightning can't even break through Emma's silicon breasts.

"Concept and execution are effectively one." for a telepath/telekinetic. Anything Storm does must manifest itself, whether it be as lightning, wind, rain etc. and it must traverse, it has a latency after the thought.

Yep Jean got a telepathy boost not a TK one.

BTW Nice scan X.

Here are two scans where people react before Storms lightning can connect.

http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen16002ir6.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4949/xmen198311uncannyxmen17cg2.jpg

And then here's the narrative stating that she summons lightning in the blink of an eye. It must be a very slow blink since people have had the chance to react to it on panel. And speed of thought is far faster then the speed of a blink of an eye.

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxman308jq3.jpg

And when you take into account the fact that...certain telepaths can use their powers on a subconscious level...it just makes things even harder for Storm.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9724/xm16802jq6.jpg

As for the lightning topic. Lightning does not travel at the speed of light. It's plasma and is far slower then the speed of light.

Plus Storm has to think to use her powers as shown on panel....hence the reason why people have reacted to it before.
And lastly a bloodlusted Storms lightning can't even take out Emma...what chance does it have against Jeans TK shields.

Here's more telepathy working on Storm.
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4913/uncannyxmen27816fu9.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7966/uncannyxmen27817yv9.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
When has she ever not made a big moment out of making a lightning bolt?
Your saying things that have never happened.

Plus a lightning bolt travels at 1/3 of the speed of light.

Exactly people have even reacted to it on panel.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
We'll see what HoF has to say about what? Your lack of knowledge of both Jean Grey and Psylocke?

Storm's lightning can't even break through Emma's silicon breasts.

"Concept and execution are effectively one." for a telepath/telekinetic. Anything Storm does must manifest itself, whether it be as lightning, wind, rain etc. and it must traverse, it has a latency after the thought.

Well, thank you X. I thought you where working against me but now I see your helping me out. 😛

Why else would you scan a pic talking about telekinesis moving at the speed of light, when you know that Storm is also a telekinetic. 😉

Also you should keep in mind it doesn't say telepathy and I'm not aruging about telekinesis.

As I pointed out earlier, it seem that Storm's power are always on.

They even work on a sub-conscious level.

And it looks like Storm can create weather effect in a split-second.🙂

Hmmmm....?

Storm is only a telekinetic in so much as she manipulates weather patterns with her mind. Anything Storm attempts has a latency due to the manipulation, manifestation and the propogation, which does not occur at light speed.

True telekinetics manipulate matter and/or energy the effects manifesting directly on the intended matter and/or energy with no latency.

Thought does not occur at the speed of light. However it's indicated it does propogate in the MU at c according to narration. For telepaths and telekinetics thought is action.

A split secound is pretty slow compared to ligh speed

Originally posted by HandOfFate
As I pointed out earlier, it seem that Storm's power are always on.

They even work on a sub-conscious level.

And it looks like Storm can create weather effect in a split-second.🙂

Hmmmm....?

X already answered the first part of your post.

As shown on panel she still needs to manipulate weather patterns in order to summon a lightning bolt....and this all occurs in a blink of an eye.
Yes a blink of an eye does occur in a split second....however as shown on panel....people have reacted to her lightning before it could connect.

And a blink of an eye is way slower then the speed of thought.

More mindrape:

http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14xj3.jpg

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
A split secound is pretty slow compared to ligh speed

In comparsion to what? 😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm is only a telekinetic in so much as she manipulates weather patterns with her mind. Anything Storm attempts has a latency due to the manipulation, manifestation and the propogation, which does not occur at light speed.

She able to create winds in a split-second. How much faster do you need it to be?

Storm thinks it and it happens a split second later.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
True telekinetics manipulate matter and/or energy the effects manifesting directly on the intended matter and/or energy with no latency.

Uh...that's what Storm does. She has a specialized form of telekinesis.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Thought does not occur at the speed of light. However it's indicated it does propogate in the MU at c according to narration. For telepaths and telekinetics thought is action.

You should be a politician, the way you spin words.🙂

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
X already answered the first part of your post.

No he/she didn't.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
As shown on panel she still needs to manipulate weather patterns in order to summon a lightning bolt....and this all occurs in a blink of an eye.

A blink of an eye does not equal a split-second, which the scan says.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yes a blink of an eye does occur in a split second....however as shown on panel....people have reacted to her lightning before it could connect..

Actually, people have reacted to Storm's bio-electric shock which she can produces through her body or the electrical energy she makes around her hands, that varies in intensity. AAMOF, Storm has rarely stroke anything with a real lightning bolt from the sky.

Think about it, a real lightning bolt comes from the sky and is so fast that before you can even realize that you been stroke it's already gone.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
And a blink of an eye is way slower then the speed of thought..

Hmmm...I don't see a comparsion to a blink of a eye but I do see a statement about creating something in a slipt-second.😉

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
More mindrape:

http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14xj3.jpg

To bad Emma not on Onslaught's level

Originally posted by HandOfFate
She able to create winds in a split-second.

Whereas telekinesis and telepathy do. It's thought and action in unison.

All of Storm's powers are resultant from processes that lag.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
A blink of an eye does not equal a split-second, which the scan says.

Oh it does....

http://www.answers.com/split+second&r=67

"Meaning #1: a very short time (as the time it takes to blink once)"

Actually, people have reacted to Storm's bio-electric shock which she can produces through her body or the electrical energy she makes around her hands, that varies in intensity. AAMOF, Storm has rarely stroke anything with a real lightning bolt from the sky.

Think about it, a real lightning bolt comes from the sky and is so fast that before you can even realize that you been stroke it's already gone.

It's not only her lightning it's all her powers....her flight and flash freeze they all work at the blink of an eye.

She has to think and manipulate weather patterns to summon her lightning....her powers work at the blink of an eye. It takes a blink of an eye to manipulate weather patterns.

Hmmm...I don't see a comparsion to a blink of a eye but I do see a statement about creating something in a slipt-second.😉

See above....and by the way...that's not Storm that's EMMA's telepathically trained MIND in Storms body.

To bad Emma not on Onsulaght's level

So her natural electrical field that resists DEEPER PROBING didn't scramble his Psionic Energy then huh? Check out the other scans I posted above...and the on the page before this.

No he/she didn't.

And yeah he did....

A.) She's not a Telekinetic ...she manipulates weather patterns and her powers have a lag because of this.

B.) A Blink of an eye faster.

C.) She doesn't have telekinesis. Her powers are similar to telekinesis...but take MUCH longer to execute.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[B]How fast does wind travel? Not lightspeed. How fast does rain fall? Not lightspeed. How fast does lightning move? Not lightspeed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot Whereas telekinesis and telepathy do. It's thought and action in unison.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot All of Storm's powers are resultant from processes that lag.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Oh it does....

http://www.answers.com/split+second&r=67

"Meaning #1: a very short time (as the time it takes to blink once)"

Originally posted by ExodusCloak And yeah he did....

A.) She's not a Telekinetic ...she manipulates weather patterns and her powers have a lag because of this.

B.) A Blink of an eye faster.

C.) She doesn't have telekinesis. Her powers are similar to telekinesis...but take MUCH longer to execute.

Read the science of x-men, storm has deep root telekinesis that manipulates the weather, and that was only her wind manipulation which moves at a much slower rate then her real lightning, not the bio ones.

You make no sense whatsoever. In Magneto vs Storm. Magneto can easily render Storm... dead. By giving her a coronary or a stroke. Conversely in this thread, Jean Grey whose powers effect faster and have more diverse application than both of them can't do the same. Gibberish.

Edit: TV series are not canon.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You make no sense whatsoever. In Magneto vs Storm. Magneto can easily render Storm... dead. By giving her a coronary or a stroke. Conversely in this thread, Jean Grey whose powers effect faster and have more diverse application than both of them can't do the same. Gibberish.

Edit: TV series are not canon.

But their basic powers were taken from the original comic books which one of the producers stated, and yes storm would have a chance against magneto if he diden't have the iron rich stop move. All storm would have to do is freeze him to death. Also why are you bringing this over from the magneto thread? That makes no sense.

Originally posted by The Weather God
[B]That was just her wind manipulation moving that fast, lightning will move at a much faster rate

Prove it...she manipulates weather patterns for both. I even showed a scan above where people react to the discharge of her electric shock.
You're also going to have prove that the one from the sky is faster then her bioelectric shock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia3qbzYIY6s
benign mean's clear skys, she can summon lightning from a clear sky , that's how fast her power works.

You want to use the television series? That's Non-Canon...and even then she still some time to do it.

Read the science of x-men, storm has deep root telekinesis that manipulates the weather, and that was only her wind manipulation which moves at a much slower rate then her real lightning, not the bio ones.

Nope...she has no telekinesis. She manipulates the same weather patterns to conjure a lightning bolt as she would with wind. She has to think to do this.

No telekinesis:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8417/untitledkq3.th.jpg
TK Blocking Storms lightning.
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8103/axmb119rq3.th.jpg

Just realized how small those images where.

No Telekinesis:
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledkq3.jpg

TK blocking Lightning:
http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=axmb119rq3.jpg

Jeans TK only makes this fight even more lopsided.