Originally posted by 2damnloud
The storm side won. They provided facts and indepth REASONS as to why they feel the way they feel. Whereas the other side were just rebellious_________ who just want to "rail against the fanboys" just because, which is evident by the above post.Storm owns
Spoken like a true fanboy.
Originally posted by The Weather God
Lightning hardly takes action at all.
Jean thinks vegetable, it happens. There is no inbetween step.
I don't understand why that has to keep being rehashed. And I'm not sure why Jean is being so underrated in this fight.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Hardly is not the issue. Time is still required. Storm thinks lighting, the phenomena for it to occur is created, lightning happens.Jean thinks vegetable, it happens. There is no inbetween step.
I don't understand why that has to keep being rehashed. And I'm not sure why Jean is being so underrated in this fight.
That doesn't apply as quickly as you think(as someone mentioned a psybolt dosen't apply instantly), and i don't know why storm is so underated in this fight. I also called this right down the middle and said it's an easy tie.
It's not an easy tie. Jean has manipulated DOZENS of minds simultaneously. Why would Storm, someone she already knows, be so difficult (especially since she's been in Storm's mind anyway)? If she can render a crowd catatonic with a thought, what would happen if she turned her total TP on one individual, especially when canon says thought=action for her? There's nothing Storm can do to prevent Jean from turning off her power or her mind. There's nothing Storm can do to prevent Jean from ripping her heart out. So how is she gonna win? Wind and lightning aren't going to cut it in this case, especially for someone that can fly just as well as Storm can-the difference being, of course, that Jean can carry dozens of people while she's flying herself.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
It's not an easy tie. Jean has manipulated DOZENS of minds simultaneously. Why would Storm, someone she already knows, be so difficult (especially since she's been in Storm's mind anyway)? If she can render a crowd catatonic with a thought, what would happen if she turned her total TP on one individual, especially when canon says thought=action for her? There's nothing Storm can do to prevent Jean from turning off her power or her mind. There's nothing Storm can do to prevent Jean from ripping her heart out. So how is she gonna win? Wind and lightning aren't going to cut it in this case, especially for someone that can fly just as well as Storm can-the difference being, of course, that Jean can carry dozens of people while she's flying herself.
What you are forgetting is jean grey is not the only one in this match up. Storm is telepathically linked to the weather and earth making her potentially at telepath and telekinetic speeds in this fight against jean grey. The only problem we've been having is the simple fact that we don't know how fast her powers work. All we've been getting is blink of an eye and split second which doesn't solve much in this argument. If storm thinks of a lightning bolt and is already telepathically linked to the weather then this will occur very fast and in a blink of an eye. How fast will it be done? we don't know. This is why i just split it down the middle.❌
Originally posted by The Weather God
What you are forgetting is jean grey is not the only one in this match up. Storm is [B]telepathically linked to the weather and earth making her potentially at telepath and telekinetic speeds in this fight against jean grey. The only problem we've been having is the simple fact that we don't know how fast her powers work. All we've been getting is blink of an eye and split second which doesn't solve much in this argument. If storm thinks of a lightning bolt and is already telepathically linked to the weather then this will occur very fast and in a blink of an eye. How fast will it be done? we don't know. This is why i just split it down the middle.❌ [/B]
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Storm isn't telepathically linked to the weather--her mutant ability at its most fundamental level is to manipulate it. Of course, it doesn't really make a difference anyway, because as I've said time and time again, Jean is most adept at multi front attacks, so there is no reason that she can't think of a TK shield, stop Storm's heart from beating and turn her powers off at the same time. And there is absolutely NO evidence that Storm can get past Jean's shields. They've not come down ever. Even after saving lives for 72 hours nonstop, she was still able to contain an explosion in a building AND keep the building in tact, stay in the air, and then fly dozens of people to the hospital and move on to her next task. She's formed a wall around Binary that cut her off completely from the energy of a star. How is Storm getting through? She's not, plain and simple. I don't believe that she can maintain an assault on Jean's shields and focus all of her willpower on protecting her mind at the same time. Jean doesn't have that problem.
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I give it that jean grey will get the first attack but storm's attack is coming in full force right behind hers. Jean grey's powers doesn't work for example like this: "mind on mind off she's done." It's going to take her a small moment for the assault to take full action and destroy storm, but let's not forget that storm's attack has nowcome down in full force knocking her focus off of the mind rape see that jean would have to put her full attention on blocking some 100,000,000 watt lightning bolts from the sky, while this is happening the table would then be able to change hands in storm's favor seeing that she can bring some serious weather phenomena to the table. Even tho jean grey was faster in attacking she still would have to worry about storm's attack coming since they both made they're thought at the same time.
Not saying that jean grey would be struke like that but this is how my argument is played out except with jean blocking the lightning with tk.
another thing i find quite intersting is all the scans posted showing storm being attacked with TP clearly shows that she didnt just go down like a wet blanket, there is always the Nnnnrnrrrghrgh!!! sounds or some speech about how unbearable the pain is. so i dont see why everyone is haboring the sentiment that jean is just gonna flex and storm's brain would be mush, b4 she knows what happened😄 also jean supporters seem to forget that the premise of this battle is that they both are sqauring off aganist each other knowingly, not by sneak attacking each other to gain a cheap advantage. A fully battle aware storm will not be taken down just like that, especially since the above scan showed emma getting the shit xapped out of her when storm new what was about to go down(loved that arc BTW) plus i just love how that lightning came out of nowhere soo...you know....instantly, where is the lag time that everyone keeps harping about? so like ive said for the millionth time........jean can beat storm but its not gonna be with TP
ean grey's powers doesn't work for example like this: "mind on mind off she's done." It's going to take her a small moment for the assault to take full action and destroy storm,
another thing i find quite intersting is all the scans posted showing storm being attacked with TP clearly shows that she didnt just go down like a wet blanket, there is always the Nnnnrnrrrghrgh!!! sounds or some speech about how unbearable the pain is. so i dont see why everyone is haboring the sentiment that jean is just gonna flex and storm's brain would be mush, b4 she knows what happenedanother thing i find quite intersting is all the scans posted showing storm being attacked with TP clearly shows that she didnt just go down like a wet blanket, there is always the Nnnnrnrrrghrgh!!! sounds or some speech about how unbearable the pain is. so i dont see why everyone is haboring the sentiment that jean is just gonna flex and storm's brain would be mush, b4 she knows what happened
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And then there's this:
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and this:
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And also thiis:
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also jean supporters seem to forget that the premise of this battle is that they both are sqauring off aganist each other knowingly, not by sneak attacking each other to gain a cheap advantage. A fully battle aware storm will not be taken down just like that, especially since the above scan showed emma getting the shit xapped out of her when storm new what was about to go down(loved that arc BTW) plus i just love how that lightning came out of nowhere soo...you know....instantly, where is the lag time that everyone keeps harping about? so like ive said for the millionth time........jean can beat storm but its not gonna be with TP
And the above scan shows several things: Storm is susceptible to TP (please also not that this scan is AFTER Emma had already attacked Storm's mind in previous panels); Storm's face registering her pain (a REACTION to Emma's THOUGHT); then lightning (a secondary REACTION to Emma's THOUGHT). Note Emma's initial attack was enough to take her out of the sky. She wanted her down, and she went down. So the scan shows a Storm that's already been grounded by Emma reacting to a SECOND attack. The difference between Emma in the scan and Jean in the arena is that Storm wouldn't have the opportunity to react to the second attack.
Originally posted by The Weather God
Not saying that jean grey would be struke like that but this is how my argument is played out except with jean blocking the lightning with tk.
The idioms have established a lag for Storms powers.
TP/TK = Execution vs Thought and then Execution...if Storm is knocked out then they'll be no one left to psionically guide her lightning to it's target..meaning...the execution part is useles...
Thought + Execution as one for Telepathy:
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Thought + Execution as one for Telekinesis:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg
As for that scan....it says it's a Telepathic Behaviour Modification and look at the time interval Emma takes to get up, speak, lift up Storms head and perform it....here Storm gets grounded to a Psi-Fry which lasts only moments. Different attacks.
And this is what we've been saying for like the last 40 pages. She's shown resistance to certain telepathic attacks i.e. Mind Control, Probing, Behaviour Modification. She has shown none to a Psi-Force Bolt and Psi-Fry...and having her subconscious reflexes shut down/manipulated.
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xtremexmen22p17hgwellsod3.jpg
A fully battle aware storm will not be taken down just like that, especially since the above scan showed emma getting the shit xapped out of her when storm new what was about to go down(loved that arc BTW) plus i just love how that lightning came out of nowhere soo...you know....instantly, where is the lag time that everyone keeps harping about? so like ive said for the millionth time........jean can beat storm but its not gonna be with TP
Look at the 15 scans of Storm being mind raped on the previous pages.
Lightning didn't come out of no where...IIRC...we see Storms lightning come down from the sky...(You know the page where the children are looking at the sky from their Dorms)
