Well....I think the Sparrabeth "moments" that we did get in AWE was all Johnny and Keira's doing...they were the ones who gave the subtle looks, the gestures...that connection between them...despite Ted and Terry's masacre of what could have been and should have been one of the greatest love stories ever told....
jack's first look at Elizabeth in AWE...in Purgatory....
Walks over to Liz and she is looking at him "we're here, this is real"
Jack is speechless...
The Locker You say....
Instead of being mean to her and upset with her as he was with Barbossa who had betrayed him.....he is speechless with Elizabeth....and he eventually forgives her!
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Oh yeah. AWE has problems. Like you said, though, about half of them got fixed. They still kept the awkward electric guitar in the parlay scene, which otherwise is kickass, uh, no backstory for Jack and Beckett, no real closure of any kind for Jack and Liz, what's up with Gibbs hooking up with diseased whores, Attack of the 50 Foot Woman who really doesn't do anything, a mixed up romance that gets fixed too quickly, uh.... the premature deaths of Norrington, Swann, and Sao. Am I leaving anything out?
Nope that pretty much sums it up....reminds me of our thread we had once upon a time....The Plot Holes of AWE!
it's like to what point and purpose was the exchange between Beckett and Will....where he tells Will they both left their mark on each other....we know Beckett must have branded jack with the P...but if all you ever watch is the movies...and don't get on the internet and read the pedia site.....or learn about the PS2/XBox games - or whatever...then you have no idea that Jack was forced into Piracy for rebellling against the EITC's devious missions and setting 100 slaves free...and that the people in Tia's bayou may in fact be those people...thus their tears at the end of DMC when they "feel" jack's death..as Gibbs says "the world is already a less brighter place without Jack Sparrow"...that scene was so dark and gloomy.....you just knew they were setting us up for something really big in AWE.....oh that's right they did...but little did we know it was going to be a Gigantic Tia Dalma who burst into a trillion crabs....huh?
If you think about it.....many of Beckett's lines were just lines to have him talk..they beared no forshadowing at all.....when you take AWE into consideration..."Jack Sparrow must find himself a place in the new world or perish."???? "Ah a marriage interrupted or fate intervenes."????
and you know what gets me the most is that when u really think about it Elizabeth's feelings for Jack and Will developed at the same time!
I mean yes she had a crush on Will and they sort of grew up together but they werent even all that close to begin with, when we first saw them it was awkward between them there wasnt any special bond or anything to indicate that they spent a lot of time together and were really close friends. All we got was a feeling that Will admired her and that Liz was happy to see a friend that she hadnt seen in awhile.
And if you really think about it Liz had known Jack all her life too because she read about him. We get the sense that she fantazied over what it would be meet Captain Jack Sparrow. When he saved her and Norrington exposed who he was, Liz knew exactly who Jack was. And him rescuing her automatically bonded them.
So when she gets kidnapped and Jack and Will go after her it really was anyones game because no one really had any claim over her. It's not like Liz was with Will at the time and they hadnt even admitted any kind of feelings to each other. And to be honest Jack was the first one to ever really be alone with Elizabeth, and the first one she ever really got inapproprietly close too.
So in my opinion the writers could have had liz gone in Jack's direction as well because her feelings for them both developed at the same time and the amount of time Liz spent with Jack could have justified Jack and Liz.
I mean if when Curse of the Black Pearl started and we saw that Will and Liz already had admitted to each other that they liked each other and that they were semi-dating n stuff like they had some sort of claim on each other and then Jack came into the picture i would understand, but they werent. They werent even comfortable around each other. So it just really annoys when people say that Will and Liz are meant to be because they liked each other from before and they have a longer story because it's not true. Jack and Liz have a long story too because she has known about Jack as long as she has known Will, maybe even longer!!!
Plot Holes of AWE... that was a great thread. i miss it.
it's so true "Jack must find his place in the new world"... "Fate intervenes"... well, screw that idea, apparently everything Beckett EVER said in the series becomes null and void visa vi his death. haha. poor guy, no credibility with the writers whatsoever.
AWE really does make the compass a macguffin, as much as they tried to convince us it wasn't.
You know, back to what their favorite movies were that they wrote, I'm surprised neither one of them said Shrek or the first POTC movie, which I think, are the movies closest to perfect. I can see how DMC would be very rewarding to write. You already know your characters so you don't have to introduce them, you can expand a story you may have been toying with earlier, and the actual key/chest/davy/tia plot is very complex and ties in so well to what's going on with the trio. But I'm just surprised they didn't say Shrek, which is about perfect as far as movies go, and COTBP, which did so much for them and for piracy. It pretty much kick-started Keira's career, transitioned Orlando from playing an elf who never talked to being able to do other stuff, and brought Johnny his Oscar nomination and the serious regard he deserved. They introduced characters we all felt we had met before in a dream or something like that.
Kate, want to expand on the pot circle? Maybe connect it to sparrabeth since it is after all, on the sparrabeth thread. lol
here's the last circle! 🙂
Aw, I've seen the finale. Believe me, there are a few things about the series I'd change. But I will use it for some T&T ribbing.
(in the smoky basement)
Ted: So, I just want to get this out now. Keira is going to kiss every guy in the series under 45.
Keira: Does that count the penguin?
Terry: Penguin? You know, we should write in a penguin. We'll name it Jack.
Special Guest Star Cheech Marin: Hey, man, there's enough animals in these movies. Let the chick kiss humans for once. I'm tired of the girl on animal action.
Keira: Sorry, Waddles. Our time will come. (pats an invisible flipper) Not here, my love. Wait.
Terry: So, we can cross Orlando and Johnny off the list. My gut is telling me Geoffrey would just be gross and seeing how Davy Jones is of a different species...
Ted: Technically that would work if we did write in a penguin...
Terry: Keira's going to kiss Chao and Jack and she's going to look like she hates every minute.
Keira: Waddles is the jealous type. He beat Johnny senseless last summer.
Cheech: What's with the violence, man? In my day, we was all about love, man.
Terry: That's what POTC needs: love. Ooh! Ooh! Let's see what the guys have to say about it.
(They kick out Cheech and Keira and invite Johnny and Orlando to get high with them)
Orlando: Where'd this basement come from? What building are we in?
Ted: Shhh! Mrs. Matthews will hear us.
(Voice from upstairs)
Voice: You boys want some cookies?
All: No!
Orlando: (laughing) Hey, I've kissed Keira.
Johnny: I think everyone at the table has. (thinks) Oh wait, just half! Ha ha, you guys should have been actors and not screenwriters. Keira likes to tongue.
Ted: We're going to have her kiss a whole boatload of guys and then kiss Orlando again and just let the kids go nuts.
Johnny: Do I get to kiss Naomie?
Ted: No.
Johnny: Damn. (looks down at floor, then starts laughing) Oh, PS, guys, I am either engaged or married, don't remember which, to a model! Yeah, you guys should have been actors instead of screenwriters.
Ted: I've kissed Vanessa.
Terry: So have I.
Orlando: So have I.
Johnny: (starts laughing) Hey, me too! You guys have any kids with her? (they shake heads)
Orlando: Back to the movie, maybe Vanessa should make a cameo. We'll call her Pirate 69.
Johnny: Let's not do that. I like her clean. She'll look all trashy and American as a pirate.
Terry: (becoming a violent stoner) I don't like your anti-American jibes, Depp!
Ted: (comes between them) Terry, no! He didn't mean it. He's our star! He's where the money is! Johnny, tell Terry you're sorry.
Johnny: What were we talking about?
Orlando: I thought the movies were about me.
Ted: You're just filler.
All of those are so beautiful! It's so nice to have a visual to go along with what my mind's imagined for so long. They are very well done, especially the first one. I've always imagined that Jack and Liz would go to a lot of scenic places like that and disappear for a while, pretend they're the only people on earth. Just gorgeous.