Jean Grey vs. Storm

Started by The Weather God50 pages

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Prove it...she manipulates weather patterns for both. I even showed a scan above where people react to the discharge of her electric shock.
You're also going to have prove that the one from the sky is faster then her bioelectric shock.

Those were her bio electric bolts not her real lightning and she was using hand signals so anyone smart enough wold know to move the hell out of the way when she throws her hands toward them

Anyway this still says a blink of an eye but it also says before anyone could react.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak You want to use the television series? That's Non-Canon...and even then she still some time to do it.

I agree but the profile with the professor talking said manifest blizzerds instantly, they were still using they basic powers from the comic book but oh well just toss that out the window. 😉

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Nope...she has no telekinesis. She manipulates the same weather patterns to conjure a lightning bolt as she would with wind. She has to think to do this.

No telekinesis:
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TK Blocking Storms lightning.
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From the book called science of the x-men


Storm's weather-manipulating ability is psionic, and with it she can cause precipitation of moisture in any form, raise or lower temperature and humidity, generate storms of considerable intensity, and create electrical atmospheric phenomena. She can also discharge lightning from her bare hands.

While she can manipulate weather patterns, she can't completely alter them, nor she can create atmospheric conditions that can't exist naturally. For example, she can't lower temperatures as far as absolute zero or raise them to solar intensities.

The weather in Storm's inmediate vicinity changes with her emotions. Dark clouds can gather overhead if she's unhappy. (Remember those lightning bolts!) Storm makes every effort to keep her emotions under control, but she's not always successful.

Her powers can be very specifically localized, to the point where she can create a mini-storm to water a potted plant. In addition, she can create atmospheric effects in a beam-like path radiating from her hand. Her control over the atmosphere is so specific and tightly focused that while creating storms over a large region she can select smaller areas within the storm radius and shield them from her own cyclones.

The mutant X-genes that form the basis of all mutants with super powers appears heavily influenced by emotional and/or psychological state of each mutant. Storm was claustrophobic and living in a rural, natural setting where she felt safe for the first time since early childhood. The open sky and the forces of nature were a psychological focal point for her. It might be more than a coincidence that when her powers manifested, they too focused on the open sky and natural forces. It might also be noted that circumstantial evidence suggests that the raw material available to young mutants seems to affect the nature of their powers. Storm didn't have metal around her, as Magneto, Jean Grey and Professor X did. She had a natural setting, and that became the focus of her power.

For Storm to affect weather and cause a wide variety of meteorological phenomena, she must be able to affect air movement, humidity, particulate matter in the atmosphere, and many other factors. One tool at her disposal is the control of wind.

Storm utilizes the wind to carry herself aloft in a form of flight that resembles gliding. She has also used wind to deflect physical attacks. When she's aloft, Storm can literally travel as fast as the wind, and has reached spedds up to 300 miles per hour. Her body automatically adjusts itself to the surrounding temperature although there's a limit to the stress her body can withstand from such changes.

Meteorological changes

Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds. Her psionic abilities allow her to telekinetically move masses of air and moisture. Telekinetic manipulation of atoms and molecules could also heat and electrically charge these masses. Storm's application of psionic forces is different than those of other mutants and requires a specialized understanding of how weather works. For example, Professor Xavier and Jean Grey probably couldn't create a thunderstorm. Though they have strong psionic abilities, they wouldn't know what they needed to apply their powers to. Storm's understanding of the weather seems to be instinctive. Perhaps her unconscious telekinetic probing of meteorological forces has given her this understanding. Or perhaps this information was hard-wired into her genes.

Meteorology

Meteorology is the study of weather. Weather is extremely complex and caused by many factors. As with most sciences, there are a lot of conflicting theories. Some meteorologists say that the movement of the air is the most important factor to consider. Others say that air movement is caused by uneven solar heating, and that that is the main event. Some of the other factors to consider are humidity, precipitation, particulate matter, electrical changes, and cloud cover.

For Storm to affect weather and cause a wide variety of meteorological phenomena, she must be able to affect many or all of these factors. One tool at her disposal is control of wind.

The atmosphere is in constant motion. When air sinks, we have good clear weather and the ai is stable. When air rises, is is unstable and cloudy and murky weather. By generating heat or cold, Storm could cause air to rise or fall. This might imply that she can create cold as Iceman does, which further implies a psionic origin to his power.

Air blows in response to differences in atmospheric pressure and that once air begins to move, the Coriolis force, a physical phenomenon, tends to bend it to the right of its intended path in the Northern Hemisphere and to the left in the Southern Hemisphere.

Wind motions can have a variety of effects on the environment. Wind can make waves in the ocean, which sounds innocent enough, but storm waves can be as tall as buildings and have the force of a large bomb. Wind can also move soil and shaping sand dunes, which, at its most extreme, can turn farmland into a dessert in a few years.

Much weather phenomena is produced at frontal boundaries between air masses. Thunderstorms, tornadoes, and hurricanes are the most extreme examples of this.

All these atmoshperic factors would probably not change, if it weren't for some very basic physical relationships between the Earth and the Sun. These relationships cause uneven heating of the Earth's surface. The Sun doesn't directly heat the air. The atmosphere is actually heated by the Earth's surface.

Weather changes occur daily. The difference in day-and-night-time temperatures is a factor. Weather also changes seasonally because the Earth tilts when it revolves around the sun so that different parts of the globe are always being heated at different times.

Even without considering the axial tilt, the amount of radiation that is absorbed by the Earth is affected by several factors. The Sun's radiation hits the spherical Earth at different places in different angles. The sun is closest at the equator and there the planet gets the full solar dose. North and south of the equator, the surface of the planet curves away from the Sun and things get cooler.

The planet's rotation around the Sun is another factor. The orbit of Earth is not a perfect circle and the speed of our path around the Sun is not always exactly the same. Gravitational pull from other planets in the solar system affects our orbit, even if only slightly.

Heated air expands and cold air contracts. The density of the air increases the force it has to press down on the Earth's surface. This force is measured as air pressure, which has an average of 15 pounds per square inch (psi). Cold air has high pressure (because the air molecules are closer together, making the air heavier) and warm air has low pressure (because the air molecules are farther apart, making the air lighter).

Density and temperature of air generally lessen with height, so the higher you are physically, the less air pressure there will be. However, even at the highest reaches of the atmosphere, in the exosphere, where there is hardly any air, let alone air pressure, there are phenomena associated with the weather.

Not only do air movement and solar heat affect weather but also various gases in the air, which are part of natural chemical and organic cycles. Atmospheric moisture is also a factor. The transformation of water from the gaseous to the liquid or solid state is an important source of energy in many meteorological processes. Clouds can absorb huge amounts of heat and so they are a big factor as well.

Changing any one of the many factors that cause weather can create meteorological events. "Seeding" clouds with particulate matter can force them to condense their moisture into rain. Storm might telekinetically move dust into a cloud formation and trigger rainfall.

Like we said before, much weather phenomena is produced at frontal boundaries between air masses, like hurricanes.

Some meteorologists have considered destroying hurricanes with a drastic change in internal pressure, dropping bombs into the "eyes", or centers of the hurricanes. Storm could use the same technique by creating pressure or removing it via telekinetic manipulation of air masses.

Storm moves masses of dust by means of telekinesis, "seeding" clouds and triggering rainfall. It's reasonable to assume that she not only alters the kinetic power of the winds and temperature of the air and water, but affects the density of air layers and the electrical charge of cloud masses as well.
This is from the book "The Science of the X-Men". It's a great book that X-Plains how mutant powers work. Go buy it!!

It clearly say's storm haves deep root telekinesis. It would have to be seeing that she manipulates weather on that scale.

Originally posted by The Weather God
From the book called science of the x-men

It clearly say's storm haves deep root telekinesis. It would have to be seeing that she manipulates weather on that scale.

Let it go, what you see now are people trying to counter a statement written inside an official document/comic. It is now pointless to keep arguing with them about that subject because we have something proving them wrong.

Give them time their minds will accept it one day. 😉

So how has your day been going?🙂

Now ExodusCloak and X, we can finally talk about Jean Vs Storm.

Shucks, this debate is still going on?

ask your self true believer. Can brainwaves/psionic energy retain integrity through a Heightened Electromagnetic field?

now consider This.
does Storm have the experience, skill/tecnique, power source and intelligence to replicate the same conditions generated artificially by Iron-Man/ Shield/ Reed Richards psi shields

Ripped Grey Jeans

Originally posted by The Weather God
Those were her bio electric bolts not her real lightning and she was using hand signals so anyone smart enough wold know to move the hell out of the way when she throws her hands toward them

Anyway this still says a blink of an eye but it also says before anyone could react.

It says in a blink of an eye...before anyone present can react. Thanks for finding me another scan btw.

Meteorological changes

Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds. Her psionic abilities allow her to telekinetically move masses of air and moisture. Telekinetic manipulation of atoms and molecules could also heat and electrically charge these masses. Storm's application of psionic forces is different than those of other mutants and requires a specialized understanding of how weather works. For example, Professor Xavier and Jean Grey probably couldn't create a thunderstorm. Though they have strong psionic abilities, they wouldn't know what they needed to apply their powers to. Storm's understanding of the weather seems to be instinctive. Perhaps her unconscious telekinetic probing of meteorological forces has given her this understanding. Or perhaps this information was hard-wired into her genes.

As for this....I'll give you the "TK" thing even though I would call it Atmokinesis....however....since we're going by your book rather then scans(My scan that said she didn't have TK)...and since Storms "TK" is special...I'd like to point something out.

In that same passage it says:

Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds

So I guess...by your book it takes even longer then a blink of an eye to manipulate weather patterns. 😕

Originally posted by HandOfFate
[B]Let it go, what you see now are people trying to counter a statement written inside an official document/comic. It is now pointless to keep arguing with them about that subject because we have something proving them wrong.

Give them time their minds will accept it one day. 😉

So how has your day been going?🙂

Now ExodusCloak and X, we can finally talk about Jean Vs Storm.

According to his/her book:

"Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds"

So yeah Jean still wins since for her attacks thought and action are in unison.

Originally posted by don't shiv
Shucks, this debate is still going on?

ask your self true believer. Can brainwaves/psionic energy retain integrity through a Heightened Electromagnetic field?

now consider This.
does Storm have the experience, skill/tecnique, power source and intelligence to replicate the same conditions generated artificially by Iron-Man/ Shield/ Reed Richards psi shields

Ripped Grey Jeans

Yeah considering it's happened to Magneto before(Who also happens to be a telepath).

And IronMans telepathic shielding has been bipassed by Emma in Civil War #3. (His suit is built into him.)

And she also biapassed O.N.E's telepathic blockers in Deadly Genesis #2.

Also remember that scan with Rachel and Storm..the one with the EM interference where Rachel said "Her telepathy isn't as effective"...well she still manages to mind rape Storm even with the interference.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So I guess...by your book it takes even longer then a blink of an eye to manipulate weather patterns. 😕

You’re stretching here. That could be 2 seconds at the most and in which time she could covers a 6 miles area with a full fledge storm. We really don’t know how much area she could cover if given time.😉

As we can see with my scan she can produce smaller weather affects like a lightning bolt or wind gust in a split-second.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
According to his/her book:

"Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds"

So yeah Jean still wins since for her attacks thought and action are in unison.

Actually is more of a draw, both attacks happen before either one can react with a defense. So you have Storm on the ground, unconscious, maybe dead and on the other side of the battlefield you have Jean or Emma on the ground, unconscious, maybe dead and slightly toasty.

I would even meet you half way here and say both powers strike almost instantly. Meaning a double K.O. 🙁

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
well she still manages to mind rape Storm even with the interference.

Only after Storm had calmed herself down.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
[B]You’re stretching here. That could be 2 seconds at the most and in which time she could covers a 6 miles area with a full fledge storm. we really don’t know.😉

As we can see with my scan she can produce smaller weather affects like a lightning bolt or wind gust in a split-second.

Now who's trying to spin? Its says she can achieve meterogical effects within seconds...why would the range matter...seeing how her powers like you said are some what "telekinetic"(Atmokinetic)...from WG's book it says she can achieve meterogical effects within seconds. Which means that if we go by that official book...then her powers take a few seconds to summon meterogical effects.

As for your scan that's Emma's mind not Storms in any event it's still a lag.

ctually is more of a draw, both attacks happen before either one can react with a defense. So you have Storm on the ground, unconscious, maybe dead and on the other side of the battlefield you have Jean or Emma on the ground, unconscious, maybe dead and slightly toasty.

I would even meet you half way here and say both powers strike almost instantly. Meaning a double K.O. 🙁

Not true...because both attacks don't occur at the same time...Thought and Action are in Unison for Jean and Emma.

For Storm....everything you, I, X and WG have shown show that there's a lag within her powers.

Blink of an eye, split second, seconds...etc all lags.

Even WG's manual says she achieves meterogical effects within seconds.

Only after Storm had calmed herself down.

Not true....Rachel entered her mind first, then used Storms beliefs against her...then Storm calmed down.

Storm didn't have metal around her, as Magneto, Jean Grey and Professor X did. She had a natural setting, and that became the focus of her power....For example, Professor Xavier and Jean Grey probably couldn't create a thunderstorm.

is it just me or do those lines seem to imply that Proffesor X has telekinises, which the 616 version doesnt have

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Now who's trying to spin? Its says she can achieve meterogical effects within seconds...why would the range matter...seeing how her powers like you said are some what "telekinetic"(Atmokinetic)...from WG's book it says she can achieve meterogical effects within seconds. Which means that if we go by that official book...then her powers take a few seconds to summon meterogical effects.

Sigh...you can't come up with a reasonable response, so you start grasping at straws with a statement made in a book that I’m not even 100% sure is officially sponsored by Marvel.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
As for your scan that's Emma's mind not Storms in any event it's still a lag.

Half a second is a lag? 🙄

It doesn't make a different if Emma in Storm’s body, seeing that where going by response time. Emma with nothing but Storm's power is able to produce wind in half a second. That give actual evidenced on how fast Storm can produce small scale weather affects. Let me guess in your mind, Storm’s mutant abilities are increased 10 factors because Emma (without her telepathy) is in her body. 🙄

Also keep in mind that Storm is in Emma's body and she had no problem using her abilities. So does that mean that Storm get a thought increase because she in Emma’s body?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
ot true...because both attacks don't occur at the same time...Thought and Action are in Unison for Jean and Emma.

Actually that is only a proven statement when we’re talking about telekinesis. The scan didn’t say anything about telepathy.😛

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
For Storm....everything you, I, X and WG have shown show that there's a lag within her powers.

Blink of an eye, split second, seconds...etc all lags.

So how many straws do you have in your hand now?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Even WG's manual says she achieves meterogical effects within seconds.

Sigh…again. I gave you an official statement from an issue of Uncanny X-Men and you can’t accept that you’re wrong. She can create weather affects in half a second, end of subject matter.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not true....Rachel entered her mind first, then used Storms beliefs against her...then Storm calmed down.

So not a mind rape…huh?

"Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds"

That still doesn't mean it takes her more then a half second to create a lighgtning bolt, it says she produces it in seconds meaning it takes her little time at all to produce meteorological effects, you misinterpreted it as it takes her that long to create it.

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Sigh...you can't come up with a reasonable response, so you start grasping at straws with a statement made in a book that I’m not even 100% sure is officially sponsored by Marvel.

So then Storm is not an actual telekinetic then? Do we pick and choose which part of the article we want? And then spin the stuff we don't like?

Half a second is a lag? 🙄

Half a second is a lot when it comes to a quick draw....that half a second can cost Storm her neck.

It doesn't make a different if Emma in Storm’s body, seeing that where going by response time. Emma with nothing but Storm's power is able to produce wind in half a second. That give actual evidenced on how fast Storm can produce small scale weather affects. Let me guess in your mind, Storm’s mutant abilities are increased 10 factors because Emma (without her telepathy) is in her body. 🙄

Emma's telepathically trained mind in Storms body. So it's Emma that did that not Storm. You're can only assume that Storm is able to do that. BTW Still a lag.

Also keep in mind that Storm is in Emma's body and she had no problem using her abilities. So does that mean that Storm get a thought increase because she in Emma’s body?

Nope....but telepathy is all about thought....a trained telepath would obviously be so use to it that they have heightened reactions. In any event that's Emma doing that little feat...not Storm. Different minds...and still a lag.

Actually that is only a proven statement when we’re talking about telekinesis. The scan didn’t say anything about telepathy.😛

You do know what telepathy means right?....Speed of thought...and all...thought and action are the same aswell. There's no lag in telepathy...hence the reason why there's no lag when they communicate via it.

So how many straws do you have in your hand now?

None I'm just re-stating what that book states.

Sigh…again. I gave you an official statement from an issue of Uncanny X-Men and you can’t accept that you’re wrong. She can create weather affects in half a second, end of subject matter.

I gave you an official statement where Storm says she's not telekinetic...did that stop you from spraying that Science of the X-Men everywhere?
So which is it..comic evidence or that book?

So not a mind rape…huh?

She got passed Storms electrical interference and shut her down by using Storms own emotions against her. Then after that she uses Storms powers against her will. Yeah that's mind rape.

Originally posted by The Weather God
That still doesn't mean it takes her more then a half second to create a lighgtning bolt, it says she produces it in seconds meaning it takes her little time at all to produce meteorological effects, you misinterpreted it as it takes her that long to create it.

It means she takes more then 1 second....because it says seconds(Plural).

I wouldn't call 1 second long....but it's very slow compared to Jeans attacks.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I gave you an official statement where Storm says she's not telekinetic...did that stop you from spraying that Science of the X-Men everywhere?
So which is it..comic evidence or that book?

Umm that was long before they even had a scientific view of the x-men.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak It means she takes more then 1 second....because it says seconds(Plural).

The book may have contradicted itself at that point(seeing that HOF provided a scan producing it much faster), but the telekinesis makes perfect comen sense that she would have to telekenetically alter the molecules to create a weather affect. How else would she manipulate the weather? Magic? 🙄

Originally posted by The Weather God
Umm that was long before they even had a scientific view of the x-men.

The book may have contradicted itself at that point, but the telekinesis makes perfect comen sense that she would have to telekenetically alter the molecules to create a weather affect. How else would she manipulate the weather? Magic. 🙄

I'm not doubting the credibility of the book...all I'm saying is we can't pick and choose which parts of that article we want.

So if we take that part to be true...that she has a special type of telekinesis(Atmokinesis)

Then why can't we also take this part to be true?

"Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds"

That very same passage states this. And if we go by your logic...

Umm that was long before they even had a scientific view of the x-men.

Then all those split-second, blink of an eye feats...are dud right?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So then Storm is not an actual telekinetic then? Do we pick and choose which part of the article we want? And then spin the stuff we don't like?

Hey that's what you been doing. 😉

Here the thing, Marvel has always said that Storm manipulates the weather psionically. So in Marvel's own words...

Originally posted by Marvel
Psionic: An adjective referring to psions (a theoretical particle of energy produced by the mind that is involved in the psi powers.), to the powers or energies based on psions (e.g., psionic powers, psionic energy), or to mechanical means to stimulate the natural psi powers. Abbreviated to psi only when describing the powers.

Storm can also be consider a psi

Originally posted by Marvel
psi: (Short for psionic or psychic.) The term for any and all extra-sensory and extra-physical powers stemming from the mind, specifically astral projection, clairvoyance, levitation, precognition, psychokinesis, telepathy, and teleportation.

As far as I know and according to Marvel there is only one ways to manipulate matter with psionic energy (maybe two depending on how you look at it.)

Originally posted by Marvel
psycho kinesis: The psi ability to move or manipulate physical matter without physically touching it. The word is synonymous with telekinesis, which has the added connotation of greater distance being involved between the matter being manipulated and the manipulator.

Or

Originally posted by Marvel
telekinesis: The psi ability to move or manipulate physical matter without physically touching it, especially over long distances.

Now if you want to say that Storm has a specialized form of telekinesis I could understand that. Her powers pretty much work on the same basic level of Gypsy Moth and other mutant elementals like Magma, Pyro, Iceman (I think), Hurricane and many others.

(*Old School information* If you look at any of the old Marvel collector cards, you will see that Storm’s power are categorized under mental abilities as a 6, making her a master psi on the level of Jean and Prof X🙂)

anyway.... Exdous how long are you going around on this circle? 🙄

Originally posted by HandOfFate
Hey that's what you been doing. 😉

Here the thing, Marvel has always said that Storm manipulates the weather psionically. So in Marvel's own words...

[quote=Marvel][B]Psionic: An adjective referring to psions (a theoretical particle of energy produced by the mind that is involved in the psi powers.), to the powers or energies based on psions (e.g., psionic powers, psionic energy), or to mechanical means to stimulate the natural psi powers. Abbreviated to psi only when describing the powers.

Storm can also be consider a psi

Originally posted by Marvel
psi: (Short for psionic or psychic.) The term for any and all extrasensory and extraphysical powers stemming from the mind, specifically astral projection, clairvoyance, levitation, precognition, psycho kinesis, telepathy, and teleportation.

As far as I know and according to Marvel there is only one ways to manipulate matter with psionic energy (maybe two depending on how you look at it.)

Originally posted by Marvel
psycho kinesis: The psi ability to move or manipulate physical matter without physically touching it. The word is synonymous with telekinesis, which has the added connotation of greater distance being involved between the matter being manipulated and the manipulator.

Or

Originally posted by Marvel
telekinesis: The psi ability to move or manipulate physical matter without physically touching it, especially over long distances.

Now if you want to say that Storm has a specialized form of telekinesis I could understand that. Her powers pretty much work on the same basic level of Gypsy Moth and other mutant elementals like Magma, Pyro, Iceman (I think), Hurricane and many others.

(*Old School information* If you look at any of the old Marvel collector cards, you will see that Storm’s power are categorized under mental abilities as a 6, making her a master psi on the level of Jean and Prof X🙂)

Sigh....so Exdous how long are you going around in this circle? 🙄 [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm not...we both already agree that she does have a specialized form of telekinesis but that's where it ends....it's NOT true telekinesis because it's linked to the Atmosphere and I posted a scan where she says she doesn't have telekinesis. There is a lag in her powers.(Which has been established from plenty of scans and WG's book)

As for the card thing...it's already been established that she's psionic. Difference here is that her powers lag. Again even WG's article and plenty of scans state this.

Now you used part of that article...to prove a point...I'm doing the same...except...you apparently don't agree with what that official article states.

"Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds"

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I'm not doubting the credibility of the book...all I'm saying is we can't pick and choose which parts of that article we want.

So if we take that part to be true...that she has a special type of telekinesis(Atmokinesis)

Then why can't we also take this part to be true?

Because HOF provided a scan of her calling the weather in a half second

Originally posted by ExodusCloak then all those split-second, blink of an eye feats...are dud right?

No that can still be true your just trying to find a way out of it. Obvioulsy she haves to telekenetically do this because the x-men universe doesen't have magic. Even if she wasen't telekenetic jean is still fried in a half second, and now all of a sudden you want the book to be true and the comic scan with her doing it in a half second to be fake. Make up your mind

Originally posted by The Weather God
[B]Because HOF provided a scan of her calling the weather in a half second

And I provided a scan where she says she doesn't have telekinesis. Your response was:

Umm that was long before they even had a scientific view of the x-men.

BTW That's Emma's telepathically trained mind in Storms body.

No that can still be true your just trying to find a way out of it. Obvioulsy she haves to telekenetically do this because the x-men universe doesen't have magic. Even if she wasen't telekenetic jean is still fried in a half second, and now all of a sudden you want the book to be true and the comic scan with her doing it in a half second to be fake. Make up your mind

Actually that was my question to you. And the book makes perfect sense of how her powers work:

From what I gathered from both the comic and the book...is that she manipulates weather patterns via atmokinesis. Which as shown in the book and comic has a lag because the meteorological effect has to be built up. Which is the lag.
It's not magic...it's Atmokinesis.

Your book is far newer then all those scans. And going by your logic from your last post.

Umm that was long before they even had a scientific view of the x-men.

It would be a more accurate depiction?

So why would this be any less true?

"Storm produces meteorological effects in seconds"
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[B]And I provided a scan where she says she doesn't have telekinesis. Your response was:

The book contradicted itself

Originally posted by ExodusCloak BTW That's Emma's telepathically trained mind in Storms body.

What bout the mohawk scan of her calling it in a blink of an eye and before anyone can react. Also emma frost is not as experienced in using her powers as storm is, so yes storm should be able to do it even better and faster then emma frost.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Actually that was my question to you.

From what I gathered from both the comic and the book...is that she manipulates weather patterns via atmokinesis. Which as shown in the book and comic has a lag because the meteorological effect has to be built up. Which is the lag.
It's not magic...it's

But if the book is new then why isn't Atmokinesis mentioned in there and instead is mentoned as telekenesis, i believe the book has contradicted itself and can hold no real proof because of past things storm has done in the comics.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak Your book is which is far newer then all those scans.

So why would this be any less true?


Because the book has contradicted too many things and therefor holds no real proof to anything, meaning HOF scan is true because it's official by marvel.

Originally posted by The Weather God
The book contradicted itself

No it didn't your book is perfectly fine...it starts off by giving us the outline of Storms powers...she manipulates weather patterns which in turn creates a weather effect.

It then asked the question how she manipulates these weather patterns...and came to the conclusion that she's a type of "telekinetic" who can manipulate these patterns in the atmosphere via a specialized form of telekinesis....which takes seconds to build up as stated in that article.

The reason why the word atmokinesis wasn't used is because I don't think it's an actual word in the dictionary. It's just a word that came to be. It's the manipulation of the atmosphere to create meterological effects.

What bout the mohawk scan of her calling it in a blink of an eye and before anyone can react. Also emma frost is not as experienced in using her powers as storm is, so yes storm should be able to do it even better and faster then emma frost.

It says before anyone PRESENT can react..and it also states blink of an eye.

Emma studied Icemans powers very quickly and used them as if they were her own...the same in this case..until right at the end where she let her emotions get the best of her.

Nope...Emma is a telepath..she's trained all her life with telepathy...it stands to reason that her reaction timeis heightened. Nevertheless...it's an Emma feat.

But if the book is new then why isn't Atmokinesis mentioned in there and instead is mentoned as telekenesis, i believe the book has contradicted itself and can hold no real proof because of past things storm has done in the comics.

It's the manipulation of the atmosphere to create meterological effects.

Because the book has contradicted too many things and therefor holds no real proof to anything, mean HOF scan is true because it's official by marvel.

Your book is also an official marvel book....I it checked out. And see above it didn't contradict anything.

There is no contradiction. The irony of first presenting a book as evidence, and then trying to deny the book as evidence when it no longer plays in favour of Storm. Storm manipulates weather. It has lag.

Telepathy and telekinesis do not. Telepathy can inhibit Storm's powers and kill her before any of her atmospheric effects can be produced and directed. Telekinesis can kill her before any of her atmospheric effects can be produced and directed. Telekinesis can also protect Jean Grey before Storm can do anything, not that Jean needs the protection as she can kill Storm with her TK or TP before Storm can do anything.