Superman: Man of Steel

Originally posted by jedi90
you need to pay attention. i'm not debating that the movie did poorly or the reason behind a sequel never being made.

what i'm saying is WB has made this promise before in regards to a JL movie and GL sequel. WB stated that were moving forward with a sequel regardless of box office, this was after a 64% drop in ticket sales. so they knew the movie was doing poorly.

i wouldn't hold my breath waiting on them when WB has a well documented history of not following through.

Whatever they said about box office at that time is what needs to be ignored.

We all know the entertainment industry is a business after all. It's all about money. With no money made there's nothing in it for them. (Unless it's some marketing strategy).

There will obviously be sequels to MOS.

But JL will depend on additional successful superhero movies.

As much as I distrust WB, and I do, I have to believe that they have no option but to push for a sequel. With the profits the movie has made, and the more positive reaction to it than Returns (as mixed as it may be), I would be quite surprised if they didn't make a sequel.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whatever they said about box office at that time is what needs to be ignored.

We all know the entertainment industry is a business after all. It's all about money. With no money made there's nothing in it for them. (Unless it's some marketing strategy).

There will obviously be sequels to MOS.

But JL will depend on additional successful superhero movies.

not always true. whether folks want to admit it or not superman returns made 400 million at the box office. even WB felt the movie was successful at the box office but ended up stopping development of the sequel because they didnt' like where the character was being taken.

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/91753-horn-planning-superman-sequel-for-2009

if it was all about money they would have made the sequel. remember, batman begins didn't break 400 million either and their budget was close to returns.

Begins budget was 150. Returns was 270...

Not close at all. But just as importantly, Begins was very well received by the public. Returns was not.

Originally posted by Dolos
Jor-el and Kal-el trumped Zod in combat because they were designed with a higher IQ...Jor-el being engineered to do pretty much more computing than any other Kryptonian as their leading scientist. Kal-el inherited the next generation of that IQ because he wasn't a genesis chamber born, but the genetically genuine heir of Jor-el.

Intelligence is fluid. A super IQ designed for sheer computing power can be transferred to a higher emotional quotient if necessary, ergo mastering the senses and sharpening the mind for combat, as well as figuring out the tactics of one's opponent and predicting their next move. Zod's high IQ was designed specifically for combative purposes and honing the mind to kill, yes, but the numbers just weren't there. This is why Clark quickly gained melee skills during his battle with the Warrior Bred Kryptonians.

In a way Clark was genetically superior to his father, if you assume Kryptonian genetics evolve faster than humanity's, one offspring will be superior in genetic inheritance to his or her parents.

So your theory is that Jor-El beat Zod in hand to hand combat because he was smarter? You need to email this response to every nerd that has ever been bullied through out their school years. I'm sure they and their black eyes would appreciate knowing how tough they really are.

Originally posted by Kazenji
That's real original attacking someone else's taste's in movies

and yeah i have seen Pete's version of King Kong and enjoyed it and i've seen the original one.

You call it an attack, I think you need to be honest with yourself and think about what was good about that film.

Seriously:
what fun is in a Monkey watching the sunset?
what fun is it watching a monkey dance and (laugh)whilst making primate noises?

But hey if that's your thing, by all means Sir go enjoy.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Firstly Superman Returns did not make tons of $$$. Not even close.

Production budget $275mill, Marketing costs another $50-100mill. Grossed $390mll.

If you can't double your production cost then a sequel is pretty unlikely, let alone spin offs.
That movie was one big disappointment financially.

Secondly what's with the comparison to He-Man and Street Fighter?

Clearly there wasn't demand and expectations to have tons of sequels and spin-off's with those films.

Whilst we know very well WB with it's DC properties is trying to follow up on the mega success of Marvel studios.

Clearly not. The reason a sequel never came was due to how badly the movie bombed. If that movie doubled/tripled it's production cost, then believe you me there would have been a sequel by now.

Darth Lord lets try another approach:
Mortal Kombat/Budget $18 million/ Box office $122,195,920 / sucked/ had a sequel AND I believe 3 tv shows.
It did well for $$ but...sucked and the sequel as well.

Punisher: both 1989 and 2004 sucked badly. their budgets not impressive but DEMAND wanted a real Punisher movie (not a sequel) but a good Punisher movie.
end result was War-zone, it was awesome...i didn't bother looking at the budget...I purchased the DVD and enjoy it from time to time.

You can expect what you want but bottom line is a sequel (or a remake) is more demand than budget.

Last one: Avatar
$237 million
$9 million+ (re-release)
Box office $2,782,275,172
and it SUCKED, but hey, it's popular with teenage girls.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
don't even worry about that bot/troll/spammer

Resorting to name calling because someone voiced their point of view?

If there's a troll it would be you Sir, name calling is not permitted..REPORTED.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I liked Peter Jackson's King Kong ugh.

Way too long IMO.

Originally posted by tkitna
He asked how in the hell Zod was such a sissy in the movie. I explained to him that people on this forum said that he lost to Superman because Superman was used to his powers. My son said that was no excuse for getting his ass handed to him by his worlds head of science. I never thought about it, but he's right. Last parting shot from my son was that if Zod was Kryptons head of military, it was probably for the best that their world blew up. 😂 He thought Johnathan Kents suicide by rescuing the dog was stupid too, and it was.

Zod losing to Jor-el was dumb, I'll agree.

However, I'm not sure why people would think Johnathan risking his life to save his dog was stupid. People do that in the real world.

Hey, Mortal Kombat was awesome. King Kong wasn't bad either, imo.

Guys, try to keep it civil otherwise, please. No bashing.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Hey, Mortal Kombat was awesome. King Kong wasn't bad either, imo.

Guys, try to keep it civil otherwise, please. No bashing.

The fight scenes and cheesy dialect were fun to watch in MK as they were in Man Of Steel.
but King Kong, I can't give you that one.

As far as Jor-El being a trained hand to hand fighting expert...
He's a prominent scientist last I checked, not a street brawling brute.

His wife was in the military, and Jor-El, as so noted, wasn't very concerned with following Krypton's "people by design" philosophy. He would have had ample time, and opportunity, to learn combat.

Should he have beaten Zod? No, I guess not, though it's a minor thing, imo.

Originally posted by ares834
Way too long IMO.
However, I'm not sure why people would think Johnathan risking his life to save his dog was stupid. People do that in the real world.

Cant Clark move faster then the human eye can see? Also, with all the debris flying around, wouldnt you think anybody with any common sense would send their superhuman son to fetch the dog instead of their own slow and weak self? Just didnt make much sense. Johnathan dying could have been handled a lot better, but whats done is done.

Originally posted by tkitna
Cant Clark move faster then the human eye can see? Also, with all the debris flying around, wouldnt you think anybody with any common sense would send their superhuman son to fetch the dog instead of their own slow and weak self? Just didnt make much sense. Johnathan dying could have been handled a lot better, but whats done is done.

Faster than they eye can see, in short bursts.

He wouldn't have been able to cover that distance, slow down to open the door to get the dog out, and then move back before his cover would have been blown.

Didn't Jor-El put some special armor on to fight Zod as well?

Also Clark hadn't pushed the limits of his powers yet when Jonathon died. JK didn't want Clark to help because there were too many people around who would witness him using his powers.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Didn't Jor-El put some special armor on to fight Zod as well?

Also Clark hadn't pushed the limits of his powers yet when Jonathon died. JK didn't want Clark to help because there were too many people around who would witness him using his powers.

thats right... Pa Kent sacrificed himself

I'm going to see this movie in a different theater each time in the city I live in. Then when I've seen it in all theaters start over again.
It may be movie I see the most in 2013.

Damn. Thats dedication.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Didn't Jor-El put some special armor on to fight Zod as well?

Just seemed to by typical battle armor to me. But, yeah, the fact that he had it suggests he was trained in combat.