Originally posted by fsufan89
Can't agree with you on that one. Spideys been hit by rhino and hulk and lived to teel about it
which doesn't mean much when you take into account that cap's been hit by hulk, hulk clones, namor, cosmic cubed inhanced red skull, mr. hyde, and absorbing man and done the same... :/
that said, while I DO think spiderman has more overall durability than cap, spiderman's does not dwarf caps by any stretch of the imagination. nu-uh...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I believe bouyancy absolutely applies. Because immense water pressure does not push down towards gravity, it comes in on all sides, therefore buoyancy counts for a heck of a lot. I mean, just think about when you're in a swimming pool and you can stand on your big toe. You try that out in the air, and you're gonna break that big toe.Immense water pressure has to do with durability, of which Namor has in spades when he is in the water, but bouyancy still accounts for quite a bit. And I still don't understand how this accounts for how Namor would fight in land. You seem to point out in your respect threads, that Namor in the water is extremely enhanced. Therefore, vice-versa, he is still strong, but has nowhere near the capacity that he does in the water.
I think that on land, he's 100 ton lifter at best, since many of those Bill Russell scans show that he has an incredibly tough time (in Namor's own words) lifting 50 tons in one hand. Perhaps, what I am really asking is, on land, how strong do you believe Namor is?
P.S. The respect thread is too long, I don't know where that bottle thingy is you referred to.
See the updated Respect Thread on the SHC.
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100333
And Bill who? You mean Bill Everett? That 50 tons scan was from Stan Lee, who also wrote Namor as Class 100 tonner later on. And if Namor isn't dehydrated on land, he is as strong in there as he is on water.
Originally posted by long pigWe're talking about Captian America here, he'd be wasted by these characters in the forum.
Cap has taken blows harder than those many times, he's been punched by Thanos, Thing, Hulk, Thor, Vision, Wonderman, Thunderstrike etc.I've never ever once saw a Spiderman durability feat that outclassed Captain America.
Spiderman's durability is HORRID. I could seriously kill him with a knife...a dull knife.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerI did see trhe updated respect thread. All of his most impressive strength feats are done in the frigging water. That doesn't apply here, because he's not in the water.
See the updated Respect Thread on the SHC.
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100333And Bill who? You mean Bill Everett? That 50 tons scan was from Stan Lee, who also wrote Namor as Class 100 tonner later on. And if Namor isn't dehydrated on land, he is as strong in there as he is on water.
And no way in hell is Namor undehydrated, strong as he is in the water. Even your own respect thread shows Namor straining to hold 50 ton anchors around "with all his strength," after recently coming out of the water. Namor's character has always been strongest in the sea. IN THE SEA. He doesn't go take a dip and come out "water-dipped" like Superman comes out of the sun, "sun-dipped." That's utterly preposterous.
If you disagree, then show me a specific scan or page from your respect thread. It's too damn long to sift through some vague statement, "Namor is strong. See updated Respest Thread." If you know the scans, point em out. Don't hope that I waste 5 hours looking through it and giving up the debate because I can't find some phantom scans of yours.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I did see trhe updated respect thread. All of his most impressive strength feats are done in the frigging water. That doesn't apply here, because he's not in the water.
Maybe his most impressive strength feats are done in water because he spends 99% of his time there? Ever thought about that?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And no way in hell is Namor undehydrated, strong as he is in the water. Even your own respect thread shows Namor straining to hold 50 ton anchors around "with all his strength," after recently coming out of the water. Namor's character has always been strongest in the sea. IN THE SEA. He doesn't go take a dip and come out "water-dipped" like Superman comes out of the sun, "sun-dipped." That's utterly preposterous.
That-is-just-one-example. Namor just needs to be IN CONTACT with water, not SWIMMING in it. Hydrated Namor, aka wet Namor is as strong as Namor in water.
Hell, every time he needs to return to full power on land, he just takes a small glass of water and returns to full power.
Goddamn small drop of water melting from iceberg did the same.
I can put scans up when I get home if you wish.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you disagree, then show me a specific scan or page from your respect thread. It's too damn long to sift through some vague statement, "Namor is strong. See updated Respest Thread." If you know the scans, point em out. Don't hope that I waste 5 hours looking through it and giving up the debate because I can't find some phantom scans of yours.
What kind of scans you wish?
This is one of the reasons why I avoid KMC nowadays.
I don't understand why so many people feel that it's worth their time to educate those who lack base comic-book knowledge.
Namor wins 9/10 I'll allow 1 win for Peter because he's smart and may figure out something eventually but frankly...I find it very unlikely.