Originally posted by inamilist
i'll biteplease explain in detail how this would work
Okay
Imagine a rubber bullet that is fired at a tree stump.
After impact, the rubber bullet would bounce off with nearly the same momentum as it struck the stump with. Also with the same force by newtons 3rd law. Now say some unmovable object followed right behind the bullet while it traveled (like juggernaut's finger slightly touching the bullet from behind as it traveled-speedy juggs) So the bullet compresses to bounce off the tree with nearly the same force only to go into Juggs finger (which has no give) and thus compresses on Juggs finger to go back into the tree with almost the same momemtum at first strike. This is nearly double the force. Juggs finger plays the role of the force mirror.
So a strike from spiderman with his feet connected to an unmovable ground would cause his punch to be almost double in momemtum and force as was intially thrown.
Do you get it?
Originally posted by h1a8
Okay
Imagine a rubber bullet that is fired at a tree stump.
After impact, the rubber bullet would bounce off with nearly the same momentum as it struck the stump with. Also with the same force by newtons 3rd law. Now say some unmovable object followed right behind the bullet while it traveled (like juggernaut's finger slightly touching the bullet from behind as it traveled-speedy juggs) So the bullet compresses to bounce off the tree with nearly the same force only to go into Juggs finger (which has no give) and thus compresses on Juggs finger to go back into the tree with almost the same momemtum at first strike. This is nearly double the force. Juggs finger plays the role of the force mirror.So a strike from spiderman with his feet connected to an unmovable ground would cause his punch to be almost double in momemtum and force as was intially thrown.
Do you get it?
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Originally posted by h1a8that's a nice idea but not really valid for that to come close to working is if spidy was rooted to a wall punching straight over head and namor moving straight into it at a steady pace
Okay
Imagine a rubber bullet that is fired at a tree stump.
After impact, the rubber bullet would bounce off with nearly the same momentum as it struck the stump with. Also with the same force by newtons 3rd law. Now say some unmovable object followed right behind the bullet while it traveled (like juggernaut's finger slightly touching the bullet from behind as it traveled-speedy juggs) So the bullet compresses to bounce off the tree with nearly the same force only to go into Juggs finger (which has no give) and thus compresses on Juggs finger to go back into the tree with almost the same momemtum at first strike. This is nearly double the force. Juggs finger plays the role of the force mirror.So a strike from spiderman with his feet connected to an unmovable ground would cause his punch to be almost double in momemtum and force as was intially thrown.
Do you get it?
Originally posted by h1a8not really true it applys to rubber fairly well because rubber has a way of creating more kinetic energy but for the most part when an object like a fist hits an unmoveable object the kinetic energy from the fist is transfered to the object and the fist comes to a dead stop
Have you ever learned about collisions?
Momemtum transfers from one object to the other after a collision.
If one object in the collision is unmovable then it becomes a momemtum mirror in which it transfers the momemtum back again into the other object.
Originally posted by h1a8
Okay
Imagine a rubber bullet that is fired at a tree stump.
After impact, the rubber bullet would bounce off with nearly the same momentum as it struck the stump with. Also with the same force by newtons 3rd law. Now say some unmovable object followed right behind the bullet while it traveled (like juggernaut's finger slightly touching the bullet from behind as it traveled-speedy juggs) So the bullet compresses to bounce off the tree with nearly the same force only to go into Juggs finger (which has no give) and thus compresses on Juggs finger to go back into the tree with almost the same momemtum at first strike. This is nearly double the force. Juggs finger plays the role of the force mirror.So a strike from spiderman with his feet connected to an unmovable ground would cause his punch to be almost double in momemtum and force as was intially thrown.
Do you get it?
ya, that works for me 🙂
to be honest, I had really never thought about collisions that much. Nor do I think they play that much of a role here.
even if spidey can manage a class 100 shot, Namor has taken those many times from fighting other brusiers like the thing or hulk, who would also benefit from these collision boosts to their impact strength, making them much stronger than what spiderman is throwing.
Namor would also benefit from this, making his punches absurdly strong compared to spiderman.
cool though, thanks for posting that 🙂
Originally posted by lando005also unlike a rubber ball spidy also has to put his fist in motion pulling back his arms and punching again this also eats up some of the kinetic energy built up in the attack, true if he uses momentum from his strike when pulling the fist back he can save on energy but he'd end up using it anyway when he goes to strike again, but nice theory though it's kinda similar effect to flash's vibrations
not really true it applys to rubber fairly well because rubber has a way of creating more kinetic energy but for the most part when an object like a fist hits an unmoveable object the kinetic energy from the fist is transfered to the object and the fist comes to a dead stop
Namor wins on land as well as on sea.
That theory of yours is nice h1a8, great to see some innovative thinking, but you are forgetting several crucial points.
First of all, you forget Namor's own speed. His speed feats are equal, in multiple cases, better to Spider-Man's. Spider-Man has the edge on dodging because of Spider-Sense, but if we go on pure speed feats, Namor has slight edge.
Now, whereas Spider-Man can dodge Namor for a long time because of his Spider-Sense, it will not help him on offensive. Namor is perfectly capable of dodging Spider-Man, doing other defensive stuff such as catching his fist, blocking his attacks with his wrist guards (like he has done to multiple fast attacks) or simply taking them for a while and waiting for the right moment to attack him.
Then there is Namor's own momentum, which already puts his amazing strength even to stronger point then it already is. Because of Namor's great hand speed that is easily equal to Spider-Man's, his added speed creates punching force that is thousands, probably hundreds of thousands times stronger then Spider-Man.
Namor has knocked out Hulk with pure strength, moved hundreds of thousands of tons with few punches, caused earthquakes that span islands, toppled the likes of Iron Man, Beta Ray Bill and Thor among other things. Spidey can take one punch, but it will leave him weakened. And slower. Every time Namor would land even one punch, he would have greater chance of landing one next time.
Then there is the flight advantage...Namor can fly around Spidey with multiple mach speeds and make him lose his concetration with that alone, punching him from every side.
And whereas Spidey is intelligent, Namor is much more experienced then he is when it comes to battle.
And honestly...Class 50 punches would take a long time to wear Namor out. Spidey would probably hurt himself more on the long run then he does to Namor.