Mexican Deportation

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I think with legal immigration they will create jobs. And it will be enough. Why shouldn't it? France has 60 000 000 people and it works. Germany 80 000 000. The US currently 300 000 000. And it all works. I am saying that more people will not kill your economy, it will stabilize just as it did always. And you are thinking wrong, it is not illegal immigrants anymore then..it is Americans. Which have minimum wage and rights and companies will not be able to pay them that low. It will work, have faith in capitalism.

It cannot work indefinitely, "supply and demand". The jobs that they do(supply) cannot parallel the amount of people(demand), they is and will be a greater imbalance as time goes on.

I'll give you a real life example... 10 years ago there used to be about 50 illegals immigrants that would stand along 2-3 street blocks looking for jobs, people would drive by and pick them up for labor etc. and everyday the majority of them would get picked up at least once to work a few hours. Currently there are 250+ on the same area of land and they all do not get picked up, I have spoken to a few as I am fluent in Spanish and some say they are lucky to find work every 3rd day now. I have seen them actually punch each other in the face trying to fight their way into someones truck.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Out of hand" would be the conservative estimate of 25 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. currently an the 10K that illegally cross each day.

Say 20 years ago... I live in an area were there are many illegals, I do remember when U.S. citizens did the same jobs that illegals predominantly do now. So the "They do the jobs that others won't" argument is flawed... it should be "They do the jobs for less , that others won't do." There is more too it than that though in the big picture.

Ah but therein lies an interesting conundrum. Are the same U.S. citizens who want every illegal immigrant deported, prepared to pay more for everything?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Where exactly did you derive your "conservative estimate", I've seen estimates of 8-12 million. 25 million is not a conservative estimate. 😬

Ah but therein lies an interesting conundrum. Are the same U.S. citizens who want every illegal immigrant deported, prepared to pay more for everything?

I've looked on-line and had read it before... The estimates do vary greatly and in honesty, who really knows since they are indeed "undocumented" peoples. Could very well be 5 milion or 30 million.

Those people are insane since they want something that is an impossibility. I agree that (if it somehow were magically possible) kicking every single illegal immigrant out would kick the U.S. economy in the nuts and those same people that shout "throw em all out!" would in turn cry about rising cost. But that does not take away from the issue that illegal immigration needs to be checked or go unchecked.

Originally posted by Robtard
It cannot work indefinitely, "supply and demand". The jobs that they do(supply) cannot parallel the amount of people(demand), they is and will be a greater imbalance as time goes on.

I'll give you a real life example... 10 years ago there used to be about 50 illegals immigrants that would stand along 2-3 street blocks looking for jobs, people would drive by and pick them up for labor etc. and everyday the majority of them would get picked up at least once to work a few hours. Currently there are 250+ on the same area of land and they all do not get picked up, I have spoken to a few as I am fluent in Spanish and some say they are lucky to find work every 3rd day now. I have seen them actually punch each other in the face trying to fight their way into someones truck.

This is about illegal immigrants. With no rights and such, right? THey can't open jobs. They can't fill any jobs other than illegal ones on the street corner, right?

Just for shits and giggles, I'll post this again:

More people were killed, raped, or robbed by illegal immigrants last year than were killed in the 3 years of the Iraq war and 9/11 combined.

source?

oh i know:

http://stormfront.org

i love the skewed and shady nature of your figures.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've looked on-line and had read it before... The estimates do vary greatly and in honesty, who really knows since they are indeed "undocumented" peoples. Could very well be 5 milion or 30 million.

Those people are insane since they want something that is an impossibility. I agree that (if it somehow were magically possible) kicking every single illegal immigrant out would kick the U.S. economy in the nuts and those same people that shout "throw em all out!" would in turn cry about rising cost. But that does not take away from the issue that illegal immigration needs to be checked or go unchecked.

Originally posted by Bardock42
This is about illegal immigrants. With no rights and such, right? THey can't open jobs. They can't fill any jobs other than illegal ones on the street corner, right?

Yes it is. They do have rights. I'm sure in some cases they could become business owners. The majority of them lack the education or proficiencies to do some jobs, this is the reason why they happen to take labor intensive jobs.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes it is. They do have rights. I'm sure in some cases they could become business owners. The majority of them lack the education or proficiencies to do some jobs, this is the reason why they happen to take labor intensive jobs.

Haha. Hahahaha. Right.

Originally posted by PVS
source?

oh i know:

http://stormfront.org

i love the skewed and shady nature of your figures.

Was that directed at me?

Actually I Googled it and those figures of 20+ to 25+ million are not insane as there is no real way of counting people who are indeed undocumented. So take your knee-jerking argument and cry "racist" to someone else. But if it makes you feel better, 10 million illegal immigrants still borders on the "out of hand" line.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Haha. Hahahaha. Right.

Yes, exactly right... Do you seriously think doctors, lawyers and civil workers are crossing over illegally to do hard labor jobs in America? Fact is, the majority of of the ones that cross lack the education/proficiencies to do work other than labor. I am not saying they are too stupid to learn, just they lack the skills to do so and this is why they come over.

Originally posted by Robtard
Was that directed at me?

Actually I Googled it and those figures of 20+ to 25+ million are not insane as there is no real way of counting people who are indeed undocumented. So take your knee-jerking argument and cry "racist" to someone else. But if it makes you feel better, 10 million illegal immigrants still borders on the "out of hand" line.

No, he was talking abiout the more rapes by illegal immigrants.

Then again those stats are idiotic. Cause he compares death in a war with robbery. That can be possible, but it shows nothing. And it's probably just the death of American Soldiers he counts anyways, which comes to what...5000 people being killed in 9/11 and the War in Iraq against 5001 people being robbed, raped or killed by illegal immigrants (most robbed of course).

Originally posted by Robtard
Was that directed at me?

Actually I Googled it and those figures of 20+ to 25+ million are not insane as there is no real way of counting people who are indeed undocumented. So take your knee-jerking argument and cry "racist" to someone else. But if it makes you feel better, 10 million illegal immigrants still borders on the "out of hand" line.

speaking of knee-jerk arguing and crying, get the sand out of your vagina, as i was referring to sithsaber's post. now dont we feel silly?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, exactly right... Do you seriously think doctors, lawyers and civil workers are crossing over illegally to do hard labor jobs in America? Fact is, the majority of of the ones that cross lack the education/proficiencies to do work other than labor. I am not saying they are too stupid to learn, just they lack the skills to do so and this is why they come over.

But they can't get any labour work but illegal ones.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're sort of arguing for "controlled illegal immigration"... 😬

If by "sort of" you mean "not at all" then yes... I am against illegal immigration, period. But I do see the "throw em all out" view as being illogical as it is unattainable and America has molded itself in many cases to rely on the illegal immigrants already here. But that is a different subject and argument altogether.

Originally posted by PVS
speaking of knee-jerk arguing and crying, get the sand out of your vagina, as i was referring to sithsaber's post. now dont we feel silly?

No, I do not feel silly since I asked "are you talking to me"... A simple "no" would have sufficed and rendered what I say non important as you had not directed that comment to me.

Originally posted by PVS
source?

oh i know:

http://stormfront.org

i love the skewed and shady nature of your figures.

Right, cuz I'm a racist. (you obviously missed my first post a few pages back.)

I'll get you the source for those numbers. (I saw it on some news program.)

But while you wait, lets start with the criminals:

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/criminals.html

Or the victims, perhaps:

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

The most recent being actress Adrienne Shelly, who was killed by an illegal immigrant.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I do not feel silly since I asked "are you talking to me"... A simple "no" would have sufficed and rendered what I say non important as you had not directed that comment to me.

sorry, i was unable to hack into the kmc server and add "no" to your post as you went on your rant immediately after asking your question...in the same post mind you.

a simple "whoops" would have done the trick.
or you can just cry about it i guess.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But they can't get any labour work but illegal ones.

Because for the most part they are not qualified to work as policemen, secretaries, nurses, school bus drivers, engineers, pharmacist etc. etc. etc. people who are generally qualified to work in those types of jobs generally do not cross the border or they do it legally. Do you honestly think 10,000 Mexican college grades are crossing the border every day? They work they labor intensive jobs simply because those are the kind of jobs they are able to perform. It has to do with the level of education, not ethnicity.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Right, cuz I'm a racist. (you obviously missed my first post a few pages back.)

I'll get you the source for those numbers. (I saw it on some news program.)

But while you wait, lets start with the criminals:

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/criminals.html

Or the victims, perhaps:

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

The most recent being actress Adrienne Shelly, who was killed by an illegal immigrant.

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