Sparrabeth

GRRRRRR
*rips and tears and virtual writers*

Oh...that is so....so...so....wrong. How could the writers, even in a first draft, seem to write the characters so OOC? They created the characters in the first place! How could they plan to use the most awesome (and profit-making) character is such a way?

"WILL: You know what?

ELIZABETH: What?

WILL: The scoundrel deserved it.

Elizabeth can't help a smile"

^^^ Why must they hurt us in this way? *sob*

WHY??? Does this just seem totally weird for anyone else? That the writers would get this all...weird..like? I can't believe this script, the only thing I can say is the writers must've been in a huuuge hurry or had a severe case of writers block and this is what they came up with. Grrrrr....

*pants from exersion of rant - SSL needs to work out more.*

😑 Yeah.I read it on Tasty Pirates forum.Were the writers out of their minds when they wrote this?It's so OOC for Will and Liz both.They wouldn't act this wax.

Originally posted by savvysparrowluv
GRRRRRR
*rips and tears and virtual writers*

Oh...that is so....so...so....wrong. How could the writers, even in a first draft, seem to write the characters so OOC? They created the characters in the first place! How could they plan to use the most awesome (and profit-making) character is such a way?

"WILL: You know what?

ELIZABETH: What?

WILL: The scoundrel deserved it.

Elizabeth can't help a smile"

^^^ Why must they hurt us in this way? *sob*

WHY??? Does this just seem totally weird for anyone else? That the writers would get this all...weird..like? I can't believe this script, the only thing I can say is the writers must've been in a huuuge hurry or had a severe case of writers block and this is what they came up with. Grrrrr....

*pants from exersion of rant - SSL needs to work out more.*

Well, I found a beautiful sparrabethy song I want to share in my own small attempt to raise the spirits. Its called "The Flame" by Cheap Trick 😄

Another night slowly closes in,
And I feel so lonely.
Touching heat freezing on my skin,
I pretend you still hold me.
Im going crazy, Im losing sleep.
Im in too far, Im in way too deep over you.
I cant believe youre gone.
You were the first, youll be the last.

Wherever you go, Ill be with you.
Whatever you want, Ill give it to you.
Whenever you need someone to lay your heart and head upon.
Remember: after the fire, after all the rain,
I will be the flame.
I will be the flame.

Watching shadows move across the wall,
I feel so frightened.
I wanna run to you, I wanna call,
But Ive been hit by lightening.
Just cant stand up for fallin apart.
Cant see through this veil across my heart, over you.
Youll always be the one.
You were the first, youll be the last.

Wherever you go, Ill be with you.
Whatever you want, Ill give it to you.
Whenever you need someone to lay your heart and head upon.
Remember: after the fire, after all the rain,
I will be the flame.
I will be the flame.

Im going crazy, Im losing sleep.
Im in too far, Im in way too deep over you.
Youll always be the one.
You were the first, youll be the last.

Wherever you go, Ill be with you.
Whatever you want, Ill give it to you.
Whenever you need someone to lay your heart and head upon.
Remember: after the fire, after all the rain,
I will be the flame.
I will be the flame.

Whatever you want, Ill give it to you.
Wherever you go, Ill be with you.
And whatever you want, Ill give it to you.

awwww, pretty song savvy!!! 😄

*goes off to download and listen!!!* 🙂

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Well.....I've just found something that has made my stomach turn...this is from the very first orginal rough draft of AWE script.....:

link:http://z8.************.com/Tasty_Pirates/index.php?showtopic=353&st=840&#entry3342198

And here's one that absolutely had to be cut, or Will and Elizabeth would end up looking like monsters:

QUOTE

EXT. BLACK PEARL - DAY

Elizabeth takes Will aside.

ELIZABETH: There can be no secrets between. Not now.

WILL: No.

ELIZABETH: Jack was never a hero. I was selfish. I sent him to his death, to save us all. That is why I went to rescue him.

WILL: I was afraid ... you were falling in love with him.

ELIZABETH: I'm sorry. Afterwards ... I thought perhaps I was not worthy of you.

WILL: You know what?

ELIZABETH: What?

WILL: The scoundrel deserved it.

Elizabeth can't help a smile.

WILL (CONT'D): No secrets. I am the one who betrayed the location of the island. I did it to save you.

Be veryVeryVERY thankful that at least they didn't try and foist THAT off on us!

How the Pieces of Eight finally get used

QUOTE

Midships, Barbossa lays out the eight collected items.

BARBOSSA: Pr'aps eight out of nine will do the trick. How do we know 'till we try?

Tia Dalma -- still tied and chained -- shakes her head.

TIA DALMA: No. I am sorry. Magic is funny that way.

Barbossa stares at the items -- and has a sudden realization.

BARBOSSA: The letters ...
(calls)
The Letters! Will! The Letters of Marque!

Barbossa strides across the deck.

BARBOSSA (CONT'D): Beckett used his ring to stamp this, yes?

ELIZABETH: Yes ...

BARBOSSA: Yes!
(To Tia Dalma)
The symbol is the same, from the same ring. Might it work?

TIA DALMA: It might. Magic is funny that way.

Crew members take note of the activity, start to gather around

WILL: I cannot think of a reason not to try.

ELIZABETH: And quickly!

Barbossa piles the eight talismans onto the Letters of Marque. Douses it all with lamp oil, lights it on fire.

You know the drill from there. Sigh. So Giant Tia Dalma was in the first draft and DIDN'T get re-written. Someone must've really wanted that in there...

And the nasty part from this first draft that I hated, hated hated. Will stabs the heart because Jack has fallen from the rigging and both Chest and Key fell next to Will. He picks up Norrington's sword and stabs the heart. Stealing Jack's immortality, and making the whole thing an accident, rather than a sacrifice Jack made because he's a good man. EVERYONE would have hated that ended, even the hard core E/W shippers.

Before you complain about "cut" E/J bits in AWE, consider the first draft script. Will and Elizabeth more or less use Jack and throw him away. And laugh about it. This is why I think things were so VERY disjointed in AWE. If the final script wasn't written and new scenes being written and re-written by the hour...I can see why some things just don't quite make sense. Some are just left overs from the previous version. They weren't exactly practicing clean editing techniques.

OMG OMG OMG OMG>......Will and Elizabeth were basically using Jack, left him to the mercy of Beckett and Davy and then laugh about it......after all that Jack has done for them...thank goodness AWE was edited.....I tell you all...I can hardly contain myself...just what in the world is wrong with Ted and Terry...they know how much little children, people from 2 to 90 (as Johnny says) love Jack Sparrow...what would they think if Liz and Will used Jack this way....it would make Jack look totally dufus...like he was so good even the Whelp and the Gove's Daughter could take advantage of him......sick, I tell you...just plain sick....so this must have been what Johnny objected to when he called them out to his yahct that night...no way would he stand for Captain Jack being used as such!

what the f*ck?

well, i guess we all knew that. just as you said, the film was VERY disjointed, hundreds of weird loose ends, and no one ended well. half of it made no sense. the spectacle itself- cinematography, etc, were great, but the whole film never came together for me and this explains why. though, we had rumours of such things. Will is such a bastard. who could possibly like him? "the scoundrel deserved it?" yeah, definitely. for coming back to save all their asses, for kissing the whore what ruins every man's life, for being a good man when he should have rowed like hell to the nearest island and stayed there. pardon my strong language, it's well meant.

so, i guess what we can conclude from this is:

1. fame and wealth ruin writers' ability to write.

2. t and t are sadists who got manipulated by the big bosses

3. someone, somewhere massively discounted the charm of C.J.Sparrow, and thought it would be possible to make the audience think he deserved to die a horrible death.... this is what happens when there is too much bureaucracy and not enough listening to fans. 😉

4. Gibbs and Barbossa didn't get enough screentime

5. Will and Liz deserve each other AND the lack of sex that will come with that tragic pairing's end.

alright, done with me rant. haha.

I know.....knowing what we know now...Jack should have rowed his boat toward that island and let that slimy little whelp bastard and that little snitty **** drown and get swallowed by the kracken........

I swear T and T have to be two of the biggest jerks ever!
Why were they thinking....did they honestly think the audience would even remotely except something like this...NOT...that's why they had to change things frantically...and I guarantee...that it was this script that caused Johnny to call out gore and jerry and t and t over to his yahct during the middle of the night...can anyone blame him for being upset about this..I think not.

Think about the Captain Jack Sparrow that we were introduced to in COTBP and the Jack Sparrow that evolved in DMC...do we honestly think that this is how things were going to end up for him....thank goodness Johnny was able to get them to change this horrible script.....but sadly he had to be reduced to clucking like a chicken...eating a peanut, making eyes at a goat......jeez........I wonder what Johnny thought when he saw himself in that multiple Jack sequence.....

sorry....I was ranting....but this new discovery of what T and T were originally thinking...even after the kiss of death....makes me just want to scream.....I'm so angry i can't even type right and spell correctly! LOLOLOLOLOL

dont worry, tigers!!! 🙁

i think the important part of this new bit of info is the fact that it didnt make it into the film....

I think the writer would have realised what a big mistake they were making...they know that the other characters respect jack in those films, the actors show that in their performances...

And the fans would have gone ballistic!

...like now...

those writer are gonna wish they have never written that scene lol

it's just so sad. here they were, sitting on the most profitable film series in the industry, with the most beloved and obsessed-over characters since Star Wars, with a pop-culture phenomenon, and the ability to pretty much write whatever the hell they wanted for film 3--- endless money, endless possibilities, the best actors in the business, a great story to work from, everything. And THAT'S what they were sitting in their offices writing? THAT'S the best they could come up with??? COME ON. We came up with better typing random smut in between classes and jobs. And no one was paying us $3,000 a word.

LMAO!!!! 😄

You know...i wonder if...given a chance...they would ever go back and re-write anything that they originally did???

Hell....if I re-wrote the whole 3rd film, im sure i could make it work better than the car-wreck that they turned it into lol 🙂

Dont get me wrong, i REALLY admire their work and i think they are amazing writers...but you were right, kate! They were probably pressured by the bigger bosses into writing the story in a way that they didnt want to...

shame really 🙁

Miz KatelovesPirate, Bravo, chiquita--without a doubt on a bad day you talented pirates could have off-handedly produced an excellent PotC3 without so much as marking out a syllable. Cristos, somebody got their foot of the throat of the Pirates and seemed to want to stomp the life out of the last one. How gross--time to flush the toliet on this one and let the stuff be gone--yucko.

I'm going to take an unpopular stance here. Yes, I fully agree that the first draft makes Will and Liz out to be well, asses. And no one would have wanted their heroes to take another human life so lightly, especially that of a friend that has looked after both of them like Jack has.
BUT, the reason this is a first draft and not in the final film is that T&T took a second glance at what they wrote and realized it was OOC and no good. Maybe they wrote it late at night or in a hurry or just weren't thinking and then after a good night's sleep they reviewed and realized, "Wow, Will and Liz don't act like that. We have to change this."
So we have the movie that we have, and for all it's faults, it's much better than the first drafts in that:

1. The stabbing of the heart is a sacrifice for friendship rather than stealing someone's plan
2. I don't think Liz should have pleaded to Jack for him to make Will stab the heart. She's not supposed to be thinking clearly, she shouldn't want to "use" Jack anymore, and I don't think that thought would even enter her head. It's much nobler that Jack does it without being asked, proving he really is a good man with his priorities in order.
3. It's a good thing that Will and Liz's below-decks scene is about them rather than them snickering about Jack. At this point, Jack is safe and with them and they've been through hell getting him back. Now they can concentrate on their relationship. It doesn't work for her to confess to Will what she did beforehand because she's too wracked with guilt to do that. What she did is eating her up inside. It would be impossible to make her laugh at Jack's expense. Secondly, Will is more concerned about saving his dad and fixing things with Liz. If he learns that Jack didn't seduce Liz into kissing him, he has no reason to be mad at Jack at all.

So, T&T realized these things and rewrote it.

That's not an unpopular stance. they fixed maybe half the problems, in my mind. that leaves a good half they didn't fix, though. in my humble opinion. haha.

Oh yeah. AWE has problems. Like you said, though, about half of them got fixed. They still kept the awkward electric guitar in the parlay scene, which otherwise is kickass, uh, no backstory for Jack and Beckett, no real closure of any kind for Jack and Liz, what's up with Gibbs hooking up with diseased whores, Attack of the 50 Foot Woman who really doesn't do anything, a mixed up romance that gets fixed too quickly, uh.... the premature deaths of Norrington, Swann, and Sao. Am I leaving anything out?

Maybe T&T were just stoned for that first draft, like the kids on That 70s Show.

(Smokey basement, they sit with Gore and Johnny)

Terry: Dude, how about we have Tia grow 50 feet?

Ted: Why?

Terry: Who cares? She can grow out of her clothes and be naked!

Johnny: (singing) Blue jean baby, LA lady, seamstress for the band...

Gore: (laughing a lot) Who thought up the name Tia? It sounds like a drink. I'll have a Tia on the rocks. Ha ha ha, I'll have a Naomie on the rocks. Bazing!

Johnny: (singing) And you can tell everybody this is your song...

Terry: What about another annoying kid singing at the beginning? People responded to little Elizabeth with her American accent and freckles.

Ted: Ooh! This kid should be a cripple! No! A dork! Like Peter Parker. Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can...

Gore: Braces are funny. Let's do braces.

Johnny: (singing) Listen to me good. I'm sleepin' by myself tonight...

Gore: Does anyone else hear an Elton John medly?

Ted: Dude! I thought it was just me.

okay, that was my fav thing you've ever written aside from your novel. that is sooooo what haappened.

LMAO LMAO LMAO!!!! 😆 Willo that was hilarious!!! Yes that would be the only logical explanation over that HIDEOUS WRECK of a first draft!! No one in their right mind would right something like that!! Horrible!! That was just wrong what they did!!

You know when i went to see Ted n Terry one of the questions asked was: out of everything you have done which is your favorite? Terry answered Dead Man's Chest n Mask of Zorro and Ted said AT WORLDS END! Hmmmmm!

That 70s Script Writing Cont'd

(Smoky basement. The camera pans to the head of whoever's talking)

Ted: So, Jack D, Jackie D, Daven...

Jack Davenport: (laughing) Those aren't my names!

Ted: Well, we invited you here to tell you you don't get Elizabeth at the end.

Terry: In spite of what we promised you.

Jack: What do I get?

Gore: (just going nuts) You know, Disney censors me way too much, man! First with the whole Will/Liz thing that I have to pretend I like, then no bad teeth for anyone anymore. It's a conspiracy! I swear they need to unthaw the main Man, dudes. Walt was all for smut and pillaging.

Jack: What do I get to do? Who do I end up with?

Terry: You end up with a nice sword through your heart, but you do get to kiss Keira.

Ted: Who hasn't? Nudge nudge.

Jack: That's it? Does this happen near the end?

Terry: About a third in, wouldn't you say, Ted? Ted?

Ted: Guys, not trying to bring the circle down, but I think I'm in love with Keira.

Gore: That's all I need to explain to Michael Eisner. Hey, Mike, another old guy on the set wants to bag Keira. Can we replace her with Miss Marple?

Jack: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You know who else is hot? Matt Lauer.

Originally posted by PirateDiva
LMAO LMAO LMAO!!!! 😆 Willo that was hilarious!!! Yes that would be the only logical explanation over that HIDEOUS WRECK of a first draft!! No one in their right mind would right something like that!! Horrible!! That was just wrong what they did!!

You know when i went to see Ted n Terry one of the questions asked was: out of everything you have done which is your favorite? Terry answered Dead Man's Chest n Mask of Zorro and Ted said AT WORLDS END! Hmmmmm!

Ted needs to have his head examined! The man definetly must be on crack! What person in their right mind could call AWE their favorite...what a bunch of mumbled jumbled blotched up peice of writing......the only saving grace in AWE was the actors...without them.....kaplonk!