namor vs. spiderman

Originally posted by rotiart
Show me spiderman dodging Light. Repeatedly. I'll acknowledge bullets... even some badly thrown lightning blasts... but spiderman still gets tagger by electro, dr. octopus, mysterio...sandman...

If you go to Spidey's respeck page then you will see and hear several feats of this. Like every time he fights Chance. Chance's has homing computerized lasers in which he always try to hit Spidey with. But spidey always manage to dodge them. Also there are times when enemies are shooting plain energy blasts (either from guns or from powers), such as from Dr. Doom and certain high security fortresses, at spidey. Spidey has managed to dodge these as well (due to his precog spider sense).

It was even said that (by Marvel) the greater the threat then the stronger the spidey sense. So my reasoning tells me that the greater the threat (in which Spidey can die in one hit) then the more time into the future his spider sense shifts into precog mode.

I like Spiderman but he's not beating Namor

Originally posted by h1a8
If you go to Spidey's respeck page then you will see and hear several feats of this. Like every time he fights Chance. Chance's has homing computerized lasers in which he always try to hit Spidey with. But spidey always manage to dodge them. Also there are times when enemies are shooting plain energy blasts (either from guns or from powers), such as from Dr. Doom and certain high security fortresses, at spidey. Spidey has managed to dodge these as well (due to his precog spider sense).

It was even said that (by Marvel) the greater the threat then the stronger the spidey sense. So my reasoning tells me that the greater the threat (in which Spidey can die in one hit) then the more time into the future his spider sense shifts into precog mode.

so you're saying that all the time's he gets nailed to the wall by dr octopus... its cause doc isn't enough of a threat?

and energy blasts do not move at light speed... lightning doesn't even move at light speed...

Btw... even captain america has dodged lazer beams, energy blasts, bullets... are you saying that Captain america is faster then light now?

even quicksilver can get tagged.. and spiderman is not quicksilver...

Originally posted by rotiart
so you're saying that all the time's he gets nailed to the wall by dr octopus... its cause doc isn't enough of a threat?

and energy blasts do not move at light speed... lightning doesn't even move at light speed...

Btw... even captain america has dodged lazer beams, energy blasts, bullets... are you saying that Captain america is faster then light now?

even quicksilver can get tagged.. and spiderman is not quicksilver...

All energy beams are light speed. This is because they are of electromagnetic radiation. The reason you see them in cartoons moving slowly (like in Star Wars) is to show the viewer the effects of them.

Cap has never dodge lasers or bullets. He simply uses evasive action in order not to be hit. This is not dodging. And quicksilver doesn't have spidersense. A big difference.

And spidey getting hit by anyone (including Doc Ock) is writers not writing him to the best of his abilities. Spiderman's spidersense is either precog or it isn't. If it is, then there is no way for him to get hit when he does. And if it isn't, then Marvel wouldn't have said so in countless bios and handbooks and wouldn't have shown it on panel.

Originally posted by h1a8
All energy beams are light speed. This is because they are of electromagnetic radiation. The reason you see them in cartoons moving slowly (like in Star Wars) is to show the viewer the effects of them.

Cap has never dodge lasers or bullets. He simply uses evasive action in order not to be hit. This is not dodging. And quicksilver doesn't have spidersense. A big difference.

And spidey getting hit by anyone (including Doc Ock) is writers not writing him to the best of his abilities. Spiderman's spidersense is either precog or it isn't. If it is, then there is no way for him to get hit when he does. And if it isn't, then Marvel wouldn't have said so in countless bios and handbooks and wouldn't have shown it on panel.

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wow... so shows a spiderman level feat... its pis...
if spiderman gets tagged.. its pis...

So when spiderman died... thats pis too..
when venom and carnage are ripping parker apart...

you know what... you are way too much of a fanboy to be worth my aggravation 😄

Originally posted by h1a8
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Speed of thought is 30m/s or 67.1mph

that's not the speed of thought, that's the speed of nerve impulses. thought is pretty unquantifiable.

Originally posted by rotiart
😆 😆 😆

wow... so shows a spiderman level feat... its pis...
if spiderman gets tagged.. its pis...

So when spiderman died... thats pis too..
when venom and carnage are ripping parker apart...

you know what... you are way too much of a fanboy to be worth my aggravation 😄

Spidey's sense don't work on venom or carnage.
His spidersense is either precog or it isn't. And it is common sense that it is.
If you were fast and knew an attack before it came and had a guidance system in your brain to know how to get out of the way then would you get hit?

Now you see why it is PIS when he gets hit? Simply writers not writing him to the best of his abilities.

Originally posted by rotiart
1. Spiderman does not dodge light... even captain america tagged spiderman, and had him buckling over from just 3 hits. Notice that in the civil war comic it was spiderman thinking it, not saying it like he usually does to throw his enemies off. He was actually very hurt.

2. Namor is the kind of enemy who when he's pissed, takes on the entire fantastic four.

venom screwed spiderman over. Even a recent villain "killed" peter parker. You act like spiderman's never been laid out before. And namors gonna be the one who can do it. He isn't going to be jobbing like firelord. The avenging son is gonna put your pet arachnid in a hole in the ground 7 feet deep. Understand? 7... feet... deep...

Buckling? 😬

Originally posted by manorastroman
that's not the speed of thought, that's the speed of nerve impulses. thought is pretty unquantifiable.

Speed of thought is quantified by the speed of nerve impulse. This is a scientific fact. Unless you are talking about something spiritual (like God and Jesus) then you may have a point. Look it up it is easy to find.

just because i'm not talking about nerve impulses doesn't mean i'm talking about god. 😬 talk about a logic leap. i'm talking about the abstract process, not the time it takes to get from the abstract process to the actual action. and i clearly don't need to look it up, seeing as i specified nerve impulses.

tool.

1) Spiderman can't dodge lazers, he probably shouldn't be able to dodge bullets

2) The spider sense is in the broadest terms PIS. If it wasn't one of Spider-Man's powers it would be ridiculous to think that someone of spider-man's ability could do half of what he does.

So, generally speaking, spiderman wont be hit by projectiles. However, time and time again, he is hit by things like punches or he is grabbed or whatever.

Obviously this doesn't make sense, but that is how it goes.

Dodging bullets or lazers should not be considered a feat for any character

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed of thought is quantified by the speed of nerve impulse. This is a scientific fact. Unless you are talking about something spiritual (like God and Jesus) then you may have a point. Look it up it is easy to find.

Thinking and thoughts are VERY difficult concepts to pin down

When you think about something, you are activating several differant levels of your brain: memory, sensory coding, differant areas that process meaning and action, each of which contains billions of neurons, each with its own specific function.

By themselves, the neurons are pretty much meaningless, but when activated in certain patterns, they represent everything we know.

Any "thought" a person has then, MUST be based upon the firing of billions of neurons in specific patterns to convey the depth of meaning that we need.

Basic perceptual operations are increadably fast, but still, input must travel through many stages before it is even analyzed for meaning. This occurs even before we become consious of something, theoretically, before we even think about it.

When we do think of something, the activation of all the necessary brain areas will take much longer than the activation of a single neuron, and in many cases a single thought can continue to activate new neural processes associated with it (ie, still processing the thought, so still part of "the speed of that thought"😉.

The fact that you say "look it up its easy to find" is really disturbing though. I was talking with my Cognitive Psychology prof today about stuff related specifically to this (actually, the lecture was on conceptualizations of knowledge). Long story short, "thoughts" are STILL mysterious to the scientific community. When it comes to prefrontal activation and that type of perception, it is largely unknown how that occurs, although we are aware of many of the processes involved.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I stopped reading after "with added speed to create class 50 or stronger hits".

Originally posted by h1a8
Nope not really.

Yeah. Really.

Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know how fast he must move his arms and legs in order to swim 60mph. He could be using his flying ability (or ankle wings) to aid in his swimming.

60 MPH? 😂

Guess you are still clinging to handbooks right? I proved "60 MPH" swimming speed wrong year ago, mate.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spiderman to the best of his abilities won't hurt his hands hitting Hulk.
Or namor either (since he has tagged him good several times).

And Namor has tagged Spider-Man too. More times then Spidey has tagged Namor, in fact.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why is that? With spidey's precog spider-sense I don't see namor laying a finger on him. Remember spidey can dodge light. Spider should be able to hit him any amount of times if namor stays in range.

Spider-Man's dodging does not apply to his hitting speed. Namor can dodge Spider-Man as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
I can lift roughly 200lbs (or .1 of a ton) over my head yet can punch with 4 tons of force with my entire fist. Multiply that by 1000 (which is namor's max strength) and I can probably hit Hulk the same way Namor did (since Hulk only weighs roughly .5 tons). Plus that is PIS since Thor, who with his severe might and who is a lot stronger than namor, hit Hulk with his hammer (more devasting force than mere his fists) and never ever one hit him like that to make him unconscience.

Are you honestly saying that Namor's max strength is just 4000 tons?

...dude. Seriously.

Originally posted by h1a8
That scan either is PIS or he saw someone about to fire upon him and used evasive action.
How could he see sound before it gets there? Since light passes right through sound (0% bouncing back) and thus cannot be seen by anyone.

Because he is faster then sound. Plus he has superhuman senses and radar sense too.

Originally posted by h1a8
He seen the missle coming miles away and not from point blank range. But impressive nonetheless.

He's not miles away....

Originally posted by h1a8
He saw the guy raise the gun to fire and evaded. He didn't dodge after the fire.

Yes, he did. Notice that he dodges simultanously.

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed of thought is 30m/s or 67.1mph

Yeah, got me there...

Originally posted by h1a8
1. He raises his finger to fire and then namor evades before the fire (prove me wrong).

He dodged while that guy shot it. Prove me wrong. It all happens in the span of one panel.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. Using evasive action again because of the threat.

AKA...dodging...

Originally posted by h1a8
3. No dodging here. Just using his body as a shield. Impressive though.

"Twisting...turning...DODGING..." Read the captions too.

Originally posted by h1a8
4. Again no dodging there. Looks like WM misses and Namor is suprised.

Err...he dodges those goddamn bullets there...

Originally posted by h1a8
5. And again no dodging. Just missing (which is PIS).

Same as above. How could he miss if he is just standing right there.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes he has some superhuman speed. But using it there for a moment tired him out.
Spiderman can do the same, but with the added moving around and not getting tired so fast.

Spider-Man can't match anything close to sculpting entire statue in a second.

Originally posted by h1a8
The first 2 scans aren't working. The last scan shows that the meteors aren't moving mach anything (seem to be moving less than speed of sound). Writers in the past knew almost no science. That is why they showed many feats that exceeds a character's abilities. Most don't even know how much different objects weigh or the actual speed of certain things. They just know that they are very heavy or very fast and that they want to sell comics. That is why it is important for marvel themselves to think so along with being statistically consistent in a character's career.

It is still canon and it can't be used. I'll get the other two scans as soon as I can find it.

And they are meteors, lowest speed ever recorded by meteors is Mach 32, thus they are moving with that speed. Art doesn't matter. Plus he was chasing a spaceship on the same time.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never said he wasn't fast. But not as fast as spidey.
In that scan there is no other motion, relative to him, to guage actually how fast he is moving his hands. Even though that doesn't matter since Spidey has dodged faster stuff (like light) with his spider sense.

Just look at the speed of how fast the things appear around the monster...

And Namor is as fast when it comes to pure moving speed. Spidey is faster when it comes to pure dodging...because of his Spider-Sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
Decent agility. Looks like a regular human gymnast. Maybe cap's level of agility tops.
No where near spidey's though (in which can make that scan look like child's play and can balance himself in any position-even on his pinky).

Who said it was near Spidey?

Originally posted by h1a8
Good try though. My knowledge of Namor has definitely increased. And I'm starting to like him very much.

Pfft. You are still claiming that his top speed is only 60 MPH and he is only five times as strong as Spidey.

Think again.
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100333

Originally posted by h1a8
I can lift roughly 200lbs (or .1 of a ton) over my head yet can punch with 4 tons of force with my entire fist...

Yeah, that reminds me a bit of JPlatinum. If someone can punch with 4 tons of force, doesn't that mean that they can flip an normal car around with a punch? 😂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Are you honestly saying that Namor's max strength is just 4000 tons?

...dude. Seriously.

...Just? DC, are you honestly implying that 4,000 tons of strength is not an ass-load? 🤨

I think that's actually a bit of an exaggeration, in my opinion.

Namor, on land or not, 9/10.

Originally posted by inamilist
Thinking and thoughts are VERY difficult concepts to pin down

When you think about something, you are activating several differant levels of your brain: memory, sensory coding, differant areas that process meaning and action, each of which contains billions of neurons, each with its own specific function.

By themselves, the neurons are pretty much meaningless, but when activated in certain patterns, they represent everything we know.

Any "thought" a person has then, MUST be based upon the firing of billions of neurons in specific patterns to convey the depth of meaning that we need.

Basic perceptual operations are increadably fast, but still, input must travel through many stages before it is even analyzed for meaning. This occurs even before we become consious of something, theoretically, before we even think about it.

When we do think of something, the activation of all the necessary brain areas will take much longer than the activation of a single neuron, and in many cases a single thought can continue to activate new neural processes associated with it (ie, still processing the thought, so still part of "the speed of [b]that thought"😉.

The fact that you say "look it up its easy to find" is really disturbing though. I was talking with my Cognitive Psychology prof today about stuff related specifically to this (actually, the lecture was on conceptualizations of knowledge). Long story short, "thoughts" are STILL mysterious to the scientific community. When it comes to prefrontal activation and that type of perception, it is largely unknown how that occurs, although we are aware of many of the processes involved. [/B]

You are specific talking about how the thinking process works.
I was talking about the speed in which impulses travel and move in our bodies. Which is more physics and chemistry based.
All the interactions in our bodies and brains are chemical.
That means each impulse whether it travels in the body or the brain will travel roughly 67mph. Thus it would take a nerve impulse (in the brain) only .005 of a second to cover 6 inches in the brain. This is fast indeed.
That is why brain activity seems pretty fast.
So if multiple neurons are firing at the same time and in which they are all sending impulses to other areas of the brain an average of 6 inches in distance
then the range of times for a single thought could be anywhere between .005sec to .04sec which is still pretty fast.
The people with some of the fastest reflexes in the world are professional baseball players. Yet it has been proven that they are blind to a 90-100mph fastball less than 6ft of travel. This is why it is impossible for them (or anyone) to actually keep their eye on the ball while hitting the baseball. Since a 100mph baseball travels 6ft in .04 sec
and a human is blind to it then the range .005sec to .04 sec for a single thought makes sense.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Um... no you can't, unless you can punch 3 times harder than Mike Tyson. I believe you meant 400kgs that is 800lbs.