Sparrabeth

I actually see a lot of PePe in Jack. He has a way with women even if he isn't romantic like PePe ...He's blindly optimistic and refuses to believe a situation is really BAD. He plays it kinda cool throught the whole thing. Through in Buggs Bunny, a drunk rockstar like Keith Richards, a fast talking trickster, a bit of a fool and few Johnny Depp special effects and...Voila! You got Captain Jack Sparrow.

Perhaps JAck would be rather frightened if Elizabeth through herself at him...considering the fact that it would be rather unlike her, a bit of a turnoff and against the principle of their relationship but he would warmm up to the idea in no time.

I'm with you so far, tee, except for whether or not he would freak out if she came onto him. I'm not sure either way. I can easily see him being afraid of her and not wanting to commit to something like that out of fear, but at the same time, she came onto him in the Curiosity scene, and he seemed to really enjoy it and also let her be the dominant one when they kissed, so I really don't know how he would react to her. My best guess is that he'd be suspicious at first, but throw all caution to the wind, no matter how many times he's been burned doing that before.

That's true. I never considered the fact that SHE was the one who cam eonto him half the time and he was totally okay with THAT.

I caught up on some posts I've missed and I have to point out something about the first draft script. I don't think it's real...not at all. I'm a great T&T fan...even after AWE. I memorize Terry's screenwriting essays on Wordplayer like one memorizes the lyrics to their favorite rock band. There's a section called rules of screenplay regarding characters and one of Terry's top rules is that the other characters should never verbaly insult the main character as it will create the immediate effect in the mind of the audience that it's REALLY true about the character.

Perhaps I'm pulling a "blind optimism" a la Captain Jack Sparrow here but I refuse to believe that he would forget that rule even in their first draft. I know Ted and Terry by personality by this point. Terry is the stubborn and a tad more aggressive part of the duo. He's super sarcastic and I'll bet my bottom dollar he's responsible for a great deal of our favorite Captain's traits. Another rule he put a stress on was never pointing out the obvious. Will giving up the island to save Elizabeth is an obvious that both characters are aware of...I'm just hoping despite all the proofs that T&T didn't forget their own words in writing the first draft. Seems like they did though...you can nevr be sure. Maybe it's real afterall

Well, even if it's real, it's a first draft. They saw something was wrong with it and changed it. It may have even been what's called a skeleton. I don't know if the term is in screenwriting, but in the novel/short story world, a skeleton is just the bare plot and basic characterization of a story. You save only the best lines and the overall feel and then make another draft. They may have been playing with dialogue to create a mood or develop character. But the point is that it's obviously not what wound up on the finished film.

You're right, tee. T&T don't like a lot of exposition and obvious-stating. They even say in the DMC commentary, give the audience 2 and 2 and let them make 4.

or, in some cases, just give the audience 2 and expect them to make 4... 😉

as is the case with at least one big thing in each movie

COTBP: The Aztec gold curse. There were a lot of plotholes there.
DMC: The freakin' compass that I hate so much because it just ruins lives
AWE: The Flying Dutchman curse. I'm a very educated person and I didn't "infer" that Will was free after the first ten years. The movie gave me no indication of that whatsoever.

I agree that if it was real it was probably a skeleton.
I also agree on all three points there willo.
COTBP: The Aztec gold curse was hard to understand. I had to watch it a few times before I understood it fully.
DMC: The compass WAS damn confusing! It it's pointing to Jack don't expect us to figure out that it's just pointing to his general direction.
AWE: Will's curse just leaves too much room for imagination.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
as is the case with at least one big thing in each movie

COTBP: The Aztec gold curse. There were a lot of plotholes there.
DMC: The freakin' compass that I hate so much because it just ruins lives
AWE: The Flying Dutchman curse. I'm a very educated person and I didn't "infer" that Will was free after the first ten years. The movie gave me no indication of that whatsoever.

it's interesting that they had big problems with something in all three films... and all of those issues related to the magical/mythical side of the films. maybe they should have written a magic objects and curses 101 manual to accompany the films for viewers to have on hand in case of confusion. 😉

You're right, Kate. It's like they have the pirate/fighting stuff down, but the supernatural stuff slows them down. I mean, I get in the first film Barbossa can't taste food, can't feel the wind on his face, etc. But wouldn't that mean that no matter what you did to fight them, they wouldn't react? But Pintel and Ragetti react in pain all the time (example: Liz empties coals onto them when they break into her house), and Will seems to at least weaken some of them before he's knocked out. So that gets me.

The compass. Sigh, I thought I had it figured out. It's not intuitive. The best way I can explain it (as far as I understand it, which is not much, 😮 , let's say you have a nice bottle of rum in your refrigerator and for the moment, you really REALLY want that rum. However, it's not in your refrigerator. It's still in your car. So where does the compass point? If you think it's in the refrigerator, you want the compass to point to the refrigerator and you will be disappointed. You have to know you want to go to WHEREVER the rum is, which will lead you to the car. But, and this is huge, the power of suggestion has much more to do with J/E than the actual compass. Yes, Elizabeth sadly wants Will all along, so the compass points to the chest because she got manipulated into wanting the chest. But she THINKS it's pointing to Jack. So...
1. She would realize the compass was pointing to the chest and Jack was just in the line of the path.
2. She has been lusting after Jack for a long time and her feelings for him are unclear, so she assumes it's pointing to him, which understandably gives her something to think about.

Hmm, which sounds more like a woman completely in love?

Grr, Will's curse. I don't get this one. I even asked my mom about it the day after we saw it and she came to the same conclusion I did: that the one day was it. There was no evidence it meant anything else. But people started saying they saw all these clues, namely in the scene with Davy and Tia. But T&T say that her fidelity saves him. That's a better ending to me, to tell the truth, but it wouldn't have hurt to have Gibbs or someone with some authority on all things sea say, "Well, legend has it, if the woman is faithful to the captain for the ten years he's gone, his curse is over and he can live on the land like he did before." That was all that was needed, a good whole minute of screen time.

Good gits on the topic at hand. I was only thinking about what Mr. Depp had said and trying to remember how PLP had played out his hand, to try and figure out how Mr. Depp was using that to form his performance. lol Miz WilloftheWisp, cartoony sexual tension and angst--that was a hoot.

I agree that I can do math all day long and achieve success most of the time, however, that curse bruhaha just about sent me of the falls to world's end again. There was something vital missing in that particular word problem and I'm with whomever suggested a little more exposition on the subject. I got the green flash thingy and the reprise on the hill with the child, and I prayed for relief that Will was home for good. Weren't naught to suggest it but for one day tho out and out--

Elisabeth's curiousity speech closeness was sparring to her I think, like practicing with your sword, but not drawing blood. Her decision to kiss Jack, I think somewhere in the back of his mind, he was going Alarm! women don't do this unless...they have an agenda, but he was distracted, he wasn't playing anymore, he was grieving (kinda like when there is a sword fight and someone throws sand in the other guy's eyes) and I think she sucker kissed him, yes I believe with all my heart that she wanted to do that and she was a big question mark of wanting him, but her coming to him at that time, he didn't react except to just kiss until it was too late. Then part of him, so proud becos he read her right, Pirate, so angry with himself that he lost sight of the prize and lost his queen.

ahhhhhhhhhh.... that kiss.................... i guess i'll just weep for a while. never ceases to get me. best five minutes of any film ever.

I agree that KISS gets me everytime!!

Will and Liz are so never gonna make it!! Both times they were to get married or were married it was raining!! Rain represents misery, sadness right? It's like she chose Will but the writers and director still insisted that they be miserable!! so they gave them a sad wedding in the rain!! That has got to be a BAD SIGN!!! and then wen the battle is over the skies open up and the sun shines and guess who she talks to then.... Thats right JACK!!!!! UGH!!!! The symbolism, symbols and other little stuff totally contradicts the words and the actions and how it all ends!!! she is clearly happier when Jack is around!!! Grrr!! *walks away cursing and mumbling under breath*

hahahaha oh gee...

as we've just been discussing in the Willobeth thread, something interesting to think about is whether Jack will love again, and if so, who she will be...

Just decided to see why people are interested in sparabeth... and Not to ruin your sparrabeth time, but I just read PirateDiva's post, and in some countries rain means prosperity and growth bc it helps with crops or something... besides, Lizzie loves Will, and he loves her... so it's all good! Any how, I couldn't really imagine Jack as a dad or a husband... I think that maybe they wrote out Sparrabeth bc they wanted to keep Jack free to roam, which is fine with me bc I wanted willabeth anyhow... someone has to agree with me on something here...

Yeah, I agree about the rain - its kinda ambiguous there. While I can't totally see Jack as a husband (even though I've written him that way in my own sparrabeth fic), I can totally see him as a father...a little lad or lass walking, or rather, strutting behind him on deck as Lizzie watches *sigh*...

Potcfan2003, just for curiousity, have you ever read any sparrabeth fanfiction? I read a bit of willabeth once (I quite like the fics where they are young kids feeling that first spark of romance) and I found them to be really sweet, even though I do prefer to imagine Jack and Elizabeth together as adults.

sparrabeth all the way 🙂

see, this is why i dont post on the willabeth thread...as my mother always says;

"If you havent got anything nice to say, then dont say nothing at all"

lol 🙂

potcfan, I also know a lot of romantic moments that occur when it rains and the couple is just fine.

I'm not going to get on the willabethers coming on here and voicing their opinion, but I just want to say that when Kate and I go on the willabeth thread, we're team players and are there to entertain and discuss with our very dear willabeth friends. I think it's well understood how she and I feel about willabeth, but we try to not get into it. So it would be nice if when willabethers come here, they are team players too and just go with the flow instead of arguing.

I agree...that is why I decided to stay off the Willabeth thread...because I cannot find one good thing to say...so I avoid the arguing and stay where I can enjoy the Sparrabeth love.....I don't care that Elizabeth and Will got married...in my heart, soul and mind....Elizabeth and Jack are soulmates....and they will always be bonded...the sad thing about their love is it could never be acted upon because of the Whelp!

May I just say, lovethemtigers, that I absolutely love your sig? I think it's the first sig ever to feature bare-chested Jack. Why no one else has posted one remains a mystery. Hail to heavily-scarred, heavily-tattooed Jack!

i quite agree, lovethemtigers and willo. 🙂 here's to our ship.