Will Steals Elizabeth's Thunder?

A ship cannot move without WIND and WATER, a mans voyage cant be complete unless he has these vital things to help him on his way.

Jack cannot move on/exist in life without these things..take that into cosideration when you watch AWE whilst Jack is in purgatory 😉

just thought I'd throw that out there..see if people can tie it into something..we hear in DMC too

and Surreal.

I think this "impossible to see Jack be in love"

MAY...i'm not sure but "may" be scilenced by the end of AWE..we are going to have to be prepared for the concept of Jack being in love before we are going to see it in future movies IMO..

LOL I bet people dont have a clue what I'm on about..hopefully I'm on to something..but I may not be..

If you're talking about what I think you are, then Liz isn't what helped Jack...someone else did. 😉

No thats not what I'm talking about..you mean Tia right?

something happens to Jack in purgatory that is not in the leaked draft script..IMO it basically tells us the ending.
T&T say the ending should be obvious from the beginning of a movie..yet still a surprise...just hope my hunch is right.

I don't know...I think I vaguely know what else you might possibly be talking about, but...eh. I could be miles off. 😄

I should clarify my first point about Jack though...I think Jack IS in love with Elizabeth...what I mean is, I'm not sure he can remain in love with her. I think Elizabeth will want someone who willingly gives all they are, and will take all that she is...and I'm not sure that Jack could reciporacate that.

LOL come on tell me..or hint to me 😄

I'll just say..people probably wont want Jack to remain the same as he is in AWE..they may WANT him to have his wind and his water..😄 Otherwise he cant continue in life.also surreal..I feel the "twist" ending "may" show us that Jack can love Elizbaeth on a long term basis..but it may not..It may just be Will's "twist ending", to go along with Will's heroic moment..to go along with "Wills story"..come on..they gotta give Jack something lol he is the money of the movie after all..I want to know that he isnt going to perish.

It was rumored a while ago, (not here) that Jack is changed in purgatory somehow. I noticed it in the leaked script, and he seems much darker. You've hinted a possible lost soul, or I suspect, possibly a stolen soul.

Will might have to become DJ in order to save Jack's soul. Interesting idea, possibly.

well..at least it wasnt me who hinted the original thing..

I dont think Will intentionally does that to save Jack...its to probably save his dad and Liz..I think once there he may realise Jack does have a heart and he needs Liz to make it complete..and could possibly be the right man for Liz.

there are various little hints so far it seems in DMC and AWE that tie Jack in with the "twist ending" and not Will.
if that ending is still in there that is.

utimatley..IMO it will be Jack who decides to bring that man back again..not Will...but I think Liz and Will are going to be key factors in helping that happen

if Will is Davy IMO he's going to realise somthing about Jack and what he needs, Elizabeth is going to save him too..just my opinion anyway..

i think surely jack will change dying does that to ppl even in the leaked script he says dying changes a man

In my opinion when Will says the riddle from the chart and if the ending twist involves Jack in some way all will become clear., its not the same riddle as in the draft script..they changed it...

i have a very, very good feeling about Jack and Elizabeth today.

me too..the ending is supposed to be obvious from the start right but at the same time a shocker?? but when you look back on it you see that it was pretty obvious and makes sense..

and i have a very, very large amount of excitement for the 3rd film. i think its going to be epic in a way we dont even realize...

ha..I just realsied something..so far..both of Elizabeth's entrances we have seen have been dreamlike/surreal..and are made to feel seperated from the rest of the story...

its brushing with fantasy... which apparantly is going to be a much larger focus in 3...

😄

me rambling for a bit... check out the similarities and see if you cant make some predictions...

movie 1

elizabeth opens by singing "pirates life for me" but still in a corset

she ends by choosing to love a "pirate", still in a corset

will enters by being rescued by elizabeth,
and ends by being rescued by her decision

jack enters 1 on a borrowed ship, coming in from the horizon, and ends going toward the horizon on a ship borrowed from the depths.

movie 2

elizabeth enters the movie as a "widowed bride" or bride left at the alter. she ends the movie the loser of both men, in various respects.

will enters the movie in handcuffs, exits the movie bound in the oath he made to his father.

jack enters the movie in a coffin, ends the movie dead.

movie 3 (from what we know of leaked script)

elizabeth enters the movie in a dreamlike song in singapore, where she sings the secret chant of the pirate brethran.

will enters the movie by nearly being drowned by Sao in a bath sequence, after making a secret alliance with him

Jack enters the movie aching for a wind in purgatory to get his ship moving.

predictions:

Elizabeth ends movie singing "pirates life for me" or something to that effect, accepting her pirate status and the future that goes with it.

Will ends the movie as the new Captain, rescuing drowned souls by allowing them to make oaths to him.

Jack ends the movie with the "wind of change" to the pirate world and his own life...

just me rambling of course. lol

the way look at that opening scene in DMC..Its surreal, its seperated..she looks as if she's kneeling at a grave..and we then meet Jack in a coffin..and Will tied to a destiny..that is how movie ends..Will's main priority is dada..Jack is her "husband lost at sea whom she is now in search of"

HANG ON A SEC...in the leaked script what are on the 3 platforms Liz sails past?

sure it does. 😄 slightly different, but here it is:

>ELIZABETH
>(singing)
>Came all ye young fellers that follows the sea
>She waits, listening.
>Silence.
>Again she sings --
>ELIZABETH
>(CONT'D)
>Came all ye young fellers that follows the sea
>A VOICE IN THE DARK answers, completes the line
>
>MAN(O.S)
>(singing).
>To my way haye, blow the man down
>Elizabeth changes course, toward the voice. The singer is an ASIAN
>MAN crouched on a platform. Cleaning fish guts up to his elbows. He
>raises his eyes to Elizabeth. Points.
>Elizabeth pushes off in that direction. Sings the next line --
>
>ELIZABETH
>I've a deep water Clipper just in from Hong Kong
>
>ANOTHER VOICE in the dark before her answers.
>OLD MAN(O.S.)
>Give us the time and we'll blow the man down
>The OLD MAN washes clothes on floating dock; she gestures for
>Elizabeth to continue on her path. Elizabeth sings:
>
>ELIZABETH
>If you'll give me some grog, then I'll sing you a song
>A DARK FIGURE stands on the dock before her.
>
>DARK FIGURE (O.S.)
>To my way, haye, blow the man down!
>The Figure turns -- is revealed to be BARBOSSA. He is flanked by
>half a dozen Chinese SOLDIERS.
>Barbossa nods, gestures at the boat - -
>
>BARBOSSA

oh gee... i dont know. ^^^THIS stupid leaked version doesnt say... 😄 giggle...