namor vs. spiderman

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah. Really.

Nope!

60 MPH? 😂

Guess you are still clinging to handbooks right? I proved "60 MPH" swimming speed wrong year ago, mate.

Spiderman has shown over 40tons strength multiple times.
But yet all (including you) except the fact that he is only class 20.
Why is this? Maybe its those stinking handbooks right.

And Namor has tagged Spider-Man too. More times then Spidey has tagged Namor, in fact.

Again, the biggest fallacy of them all. That is a comic fight. These are forum fights. A big difference. Writers many times don't write characters using the best of their abilities. If you were fast and can tell an attack before it comes and had a guidance system in your brain to help guide you out of the way then would you (or could you) every get hit?
Please answer this first.

Spider-Man's dodging does not apply to his hitting speed. Namor can dodge Spider-Man as well.

Are you honestly saying that Namor's max strength is just 4000 tons?

...dude. Seriously.

No! If you do the math 1000 times .1 ton is 100tons (not 4000tons). I said he should hit with 4000tons of force (hitting and lifting are not the same thing) because he is 1000 times stronger than me and I hit with 4tons of force with my entire fist.

Because he is faster then sound. Plus he has superhuman senses and radar sense too.

He's not miles away....

Yes, he did. Notice that he dodges simultanously.

He dodged while that guy shot it. Prove me wrong. It all happens in the span of one panel.

The burden of proof is on you. Since you introduced the scan as evidence.

"Twisting...turning...DODGING..." Read the captions too.

Err...he dodges those goddamn bullets there...

Same as above. How could he miss if he is just standing right there.

Spider-Man can't match anything close to sculpting entire statue in a second.

And they are meteors, lowest speed ever recorded by meteors is Mach 32, thus they are moving with that speed. Art doesn't matter. Plus he was chasing a spaceship on the same time.

Sure! The art shows that writers don't have much knowledge in science. Thus we can only go on their intentions. If I create a character to have a certain limit, but accidentally make them go over their limit because of my lack of scientific knowledge, then who can tell me my bio of the character is wrong. (Use the spiderman reasoning here too)

Just look at the speed of how fast the things appear around the monster...

Yes it was fast. I never said he wasn't fast. Just not as fast as spidey.
Plus the scan doesn't show how long it takes to actually gauge it. You make it seem as if we are watching a cartoon or something.

And Namor is as fast when it comes to pure moving speed. Spidey is faster when it comes to pure dodging...because of his Spider-Sense.

Pfft. You are still claiming that his top speed is only 60 MPH and he is only five times as strong as Spidey.

Yes if you use the Spiderman reasoning above.

Originally posted by mighty adam
😆 good one but really namor would beat spiderman bad very BAD!

I love Spider-Man. I know a lot about him and his abilities, and I aslo think he wins against a lot of opponents.

However, I know when he's beat. Namor is just too powerful for Spider-Man to take down without a plot device in his favor.

So, with that said, Namor wins 8/10. Spidey does have a chance.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, that reminds me a bit of JPlatinum. If someone can punch with 4 tons of force, doesn't that mean that they can flip an normal car around with a punch? 😂

No because the car would absorb a huge amount of the impact. Because it is receiving the 4 tons too fast and in a small area. There are other reasons (I think) that deal with the concept of give and reversal of momemtum.

If it has been scientically established that a peak human can punch with a little over a ton per square inch tops. A human's fist is at least 5 square inches in area. Do the math.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I love Spider-Man. I know a lot about him and his abilities, and I aslo think he wins against a lot of opponents.

However, I know when he's beat. Namor is just too powerful for Spider-Man to take down without a plot device in his favor.

So, with that said, Namor wins 8/10. Spidey does have a chance.

If Spiderman fought Namor in a comic multiple times in the near future and Spidey lost all the battles. Then I wouldn't be shocked or disappointed. Because I know it is a comic fight. What I disagree with is that he would lose in a forum fight. For him to do that means that he will get hit. But techniqually (I can't spell well), how could he get hit if he is fast and his spider sense warns him of an attack before the attack and guides him out of the way. To say he will get hit simply ignores his precog spidersense or implies that he doesn't have it.

Originally posted by h1a8
and I hit with 4tons of force with my entire fist.

Dude... no.... please....stop........

On land spidey owns. This is the guy who took down firelord. Petes resourcefulness is unmatched

Originally posted by h1a8
If Spiderman fought Namor in a comic multiple times in the near future and Spidey lost all the battles. Then I wouldn't be shocked or disappointed. Because I know it is a comic fight. What I disagree with is that he would lose in a forum fight. For him to do that means that he will get hit. But techniqually (I can't spell well), how could he get hit if he is fast and his spider sense warns him of an attack before the attack and guides him out of the way. To say he will get hit simply ignores his precog spidersense or implies that he doesn't have it.

actually what it means is that he cannot react physically fast enough even though his mind tells him to me... much like a deer caught in the headlights...

When daredevil fought spiderman, his radar sense told him where spiderman was coming from, but he even said spiderman was much faster then he was, and therefore he could not get away...

his radar sense gives him 360 degrees of sight... he sees you coming at all times..

Spiderman's "precog" otherwise known as spidersense warns him of impending danger... do you even know wtf thats based on? lemme give you a lesson young pup.

a spider has a web. When a fly lands in said web, the web moves, spider knows where the vibrations came from to let him know whats up.
I, being a larger then spider mortal, have caught many a spider, how you say? big jar, slammed over top of spider, never disturbing his web. even if you disturb the web, the spider can only react SO fast.

You make allusions to the fact that spiderman moves ftl. Which is complete and utter bs. you say the greater the threat, the better he'll react. Well fancy this, spiderman has shown that he can dance around powerful.. .but slow opponents, but that he can still get tagged by others.

You aren't even using his shown abilities, you're making statements about what he COULD do, not what he has done... btw all these arguements about the fact that he can sense the danger coming means jack when he still gets tagged. And if you wanna go against 40 years showing what his established abilities are....

😆

Jesus. This is almost as bad as the people saying that LOGAN would beat Namor.

Namor laid out Logan in one punch.

Yay for the avenging son. Healing factor, healing smacktor!!!!!

Namor has hit Quicksilver, Speed Demon, and the Whizzer, but yet has a problem connecting with Spiderman? Give me a break (although I see this as I saw the Doc Samson thread, but got shot down there too).

Namor 10/10

Originally posted by tkitna
Namor has hit Quicksilver, Speed Demon, and the Whizzer, but yet has a problem connecting with Spiderman? Give me a break (although I see this as I saw the Doc Samson thread, but got shot down there too).

Namor 10/10

some some insane reason this guy thinks spiderman outmoves quicksilver... and that spiderman can react at the speed of light...

well if spiderman is moving at light speed.... namor moves ftl god dammit.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nope!

Yes!

Originally posted by h1a8
Spiderman has shown over 40tons strength multiple times.
But yet all (including you) except the fact that he is only class 20.
Why is this? Maybe its those stinking handbooks right.

Comics override handbooks as canon. Namor has done greater feats then written in handbooks before and after handbooks were published.

I'll take the word of his creator over some random handbook writer, sorry. And I don't say that Spider-Man can't lift over 40 tons, if you show me where, sure, I'll accept...

Originally posted by h1a8
Again, the biggest fallacy of them all. That is a comic fight. These are forum fights. A big difference. Writers many times don't write characters using the best of their abilities. If you were fast and can tell an attack before it comes and had a guidance system in your brain to help guide you out of the way then would you (or could you) every get hit?
[B]Please answer this first. [/B]

Few attacks, yeah. But when you are attacked all the time, you will get hit sooner or later, especially if your attacker moves as fast as you do.

According to your reasoning, Spider-Man could dodge Flash...

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO I would say no. Since spiderman will be at point blank range, moving around erratically and unpredictable with amazing speed and unmatched agility, and don't forget his webbing to slow namor down.

Your opinion, is sadly wrong. Namor written to best of his ability dodges lasers and other things that are faster then Spider-Man, thus he can dodge Spider-Man too. And he even doesn't need to, Namor written best to his ability can take the best punch Iron Man can throw and not even budge.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! If you do the math 1000 times .1 ton is 100tons (not 4000tons). I said he should hit with 4000tons of force (hitting and lifting are not the same thing) because he is 1000 times stronger than me and I hit with 4tons of force with my entire fist.

He is way more then 1000 times stronger then you.

The force of his punches is measured on Richter scale, literally.

Originally posted by h1a8
Naw. He travels under 100mph max. (Use the above reasoning about spiderman lifting more than handbooks say he should).

Sadly, comics override handbooks as canon, especially on this forum.

Originally posted by h1a8
Of course he is (if not then its still pretty far).

Actually, he is only few feet away, want to see the whole page?

Originally posted by h1a8
False. The moment he raises the gun to fire is the same moment namor moves out of the way. Just common sense reflexes.

All happens at the span of one panel.

Originally posted by h1a8
The burden of proof is on you. Since you introduced the scan as evidence.

I already proved that he dodges at the same time, as he dodges it on same panel on the same time the guy shoots.

Originally posted by h1a8
Sorry I didn't see dodging. Again, moving in evasion action is considered dodging. I can dodge bullets (if I'm lucky of course) by being evasive and I'm only a VulcanData 😆 .
I'm human though (at least I think so).

Originally posted by h1a8
No he doesn't. There is no movement shown that he dodges. Only misses (which is PIS). Also, his face is in shock.

PIS [/B][/QUOTE]

There is movement showing that he dodges, those two pages are from same comic...

Originally posted by h1a8
He sculpted the Hulk once. IMO it looked faster. And spidey combined his finger jabbing with very fast bouncing around.

He sculpted an Hulk statue, making hundreds of hand movements in a second? Where?

Originally posted by h1a8
Sure! The art shows that writers don't have much knowledge in science. Thus we can only go on their intentions. If I create a character to have a certain limit, but accidentally make them go over their limit because of my lack of scientific knowledge, then who can tell me my bio of the character is wrong. (Use the spiderman reasoning here too)

Comics >> Handbooks when it comes to canon material. This came up on Gladiator feat, where it said that he went inside the star but the artist was crappy and could not draw a star very well, so some retards started arguing that it was not star just because of bad art.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it was fast. I never said he wasn't fast. Just not as fast as spidey.
Plus the scan doesn't show how long it takes to actually gauge it. You make it seem as if we are watching a cartoon or something.

Unless stated otherwise, the span between panels is only few seconds at best. And seeing as they all appeared on the same time, trapping the monster...

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes he is super human fast in moving. But I think that all here at this forum would agree that spidey moves faster.

In dodging? Yes. Pure movement speed, still no.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes if you use the Spiderman reasoning above.

Sadly, your reasoning is wrong. According to rules of this forum and common sense. Even before you came to this forum, it was already decided that handbooks have lot of mistakes, and comic book feats override them.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Spiderman fought Namor in a comic multiple times in the near future and Spidey lost all the battles. Then I wouldn't be shocked or disappointed. Because I know it is a comic fight. What I disagree with is that he would lose in a forum fight. For him to do that means that he will get hit. But techniqually (I can't spell well), how could he get hit if he is fast and his spider sense warns him of an attack before the attack and guides him out of the way. To say he will get hit simply ignores his precog spidersense or implies that he doesn't have it.

oh he has it all right. He even knows its coming... he just can't move fast enough.

His mental reaction time > his body's physical reaction time

omg my ~spideysense~ is tingling!
omg my ~spideysense~ tells me the attack is coming from above.

I jump to the side ftl, i should be safe.

Oops the attack was an atomic bomb. i still died. gosh darn you ~spideysense~

Originally posted by h1a8
Mike tyson hits with about 2000lbs. per square inch if not more.
It has been proven that an average heavy weight professional boxer hits with about 1900lbs per square inch. It is not hard to find this info. You can either watch TLC, search the internet, or watch Rocky IV to find out the fact. One of my best friends was an amatuer heavy weight boxer and I hit as hard as he does. (Our weights were similar, I have over a year of martial arts ability in which I can break multiple wood boards with punches and I have some boxing ability.)

Tyson hits with 3000lbs. per square. but it doesn't mean that in general hi can hit with 6 tons force. If that was the case he would've been able to send an elephant fly.

I had read in a weight-training book, years ago, that the average man can military press 100 pounds for a 1 rep max. My own many years of weight-lifting experience (ie, training friends and such) tends to more/less bare this out.

That being so: it takes about 20 men to MP 1 ton.

If Spiderman can press 10 tons, that makes him about 200x stronger than your average joe. Of course, that's handbook. Panel feats (say, that famous one from the 1960s, where he's pinned under something I believe was supposed to weigh about as much as a locomotive) have him lifting way more. Let's be generous (since we are going to be generous with Namor below and not go by handbooks), and say Spiderman can MP 100 tons. That makes him 2000x stronger than the average guy.

From what I've seen of Namor's feats, he has shoved masses weighing a few 100,000 tons. I think it's safe to say he could MP 100,000 tons. That makes him about 2 million times stronger than Mr. Average.

That also makes him 1000x stronger than Spiderman.

Thusly, strength-wise: Joe Average is to Spiderman very roughly as Spiderman is to Namor.
That's a helluva strength difference. This is why I keep saying--given Spiderman's agility and spider-sense, that he has a 3-4/10 chance of beating Namor IF 1) they fight on Spidey's turf (NYC streets and rooftops) wherein he can make optimal use of his environment; and 2) Namor starts drying out and weakening.

I wanted to say 100 is average, but I considered dire situations.

Originally posted by Soljer
Jesus. This is almost as bad as the people saying that LOGAN would beat Namor.

let's get this straight.
Marvel comics states that Namor can lift 100 tons.
Marvel comics states that Spiderman can lift about 15 tons.
That makes Namor about 6.5 times stronger than Spiderman.
Spiderman beat the holy goddamn out of Titania.
Titania was equal to She-Hulk at the time.
She could lift 85 tons.

Clearly Spiderman CAN give Namor a good fight considering
his agility and spidersense. Of course, Namor will eventually
win the majority of these considering his flight, speed, experience
& ferocity. But it's not a curbstomping by any means.

when reading comics for many years, one should be able
to tell between facts and hyperbole.

Namor can lift/punch way more then 100 tons, though. Try closer to 100,000-500,000 tons. 😬 He has literally moved the mass of islands and cities more then once.

The best Spidey has ever been able to lift/punch, under great stress is probably 50 tons. That would already make Namor 2000-10000 times stronger then Spider-Man.