Originally posted by Nikkolas
That's one way of looking at it.. Another is Dooku WTFpwns Anakin in The Force and then him and Vader tea up to overpower Mace.
Lol. How will he "WTFpwn" him with the force, exactly? If he could why didn't he do it when he got beheaded?
I see Dooku fumbling for the "Light sabers for dummies" emergency manual just as he gets decapitated by Anakin, then the good guys go destroy OT Vader.
Originally posted by Escape81
Far more experienced? Yes.Far more skilled? No. Otherwise, Anakin would've been decapitated - not the other way around.
I would say Dooku is more skilled as well. Anakin won because of his raw power, anger and his huge amount of physical strength. I doubt that Anakin, a young man in his 20's, would have more skill than an 80 year old master who has been taught by the best.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
I would say Dooku is more skilled as well. Anakin won because of his raw power, anger and his huge amount of physical strength. I doubt that Anakin, a young man in his 20's, would have more skill than an 80 year old master who has been taught by the best.
Yoda has about nine centuries of experience and skill in the Force. DE Sidious has about ninety. And, yet, we both know which one is more powerful and skilled - and it's Sidious.
Age can measure experience, but not necessarily skill or power. Count Dooku has the experience. But he lacks the skill. A pissed off Anakin is too powerful for Count Dooku in a lightsaber duel or in an all out fight.
An argument could be made for Dooku's skill being superior. But that doesn't mean he'd win the fight. Anakin's raw, blind rage just cut through Dooku's "skill" like a buzzsaw through butter.
Lol. How will he "WTFpwn" him with the force, exactly? If he could why didn't he do it when he got beheaded?
Same reason Palpatine didn't use The Force against Mace- the way the movie was made. That's pretty obvious. We saw many demonstrations of his power in The Force in all sorts of places but simply because he didn't use it in one fight automatically makes it pointless? Hardly.
Anakin's raw power in The Force is so great he brought a building down just by yelling... The amazing part people who support Anakin forget to mention is that the retard brought it down on himself and Ob-Wan while Dooku had the sense of mind and awareness to manage to avoid being pinned down. Honestly. Anyone who really thinks Anakin showed anything special with that should have their head examined. If he could actually bring down the building against his enemies, then it be worth of note when referring to his power.
Originally posted by Rampant oxExperience can goto waste ya know, yoda had 800 years experience and sidious had only like what 60 years at that time and he was a match for yoda is sheer swordsmanship and still stalemate
Even though Dooku is far more experienced and skilled with a blade than Anakin. 😬
Originally posted by Escape81Good point here, lets not forget dooku could have underestimated anakin because he beat ani before so that thing does play a part to dookus defeat. If dooku took him seriously he would not have gone down that fast and he would have known makashi aint so good with djem so/shien. He should have relied on the force or something.
Yoda has about nine centuries of experience and skill in the Force. DE Sidious has about ninety. And, yet, we both know which one is more powerful and skilled - and it's Sidious.Age can measure experience, but not necessarily skill or power. Count Dooku has the experience. But he lacks the skill. A pissed off Anakin is too powerful for Count Dooku in a lightsaber duel or in an all out fight.
An argument could be made for Dooku's skill being superior. But that doesn't mean he'd win the fight. Anakin's raw, blind rage just cut through Dooku's "skill" like a buzzsaw through butter.
Prodigal Knight's Scenario of the Fight :
OT Vader and ROTS Tyrannus step into the empty flat Dueling Arena in the Jedi Temple. They look at each other and nod. Across from them, at the other side of the arena, stood their opponents. ROTS Vader and Mace Windu. The duo's calmy strode toward the others, until only a few feet away. Then as fast as lightning, 4 blades ignited and the arena was a panorama of a sea of blue, purple, and red.
Scenario 1:
Immediately, ROTS Vader Force Jumped and slashed his blue blade at the awaiting Darth Tyrannus. The former Count of Serenno jumped back and lashed out with a blast of Lightning. ROTS Vader easily countered it with his saber and then with a burst of Force Speed, slashed viciously at Tyrannus. The Sith Lord desperately countered, his energy rapidly depleting. Blades bounced back and back, until finally Tyrannus could not last any longer....
Meanwihle, Windu and OT Vader battled fiercly. Windu's Vapaad and Shatterpoint ability aided him greatly in the fight, but OT Vader would not give up. His mastery of saber forms and his telekinetic ability to fight while using the Force surprised Windu. OT Vader planned to do another slash of tremendous power when another warrior slammed into him. ROTS Vader. OT Vader was scared, one of his opponents was enough, but two, no chance at all. OT Vader pressed his blade to his face and then began a last final charge, before death.
Scenario 2:
ROTS Vader was very fast, faster than any other Jedi OT Vader had ever encountered. Nevertheless, the agile Sith Lord lacked powers in the Force, and that was OT Vader's advantage. His Djem So was more powerful, but not as fast ROTS's Vader, however his telekinetic ability to fight while using the Force kept being a nuisance to the young Sith Lord. ROTS Vader had to keep on turning back and cutting down all the debris OT Vader brought down. The fight was not even close to a finish....
Meanwhile Darth Tyrannus originally enjoyed his fight with Mace Windu. He knew Windu from years back as Battlemaster and he always won in a sparring fight, but this was not the Windu he knew. Windu had mastered Juyo! Something was impossible to Tyrannus. Windu was a raging river of purple, zooming around Tyrannus's elegant moves of Makashi. Tyrannus tried one of his fighting combos, the Kick-Choke-Throw, but it failed as when he used Whirlwind upon Mace, the Korun Jedi Master countered with a damaging Force Crush. Tyrannus crashed into the wall and slumped down. He was nearly finished. But Windu was not. The Jedi Master came on fiercly, and Tyrannus could only look on helplessly as his former friend cut him down.
OT Vader fought valiantly, but even he was no match for Windu and ROTS Vader. He looked on desperately, and then began a final charge to bring down one of his opponents, a final charge to hell.
I detest A>B>C arguments, but Windu did best Sidious in their duel in RotS. I don't see why Mace doesn't stand an excellent chance of killing Count Dooku in a saber duel, given that Vaapad is more dangerous than Makashi - especially to dark siders. Mace's Shatterpoint ability (to which Dooku is susceptible to) gives him a second advantage, so I can see him winning in a lightsaber fight. It'd likely be as difficult as Windu vs. Sidious - but with Shatterpoint and Vaapaad's nature against dark siders, I'd firmly say that a duel would go to Mace.
In a Force fight? Well, that's something different. Contrary to popular belief, Windu is not a pushover in this area. Logical deduction must take effect, because if he is second only to Yoda (as well as a senior councilmember and the youngest councilmember in the Jedi's history) - then I'd say his Force powers and mastery supercede everyone else on the Council except for Yoda, and possibly by quite a bit.
Having said that, Count Dooku has access to his lexicon of dark side powers - which Mace Windu does not have. Dooku also has several decades more experience on Windu, which speaks of longer mastery and attunement to the Force. So, I can see Dooku taking the Force fight - but not easily.
Well mace windu did demonstrate force crush on GG before B.O.C and note that crush is disputed as a dark side power. But in a force fight i dont know who would win.
Yes i do know how deadly vaapad is, was lazy to type it out, neways thanks for typing it 🙂
I only use a>b>c when its resonable, in this scenrio, it is. Before using a>b>c i would have to look at the factors before i have to come up with this. If vaapad could put sidious down, it sure can to dooku because vaapad is effective towards dark siders, i read it on wiki and wookie, quite useful