Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You think that Apprentices never grew stronger then their masters in KOTOR or Pre-KOTOR periods?You are very stupid indeed!
"So the cycle continues" means that same thing continued from past.
You obviously aren't mature enough to understand a few lines!
What the hell does Exile, Bastilla and a few others have to do with large number of Jedi being killed by Sion and Nihilus?Have you totally lost your mind?
How is the achievement of Rebels (by destroying the "Death Star"😉 irrelevant?Because this event shows the failure of Emperor, so now it is irrelevant to you?
I can sense your baised approach here!
You can say the he was very "far-sighted" and smart.He would have realized that how powerful that new threat was so he needed some impressive firepower to ensure victory and Republic was very weak after the great Mandelorian war and was not powerful enough to defeat that threat by itself.
So, thats why he built his own powerful Empire.
I never denied that Revan never fell to Dark Side. He became a Dark Lord of the Sith but his intentions and purpose was different from most other Sith Lords.
And can you be more specific by mentioning some names, so that I could see that which most powerful Sith Lords of KOTOR and Pre-KOTOR periods were surpassed by Dooku and Vader.I am sensing "Super-Shadow" BS here!
Their purpose and mission was to stop Bastilla from using her "Battle Meditation".
They were not their to buy some time for Revan's team
Stop spouting BS![/Quote]
Stop someone in time for Revan to defeat Malak.
Sounds like buying time, moron.
I suggest that you shut up actually because you continue to throw bullshit comments again and again without even understanding what I am saying.Palpatine's goal was ultimate domination of the entire Galaxy. Revan's was not.
So what???Many ****ing Sith Lords made their damn Sith Holocrons.
OK! here are some examples of more powerful being defeated by less powerful:- Dooku was defeated by someone who was less powerful.
- Sidous had his @ss handed to him by Mace, who was less powerful but Anakin saved him.
- Marka Ragnos was defeated by someone who was less powerful.
- Darth Maul was defeated by someone who was less powerful.
Now! speak????
And you think that when "Palpatine will be glad to put a saber through that dazzling grin of Revan's", then Revan will just stand their and smile at him???
And yet it is hyperbolic and descriptions of fights in it often contradict with the way those fights happened in the movie.
Thia Game is based on a story that has been approved by Lucas Arts or whatever and all comments and events in it are actually canon and 100% approved.
[B]Star Forge started their downfall.It corrupted the Rakatan leaders and all of them turned on each other in lust for greater power. Hence the Civil War started and Empire Crumbled.
You have to look at the main thing that started their downfall. All other reasons are secondary.
NEC says it generally but it has been properly described and narrated in KOTOR that "Star Forge" started the downfall of the Infinite Empire.[/Quote[
That's great. It also said there was many other factors
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Lucas Arts (a G-canon source) approved these lines in the game before it was launched.
BIOWARE did not made-up this entire story by themselves.KOTOR game is completely canon and was fully reviewed by Lucas Arts before launch.
Point moot.
OK! fine!Revan knew "Force Storm" anyways and Bane demonstrated a similar "Force Storm" as well.
Their are two types of Force Storms:1 - Force Storm (wormhole) [demonstrated by Sidious]
2 - Force Storm (lightning) [demonstrated by Revan and Bane]
Description of Force Storm (Lightning):Force Storm was an extremely powerful dark side Force power and represented the pinnacle of the Force's power to manipulate electrons, proving more devastating even than the lethal Force lightning. The users raised their palm upward and through the Force accelerated the movement of airborne electrons, creating an explosion of electricity that the user then directed at all foes in the vicinity. It was used by both the Sith and Jedi with dark side tendencies during the Jedi Civil War. Unlike the weaker Force lightning, Force Storm was not limited to attacking enemies in one direction, as it affected all foes within a certain radius from the user.
Read what? your BS actually?
Well! OK!I believe that Revan did not fight Bastilla but do you think that Bastilla was powerful enough to stop him???
Good!But Revan was respected by the ultimate "Mandelore" himself (Who led his forces against the Republic). Even one of his personal followers was a powerful mandelorian "Canderous" who himself became a Mandelore later-on.
Guess what? Revan was most respected by them!
Does it matters?He wiped out as many as possible and Jedi Order was in ruins.
Well! you have a point here!LOL! Vima Sunrider would defeat Nihilus and Sion! hahahahaha!!!!!!
huh! both Thon and Vima would be crushed by them very easily.
Jedi Exile was lucky because she was "wound in the force". [/B]
I hear this so often and it never gets less amusing.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Continued....Show me a direct link!
How the hell do I link to ACTUAL BOOKS?
Moron.[Quote]
Nopes! Revan is on par with Yoda or very close!His accomplishments prove this!
His accomplishments? Wow, Thrawn must be TEH UBER WARRIOR!
Shame, but Yoda's still>Revan[Quote]
G-canon or C-canon or whatever!All materials that are considered canon are actually appoved by Lucas before being published or mentioned. Point moot.
G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.
C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters, Salporin, and Action VI Transports.
S-canon is "secondary" canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.
N-canon is "non-canon." What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.
Understand now? Novelizations>: anything other than a movie. ANY day of the week
Then Anakin!Anakin was not a body-builder or as heavily built as Malak was!
Game Stats are their to implement some logic in to the game. They have nothing to do with canon but much more to do with "Common Sense" that you seem to lack.
But you forgot to acknowledge it in your previous statement and only mentioned "Ataru" and "Compensation". So I had to remind you!
Same as you!Malak was a very good saber duelist. End of Story!
And???These are you words: "Sure it does. Older people use the fight to keep them going for the fight. Yoda could fight as long as he wanted with the Force, despite his age"
And you tried to tell me before that OLD people are better force users. What a moronic statement this is!
And this thread is not even about Yoda but instead it is about Dooku!
OK! my mistake! but who trained Darth Plaguies then?
So this statement led to Vader's downfall in the fight???You surely!!! well! what should I say??? Forget it!!!
Not my fault then!He was stronger and faster then Dooku, Mace and Obi-Wan as well but he could not out-class them because he was not a "Force User".
Their is no such thing as "less invincible" or "higher invincible".
Interesting battle. ROTS Sidious and Revan are going to occupy themselves, wreaking hell. Sidious has the advantage in darkside powers. Revan on the otherhand has knowledge in both sides of the force, dark and light, and his understanding in them is significant. He had knowledge of the alternate force storm incarnation ( lightning bolts originating from the sky to kill his enemies) and also loads of Sith technique that Bane feared no Sith Lord should ever use. He defeated an SF empowered Malak at least twice, and was commented as having stronger Jedi powers than Sith powers (which just speaks even more for him). In the end, I see Revan beating the ROTS incarnation of Sidious.
Malak would go after Dooku, and the battle would be a stalemate here. Malak defeated the leader of the Jedi guardians. Canderous even says to Kavar, "I thought you were dead." Dooku was a master of Makashi, and was obviously very skilled in swordplay...He stalemated a weaker Windu, but ultimately won because of his droids interference. They were both described as prodigies in the Jedi order.
Traya would fight against ROTS Vader. I cannot tell who wins, since she cannot use her instantkill. Traya's abilities in the force are immense. She tossed around three war hardened masters without so much as moving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lFOfJd8uE
How this translates with a single, stronger dark Jedi, I can't say.
Her position as Jedi librarian offered her a larger database to study with, and consequently a broader depth of knowledge in the force. Compounded with Malachor 5, I see her having an advantage over Ani in an all out force battle.
Either way, the battle will be close. If Vader were to engage her in a lightsaber, the outcome is partially an unkown, since we know next to nothing about Traya in the dueling department. However it is more likely he would win. In force powers, Traya would definately win.
In either case, I see Revan helping either Malak or Traya defeating their adversary. Afterwards, the trio gangs up on the last opponent.
Malak would go after Dooku, and the battle would be a stalemate here. Malak defeated the leader of the Jedi guardians. Canderous even says to Kavar, "I thought you were dead." Dooku was a master of Makashi, and was obviously very skilled in swordplay...He stalemated a weaker Windu, but ultimately won because of his droids interference. They were both described as prodigies in the Jedi order.
Stalemate? I hardly think so. Count Dooku is described as one of the very best that the Jedi Order ever had. Where was Malak's legendary status heralded? I don't see Malak being superior to Dooku in swordplay or in Force skills. I see him being notably inferior, and since Dooku is the ultimate master of Makashi - as well as a very powerful Force user - I see him thrashing Malak.
Traya would fight against ROTS Vader. I cannot tell who wins, since she cannot use her instantkill. Traya's abilities in the force are immense. She tossed around three war hardened masters without so much as moving.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8lFOfJd8uE
How this translates with a single, stronger dark Jedi, I can't say.
Her position as Jedi librarian offered her a larger database to study with, and consequently a broader depth of knowledge in the force. Compounded with Malachor 5, I see her having an advantage over Ani in an all out force battle.
Either way, the battle will be close. If Vader were to engage her in a lightsaber, the outcome is partially an unkown, since we know next to nothing about Traya in the dueling department. However it is more likely he would win. In force powers, Traya would definately win.
I agree that Traya will have the advantage in Force powers. But we saw what happened with Dooku. Dooku has been known to use the Force during lightsaber duels - and he switches often. But, when Anakin got into a frenzy, he was all over Dooku to the point that Tyranus was unable to open up for a Force attack.
Traya will have to use the Force before Anakin gets near her. I personally don't see that happening. Anakin's strength, agility, swordsmanship, and raw power likely exceeds hers by a mile and a half. I see him overwhelming Traya.
In either case, I see Revan helping either Malak or Traya defeating their adversary. Afterwards, the trio gangs up on the last opponent.
I see Dooku and Anakin helping Sidious WTFpwn Revan.
Thanks Escape81 (for your appreciation)
Lightsnake, you are funny but still a fine debator! 😉
My advice: Try to be more civil.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You're an idiot, k? The entire Sith cycle until the Brotherhood of Darkness was based on apprentices growing stronger. When the apprentice was strong enough, he'd kill the master. Don't put words into my mouth, troll
Hence Sidious tells Yoda "he will become more powerful then either of us" in ROTS.
Guess what? this thing was possible even in PT era so it did not stopped at "Brotherhood of Darkness".
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because under a hundred doesn't qualify as a large number in comparison, especially when Nihilus finished off most.god, suddenly they look less impressive!
How many Sith Lords has Yoda killed? (Not even one despite his immense power)
So, Sion accomplished much more!
Some details of Darth Sion:
Sion was a uniquely powerful individual, having learned the ways of pain in the Trayus Academy on Malachor. Torturing and killing others enhanced his strength in the Force, and his ability to feed on his own pain and hatred made him immortal. A master with a lightsaber and perhaps the most infamous Sith assassin of the era, Sion is known to be responsible for the death of countless Jedi during the shadow war waged by himself and Lord Nihilus.
Source: Wikipedia
And word "countless" has been used. Not "less then 100" that you have made-up!
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And we have at least thirty Jedi who survived the Purge.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Unless the Emperor was flying around in his own ship personally participating in the battle, it's irrelevant. He didn't care about the first Death Star. Hell, was he personall present? Nope, it's Tarkin's failure.
Also, how can you say that Emperor did not cared about loss of first "Death Star" weapon? [Note that SW-ANH movie was made in late 70's and Emperor was not even planned by Lucas during that time.]
Emperor was introduced in SW-ESB. But from both AOTC and ROTJ movies, we can conclude that Emperor was interested in operations of "Death Star" and thus he even ordered construction of a second "Death Star" after the destruction of the first one as seen in ROTJ.
So, don't assume things just by yourself.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You're an idiot. Plain and simple
Originally posted by Lightsnake
The Rebellion wasn't a factor at all until the first Death Star. Palpatine only saw it as an amusement
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Or because that's what EMPERORS do.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No it wasn't: "Rule and defend my territory." That simple
But Sidious built his Empire to rule the entire Galaxy with it.
Two different purposes are clear here!
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Only because you posted it. and Dooku and Vader would've shredded Sadow. And Tritos Nal. And Garu. And Kla. And Bo Vanda. Probably others.
OK! they surpassed "Sadow" but some will possibly disagree with you on this (not me though!)
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Right. Buy time
So I will repeat my words that they were not their to buy some time for Revan's team.
Revan's purpose was to stop Malak and possibly Bastilla (in-case other Jedi Knights fail)
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Stop someone in time for Revan to defeat Malak.Sounds like buying time, moron.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which is why he was planning to fight other Sith while conquering the galactic Republic.
Moron.
And if you are implying Revan here then he wanted support from Republic, but he knew that Jedi Council will not agree with him. So, he had no other choice but to take-over the Republic by force (if necessary).
Originally posted by Lightsnake
So, you kinda have to be, I dunno....Evil?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No he wasn't
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Palpatine: soon I will have a new apprentice. One younger and more powerful
Darth Tyranus was still more powerful then Anakin in ROTS. But Anakin was better then him in Saber Skills.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Last I checked, circumstances unknown
Mace defeated Sidious during fight in his office but sadly, Anakin saved his @ss. This happened in ROTS and thus circumstances our no unknown.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Seems Marka isn't so powerful after all
His case shows that even most powerful can be defeated by less powerful so this mentality that "most powerful always prevails" is wrong.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because he got arrogant
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sure! Irrelevant misdirection
Originally posted by Lightsnake
You're the one who brought up his 'charisma' which means jack in a fight. Kthxbai
You took it to a new stupid level.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Blah blah blah. I'm sensing an absence of proof from you.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
As are all the events in the books.
Hypocrite much.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And I'm sure the massive plague had nothing to do with it
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Right. STARTED
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Except the game is C-canon. According to The Holocron database, novelizations are of a higher level than game stories, while game stats are N-canon.
Btw: LA only approves things. They're not 'G-canon' because they're approved. That just makes them part of the canon
And once things become part of Canon, they should be given some merit.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Hey, idiot? It's called C-canon. Lower level than the movies and the novelizations.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove it! Neither matched the description of 'force storm' described when it was given the exact descrip.
For starters, there's no lightning
And if this power is not "Force Storm" then Bane never demonstrated a so called real "Force Storm" as well.
But since this new power has been mentioned as "Force Storm" in POD Novel so your points are moot.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Wrong. Revan's 'Force Storm' is just a blast of force lightning with a fancy name that's a game stat move
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And this comes from where? Hm?>
Originally posted by Lightsnake
The canon database, the books, a bit on logic, too[/QYOTE]
Canon database has not revealed much about events of KOTOR yet.[QUOTE=7760080]Originally posted by Lightsnake
Doesn't matter what I think. The canon's spoken
Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's great. Him and ten others. Ulic was respected by Mandalore the Indomitable, Han and Luke were respected by Boba Fett and Fenn Shysa and Mandalore the Ressurector...
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove it
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Big deal. Only time it was ever totally destroyed was Palpatine.
Fact.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why not? She was described as one of the greatest Jedi of her age
And Sion was also no push-over as he was considered to be immortal.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Same Thon who defeated a Sith powerful enough to turn a world's surface to ash?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I hear this so often and it never gets less amusing. [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thanks [B]Escape81 (for your appreciation)Lightsnake, you are funny but still a good debator! 😉
My advice: Try to be more civil.
Vader had the potential to surpass Sidious in power.Hence Sidious tells Yoda "he will become more powerful then either of us" in ROTS.
Guess what? this thing was possible even in PT era so it did not stopped at "Brotherhood of Darkness".
Wow! killing almost a 100 Jedi Knights and Masters is suddenly not impressive. Simply! Wow!
How many Sith Lords has Yoda killed? (Not even one despite his immense power)
So, Sion accomplished much more!
Some details of Darth Sion:Sion was a uniquely powerful individual, having learned the ways of pain in the Trayus Academy on Malachor. Torturing and killing others enhanced his strength in the Force, and his ability to feed on his own pain and hatred made him immortal. A master with a lightsaber and perhaps the most infamous Sith assassin of the era, Sion is known to be responsible for the death of countless Jedi during the shadow war waged by himself and Lord Nihilus.
Source: Wikipedia
And word "countless" has been used. Not "less then 100" that you have made-up!
And many among them also fell soon in KOTOR II.
That was not his duty. He had some capable generals at his command to do such things and those generals failed.
Also, how can you say that Emperor did not cared about loss of first "Death Star" weapon? [Note that SW-ANH movie was made in late 70's and Emperor was not even planned by Lucas during that time.]
Emperor was introduced in SW-ESB. But from AOTC and ROTJ, we can conclude that Emperor was interested in operations of "Death Star" and thus he even ordered construction of a second "Death Star" after the destruction of the first one.Don't make things up.
These kinds of words will not help you in your debate.Palpatine was an idiot then because he under-estimated the resolve of the Rebellion.
Well! I agree!Revan built his Empire to fight an enemy that was purhaps more dangerous then Mandeloran Armies.
But Sidious built his Empire to rule the entire Galaxy with it.
Two different purposes are clear here!
Now you make some sense!OK! they surpassed "Sadow" but some will possibly disagree with you on this (not me though!)
Those Jedi Knights were ordered by the Jedi Council to stop Bastilla from using her Battle Meditation.
So I will repeat my words that were not their to buy some time for Revan's team.Revan's purpose was to stop Malak and possibly Bastilla (in-case other Jedi Knights fail)
You call it as "buying time" but it is not like that. Those Jedi Knights were on a mission.
What other Sith, Sidious was planning to fight while conquering the Galactic Republic?And if you are implying Revan here then he wanted support from Republic, but he knew that Jedi Council will not agree with him. So, he had no other choice but to take-over the Republic by force (if necessary).
Well! Revan was Evil but not as much as others were!
Dooku was not more poweful then Anakin? Well! this is a separate debate.
Palpatine knew about Anakin's great potential so that's why he referred to him as more powerful.[/Quote
Mace Windu: Anakin Skywalker is one of the most mpowerful Jedi alive....and he's getting stronger
[Quote]
Darth Tyranus was still more powerful then Anakin in ROTS. But Anakin was better then him in Saber Skills.
You are being ignorant here!Mace defeated Sidious during fight in his office but sadly, Anakin saved his @ss. This happened in ROTS and thus circumstances our no unknown.
You under-estimate him now!His case shows that even most powerful can be defeated by less powerful so this mentality that "most powerful always prevails" is wrong.
Unfortunately, many Sith Lords suffer from the issue of "arrogance" and this includes ROTS Vader.
You have done the same now!Well! I mentioned it regarding his ability to inspire people to join or help him.
You took it to a new stupid level.OK! you take this one but still I have some trouble accepting everything that has been said in it because the movie shows a different view.
I agree that all the events of the ROTS movie have been described in its Novelization but the way they are expressed seem little confusing because after watching the movie, you get a different picture of some events.
Plague has played its role but very late. Most of the damage was done by the massive Civil War that was inspired by the Star Forge.
So, it was the main reason then!
KOTOR Novel is not far away.And once things become part of Canon, they should be given some merit.
OK! but KOTOR Novels are not far away.
This new form of "Force Storm" has been invented late but it has now become a part of EU.
And if this power is not "Force Storm" then Bane never demonstrated a so called real "Force Storm" as well.
But since this new power has been mentioned as "Force Storm" in POD Novel so your points are moot.
And it is still much more deadly and effective force power then normal "Force Lightning" and is on much bigger scale.
Try wikipedia!
Well! you did not answered my actual question yet? [/B]
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fine! and same Boba fett tried to kill them as well.A (soon-to-be) Mandelore even joined him and aided him in his fight against the Sith Empire. He did this all just due to immense respect.
"Great Jedi Purge" event was no less devastating.
What chance did she had against the Super Drain of Nihilus?And Sion was also no push-over as he was considered to be immortal.
Same questions for Thon as well!!!
It is canon now!
Originally posted by Lightsnake
His accomplishments? Wow, Thrawn must be TEH UBER WARRIOR!
Shame, but Yoda's still>Revan
Yes! Yoda is greater then all and yet he has accomplished nothing on the scale that Revan had in his time.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
By Lucas? No, it's his company and they're organized in a hierarchy.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters, Salporin, and Action VI Transports.
S-canon is "secondary" canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.
N-canon is "non-canon." What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Understand now? Novelizations>: anything other than a movie. ANY day of the week
And my points are based on what I have observed in the ROTS movie and not on its novelization.
Understand now?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Meaning nothing
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Still N-canon
Can't you use "common sense"?
LOGIC implies that "a person who is physically stronger then you, stands better chance at winning a fight against you", unless you hold a major advantage over such an opponent that he/she is vulnerable against.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
What's your point?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sure. Not as good, but good
Originally posted by Lightsnake
who said that? Just that they're able to fight as long as they want so long as they use the force to keep their energy going. Like Dooku and Yoda did
Dooku failed after all against a much younger and determined and angered opponent.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Unknown.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No. He was out of his mind with grief and rage over Padme. It's that simple
So, my previous points remain!
Originally posted by Lightsnake
He outclassed and slaughtered many Jedi knights AND masters, so?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Recognize a figure of speech [/B]
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Mandalore the Ultimate wasn't trying to kill revan? Mandalore the Indomitable didn't try to kill Ulic?
And this is a note-worthy achievement, which was accomplished by just due to being respected.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Less devastating than Palpatine's
But you cannot say that Jedi Order was only wiped out by only Palpatine in its 25,000 years of history.
Because the "Great Jedi Purge" event also resulted in the destruction of the Jedi Order.
So, actually it happened TWICE.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Let's cut Sion into pieces and see how immortal he is.
And how about you blow up Nihilus's ship? A proton torpedo'd work
Nihilus, especially was known to turn people or any other living beings in to his slaves just by his words that he could telekinetically narrate to an entire world from the deck of his ship.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
How'd he survive the massive blast that wiped out all life on a planet?
Still, Nihilus will come out as a TOP DOG vs him in a straight fight!
And Sion was also an excellent Duelist.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove up [/B]
Originally posted by Lightsnake
My advice: Take your own
Originally posted by Lightsnake
When you make all the Sith equal, that's exactly what it does. why do you think Bane was so angry? The Order stagnated. Of Anakin ahs the potential, however, not after Mustafar
Originally posted by Lightsnake
They didn't kill a hundred. Nihilus killed the ones on Katarr, which was anywhere from liike....ten to thirty, Sion's assassins killed some and the rest reformed the Order.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Several, actually. Possibly Bane, if the young Yoda book idea is pitched
Originally posted by Lightsnake
How many Dark Jedi has Yoda killed?
To quote: 'Legions."
Originally posted by Lightsnake
There goes that credibility...
Originally posted by Lightsnake
To quote Traya: "By the end of the Jedi Civil War, barely a hundred Jedi remained.
Btw, Wiki isn't a good source. For all I know, you just wrote that in!
The main problem is that information on "Star Wars: Databank" is not updated soon enough.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
By many, you mean 'four.'
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Revan was personally commanding and lost personally. So?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because things happen later to match with earlier continuity?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I think the EU has the outstanding ability to base books in different times...
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Last I checked, his apprentice almost broke the Rebellion in the second movie
Originally posted by Lightsnake
what was Revan gonna do after he beat the True Sith Empire? Happily surrender? No, he was going to rule as a tyrant overlord.
You have a point here though! 😉
Originally posted by Lightsnake
i don't really care. Sadow was pitiful
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which would've bought time for Revan to finish Malak...
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Exactly. They were there to back up Revan and buy him time
Originally posted by Lightsnake
To stop Bastila and thus BUY TIME for Revan to defeat Malak
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, revan meant to CONQUER the Republic, but keep it intact and use it to fight his rivals. That simple
Originally posted by Lightsnake
He kept Malak in power after he vaporized Telos, he murdered Senators...
Originally posted by Lightsnake
IN THE MOVIE: "I will have an apprentice younger and {I]More powerful[/I]
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, he was NOT. Palpatine ****ING SAYS HE'S NOT.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
To quote the Ultimate Visual guide: Too late does Mace ralize his opponent's greatest weapon is Anakin Skywalker
Movie Novelization: Palpatine's shatterpoint: He trusts Anakin Skywalker.
If Palp wasn't expecting Anakin, he'd have killed Mace
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sadly, that's how it works in the debate
Originally posted by Lightsnake
revan, too, apparently
Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's great. Doesn't help him here
Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's great
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Confusing or no: Still canon
Originally posted by Lightsnake
There was still the slave uprising, the Sith Defeat....
Originally posted by Lightsnake
One of them.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
There won't be a novelization of KOTOR. Books set in the time period, but that's it
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Proof?
Like it is rumoured that KOTOR III is under development but we are not sure on this.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It hasn't. It's a game stat name that's overridden by the definition of a REAL Force Storm, which was Palpatine's.
And if fancy lightning is a Force Storm, Palpatine uses one in Empire issue 4.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Pretty much
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where exactly? It was just called 'heat and fire.'
Originally posted by Lightsnake
So what? A Desert Eagle packs more punch than a beretta but they're both handguns and use bullets
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Actual source, please
LINK: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28lightning%29
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Repeat: Canon's spoken [/B]
My question was that do you believe that Bastilla was powerful enought to stop Revan?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Thrawn is irrelevant here!Yes! Yoda is greater then all and yet he has accomplished nothing on the scale that Revan had in his time.
Lucas Arts is also part of his company? no?
Good information! I appreciate this!And ROTS movie shows a different picture of fights that has been expressed in hyperbolic fashion in its novelization so Movie is greater Canon then it.
And my points are based on what I have observed in the ROTS movie and not on its novelization.Understand now?
It means something! yes indeed!Why do you put this canon shit everywhere?
Can't you use "common sense"?
LOGIC implies that "a person who is physically stronger then you, stands better chance at winning a fight against you", unless you hold a major advantage over such an opponent that he/she is vulnerable against.
My point was that you credited Yoda's fighting ability only to "Ataru" and "Compensation" and yet he clearly demonstrated "Force Speed" during his fights, which enhanced his effectiveness.
It is good indeed but you under-estimate his fighting potential!
Well! Yoda was just one!Dooku failed after all against a much younger and determined and angered opponent.
Fine!But he was very determined to kill Obi-Wan and he also looked over-confident at the end of his fight when he told Obi-Wan that "I have learned some new powers" and Obi-Wan adviced him not to try those powers.
So, my previous points remain!And names of these are?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I agree! but one of the commanders of "Mandelore - The Ultimate" actually joined Revan to help him in his struggle against the mighty Sith Empire, simply due to immense respect for Revan.And this is a note-worthy achievement, which was accomplished by just due to being respected.
OK! fine!But you cannot say that Jedi Order was only wiped out by only Palpatine in its 25,000 years of history.
Because the "Great Jedi Purge" event also resulted in the destruction of the Jedi Order.
So, actually it happened TWICE.And you forgot that they could sense the presence of enemies too and would do something as well.
Nihilus, especially was known to turn people or any other living beings in to his slaves just by his words that he could telekinetically narrate to an entire world from the deck of his ship
Depends upon the situation.Still, Nihilus will come out as a TOP DOG vs him in a straight fight!
And Sion was also an excellent Duelist.
Story of KOTOR II was also approved by Lucas Arts so it is now C-Canon.
"The Shadow War" waged by Nihilus and Sion was not fully shown in KOTOR II. The events of KOTOR II actually took place after that Shadow War in which they killed thousands of Jedi.
But not on the level of Nihilus and Sion. They wiped out the entire Jedi Order.
Wikipedia actually narrates all the information that is part of both C-Canon and G-Canon, so it is not a bad source to rely upon.
As shown in game, but more die as well.
He lost due to betrayal. Otherwise! he was unstoppable.
Malak was the best choice he (Revan) had by that time as his apprentice.
Dooku > ROTS Anakin in Force knowledge.
Palpatine was a manipulator and he wanted a young apprentice and Anakin was good choice
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=7761249
Hmm! a possibility but things looked pretty bad for Sidous though.
I have heard rumours only but rumours often become true.Like it is rumoured that KOTOR III is under development but we are not sure on this.
It is C-Canon now!
One is a name for a powerful blast of lightning.
One is a giant hyperspace wormhole that can devour fleets
Originally posted by Escape81
Where was Malak's legendary status heralded?
The masters of the Jedi order acknowledged Revan and Malak as being the most talented and powerful Jedi that they ever saw in the order. This is based on conversations in Dantooine.
I don't see Malak being superior to Dooku in swordplay or in Force skills.
Based on what? More years of experience?
Until I see proof that “Count Superman” spent each waking day after his time as BM perfecting Makashi…I remain skeptical. Much of those “years of experience” after his time as a Jedi could have been spent in politics and scheming, in which case those “80 years” does not automatically translate into “80 years of combat experience”.
Malak, although younger spent the majority of his life in battle, and we know it. He was the one actually executing Revan’s plans with brutal precision on the battlefield. Not only in the Mandalorian wars, but also in the Sith/Jedi war, where he defeated the leader of the Jedi Guardians, the best duelist of the Jedi Order.
I regard Dooku stalemating a weaker Windu as a faulty premise to base a conclusion that he would automatically beat Malak.
For that matter, by what basis do you go by when you say that Dooku actually defeating someone , say Sora Bulq, translates into him defeating the one of the best duelists of the KOTOR era?
And force skills? They both seemed fairly equal in this area. Dooku was able to use force lightning, wave, choke, all of which are standard Sith skills. Malak was also shown to have these abilities when he slaughtered two Jedi knights by choking them both and then shocking them with lightning. If we go by an official add on to DE sourcebook, Malak was also well versed with Sith Sorcery (drains etc., we see this in Star Forge when he drains the Jedi knights)
I retain my position that they are at least equal.
Traya will have to use the Force before Anakin gets near her.
Insomuch as the demonstration of her force wave simultaneously on three warhardened masters was effortless and instantaneous (as in she did not even have to lift a hand), I see her being able to perform a force wave to throw Anakin off his feet albeit with difficulty (perhaps a lot).
Could someone list the parameters of this fight even? If we are talking about a standard 40 feet, I don’t think Anakin will be able to close the distance fast enough. Traya’s demonstration of the force wave was almost instantaneous. She could follow through with lightning, or something, and bruise up Anakin and win. Or the battle can take place 10-15 feet of one another in which case I do not know whether Traya will be able to push Anakin back fast enough.
raw power
Raw power does not necessarily guarantee victory. Mace had less “raw power” than Sidious, yet he won their duel. Equivalent to this, Anakin had more raw power than Sidious, but was not in a combat sense stronger.
With restrictions imposed on Traya, I can see this battle turning either way. However 6 times out of 10 I say the KOTOR team inches past.