Superman: Man of Steel

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
LOL

"Yes I know it was a big thing back in the day about what a babe Lana Lang was. But that kind of thing usually starts when people enjoy the show!"

and you say I made it up and yet here you are saying the same cotton pickin thing.

No I'm not: "Yes I know it was a big thing back in the day about what a babe Lana Lang was. But that kind of thing usually starts when people enjoy the show!"

No one watches a show show every week just for a girl. And you obviously are not aware that the show had a large female following as well.

Don't tell me you'll say that's because they liked Tom Welling!

By your argument a show only does well by how good looking the actors and actresses are. I frankly find that theory absurd.

All shows use sex to sell, but the sexiest actors are not the stars of the best selling shows. Not by a ling shot.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Sir,
it has and always will be about sexy gap models over the storyline. But for the record theres nothing sexy about Gillian Anderson. Cmon man seriously?! a flat chested 98lb skeleton seen as sexy? the ones who voted her sexy are probly the types who run around making the "she has an ass like an 8 year old boy" comment. YES I've heard that in poublic many times.

This proves my point exactly. Sex appeal of an actress becomes a much more exaggerated thing when people actually enjoy the show.

You can't really believe that the only reason people tuned in to Smallaville is because there was no other show on the air which ever had a girl as hot as Kristen Kreuk??!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's not assuming anything. Look up ticket prices yourself. They went up a lot from 2006 to 2011. 3-D sales especially went up a lot.

More people likely saw SR in the cinema than Thor. Although I doubt it's a big difference either way.

2d and 3-d prices didnt' go up much at all. just more movies being made available in 3-d. why does he have to go look it up, you're the one arguing it. bring the info here since it so readily available.

Originally posted by jedi90
lol, you know you just proved his point exactly with your statement.

Read my post again very carefully and you may realize that I did not prove his point at all.

People generally don't tune in regularly to a show like Smallville because there is one hot girl on the show.

Although a hot girl on a show they already enjoy will help to keep them tuned in.

But they have to have enjoyed the show. Smallville wasn't exactly Melrose Place or Baywatch.

Oh and btw I used to fancy the pants off Terri Hatcher back in the days of Lois & Clark, but that wasn't enough to watch it regularly for me. In fact even when I did watch it, it was only because it was Superman!

Originally posted by jedi90
inflation? you do realize that there is only a 5 yr difference? cost of living and pricing don't change that dramatically in that short a period of time.

5 years isn't that short a time. The average ticket prices did go up. And 3-D is much more widely shown now. In the days of SR you had to go for special screenings for 3-D.

Originally posted by jedi90
why does he have to go look it up, you're the one arguing it. bring the info here since it so readily available.

I'm not arguing it. I pointed out a fact which most people know is true. He's the one arguing it.

If you don't know that the number of 3-D showings has gone up dramatically in the last few years then I can't help you and you really shouldn't be arguing this.

In fact I don't even know why people are arguing this. Does it really hurt you so much that more poeple probably watched SR than Thor??

Btw I'm a Thor fan.

Originally posted by jedi90
nobody watched smallville for the superman aspect.

Your nuts if you think that no one ever tuned into Smallville because it was a show about a young Superman. You can't honestly be that blind.

So what? It was just Lana and then later Lois who brought in the audience in your eyes?? facepalm

Geez they must be in huge demand from every studio.. Oh except they're not!

I thought Smallville was a poor representation of Superman (the individual person) for the most part. Thankfully, when it had a good supporting cast (Lionel, Lex, Chloe, Green Arrow, the JSA) it was much more watchable imo.

Lana was ****ing horrid though. They basically had her keep Clark's balls in a jar on her bedside table at times.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
5 years isn't that short a time. The average ticket prices did go up. And 3-D is much more widely shown now. In the days of SR you had to go for special screenings for 3-D.

I'm not arguing it. I pointed out a fact which most people know is true. He's the one arguing it.

If you don't know that the number of 3-D showings has gone up dramatically in the last few years then I can't help you and you really shouldn't be arguing this.

In fact I don't even know why people are arguing this. Does it really hurt you so much that more poeple probably watched SR than Thor??

Btw I'm a Thor fan.

Your nuts if you think that no one ever tuned into Smallville because it was a show about a young Superman. You can't honestly be that blind.

So what? It was just Lana and then later Lois who brought in the audience in your eyes?? facepalm

Geez they must be in huge demand from every studio.. Oh except they're not!

maybe not to a child, but five years is a short period of time. i didn't say that ticket sales didn't go up. they went up but not enough to do a cost comparison for inflation. tickets went up a whole $1.33 in five years, hardly enough inflation to do an accurate comparison.

it's not a fact because you haven't shown any facts. 3D showings are actually in a decline and movie studios have been losing money on them.

no, i could care less who watched which movie more. but the following everyone knows to be true:

1. most thought SR was crap
2. WB thought it was crap, fired the director, and rebooted
3. cost over 200 million (not including marketing) and made a return just over 390 million.
4. Thor was made with 150 million and grossed over 450 million.

smallville's target audience was highschool girls, hence all the drama and plot. they started adding hot girls to attract the guys due to the lack of action. you must fall into the high school girl category.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought Smallville was a poor representation of Superman (the individual person) for the most part. Thankfully, when it had a good supporting cast (Lionel, Lex, Chloe, Green Arrow, the JSA) it was much more watchable imo.

Lana was ****ing horrid though. They basically had her keep Clark's balls in a jar on her bedside table at times.

what do you know, we do agree on some things.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No I'm not: "Yes I know it was a big thing back in the day about what a babe Lana Lang was. But that kind of thing usually starts when people enjoy the show!"

No one watches a show show every week just for a girl. And you obviously are not aware that the show had a large female following as well.

Don't tell me you'll say that's because they liked Tom Welling!

By your argument a show only does well by how good looking the actors and actresses are. I frankly find that theory absurd.

All shows use sex to sell, but the sexiest actors are not the stars of the best selling shows. Not by a ling shot.

This proves my point exactly. Sex appeal of an actress becomes a much more exaggerated thing when people actually enjoy the show.

You can't really believe that the only reason people tuned in to Smallaville is because there was no other show on the air which ever had a girl as hot as Kristen Kreuk??!

Ok so you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Sex sells... and in many cases i've seen guys admit "hey this show sucks but the chicks are hot so I watch it".

But yea im crazy right. why do you think they cast Gap models man? because they know that theres men who are too stupid to either comprehend a storyline OR just want to sit in the theatre/couch and rub one off.

Matter of fact, how about you fine gentlmen watch a college football game and tell me what the camera man does...they typically find 3-4 blondes in the cheerleeding squad or in the crowd and constantly zooms in on them during the game. same could be said about alot of women who watch football..."oh i dont know whats going on but look at their butts" But im crazy right?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Read my post again very carefully and you may realize that I did not prove his point at all.

People generally don't tune in regularly to a show like Smallville because there is one hot girl on the show.

Although a hot girl on a show they already enjoy will help to keep them tuned in.

But they have to have enjoyed the show. Smallville wasn't exactly Melrose Place or Baywatch.

Oh and btw I used to fancy the pants off Terri Hatcher back in the days of Lois & Clark, but that wasn't enough to watch it regularly for me. In fact even when I did watch it, it was only because it was Superman!

just for the record, you're saying that a hot girl won't attract a guy to a show, but if they're already watching the show a hot girl will keep them tuning in each week.

rriiiiiigggghhhhhtttt, good luck with that argument.

Originally posted by jedi90
just for the record, you're saying that a hot girl won't attract a guy to a show, but if they're already watching the show a hot girl will keep them tuning in each week.

rriiiiiigggghhhhhtttt, good luck with that argument.

well sadly...both of you are right. Yes they will watch just to see the girl but in turn....some will say"the hell with this" kinda like what happened to channel G4. it went from a fun channel to a teen sex broadcast.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
well sadly...both of you are right. Yes they will watch just to see the girl but in turn....some will say"the hell with this" kinda like what happened to channel G4. it went from a fun channel to a teen sex broadcast.

i'm the only one that is right and don't you ever forget it.

Originally posted by jedi90
i'm the only that is right and don't you ever forget it.

Fine, have it your way. I'm right, you're wrong CLOSED!!!!

Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought Smallville was a poor representation of Superman (the individual person) for the most part. Thankfully, when it had a good supporting cast (Lionel, Lex, Chloe, Green Arrow, the JSA) it was much more watchable imo.

Lana was ****ing horrid though. They basically had her keep Clark's balls in a jar on her bedside table at times.

WOW did I read that correctly?!!

Did you actually see eye to eye with the Ole Sheriff on a topic?!

Originally posted by jedi90
maybe not to a child, but five years is a short period of time. i didn't say that ticket sales didn't go up. they went up but not enough to do a cost comparison for inflation. tickets went up a whole $1.33 in five years, hardly enough inflation to do an accurate comparison.

it's not a fact because you haven't shown any facts. 3D showings are actually in a decline and movie studios have been losing money on them.

no, i could care less who watched which movie more. but the following everyone knows to be true:

1. most thought SR was crap
2. WB thought it was crap, fired the director, and rebooted
3. cost over 200 million (not including marketing) and made a return just over 390 million.
4. Thor was made with 150 million and grossed over 450 million

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Honestly the girl in Arrow is far hotter than Smallville's Lana Imho.

M.Rosenbaum is a great actor & made the earler seasons of Smallville watchable.

Originally posted by jedi90

1. most thought SR was crap
2. WB thought it was crap, fired the director, and rebooted
3. cost over 200 million (not including marketing) and made a return just over 390 million.
4. Thor was made with 150 million and grossed over 450 million.

I agree with this. If you've been reading here for a while you'll know I say I hate Singer for SR. It was total crap and it was a failure.

All I'm pointing out is that the name "Superman" still holds some weight. Because the fact is if we adjust for ticket prices and 3-D Sales then the difference in "Gross Revenue" between Thor and SR is not much. And that's despite the fact that Thor was a great movie whilst SR was total sh**

Originally posted by jedi90
smallville's target audience was highschool girls, hence all the drama and plot. they started adding hot girls to attract the guys due to the lack of action. you must fall into the high school girl category.

I have to disagree here. When did they start "adding" hot girls to attracts guys?? Lana Lang was there from the first episode. The only other Hot regulars were Lois Lane who came in as a semi-main character in season 4. She only became a regular main character after Lana left. And Supergirl who was there for 1 season only. And even in that season she wasn't in a lot of episodes.

Originally posted by jedi90
just for the record, you're saying that a hot girl won't attract a guy to a show, but if they're already watching the show a hot girl will keep them tuning in each week.

rriiiiiigggghhhhhtttt, good luck with that argument.

Oh for the love of.... You act like Smallville was the first show to work out that sex sells or something.

Pretty much every big show uses a hot girl. And yet Kristin Kreuk's Lana Lang was the big discussion topic in hot babes back 10 years ago. Why was that with all the hot girls on every show?? Because a lot of people watched and enjoyed Smallville, that's why.

I mean honestly by putting so much weight on this argument of yours I could say Avengers only made money because Scarlett Johansson was looking so hot in it, and TDKR only made so much because Anne Hathaway was so hot in it, and Transformers because of Megan Fox e.t.c e.t.c.

And yet do you have any idea how many complete flops those same actresses have been in??!

So it's ridiculous to say that any film or series made money or did well just due to hot girls, unless your talking about Showgirls.

Oh and btw this whole "sex sale" thing should have more of an impact on movies. Sitting through a "boring" show week upon week because of one hot girl is less likely.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
well sadly...both of you are right. Yes they will watch just to see the girl but in turn....some will say"the hell with this" kinda like what happened to channel G4. it went from a fun channel to a teen sex broadcast.

👆

(raises hand) I have a motion.....
Why do yall think the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders have a reality show?
Because everyone tunes in to see some sexy Blondes OR to study cheering manuvers..just sayin.
Do people go to strip clubs for the cheap drinks OR to watch naked women?....just sayin...
But back to the topic...why Superman movies sucked.
Lets try this one: Let ole Singer direct some episodes for Lois n Clark and Smallville.

I have only one thing to say...if having a hot girl is all it takes to make something popular....why have so many movies failed that had hot chicks? Why isn't every movie that Megan fox is in super popular? Are all of those romantic comedies that have hot chicks super popular with dudes simply because they have hot chicks? smiff - n -wesson, by your logic men would watch pretty much nothing but romantic comedies because they usually have hot women.

Also, I find it hard to believe that someone would shell out that much money for a movie or waste that much time watching a show that they hate just to see a hot chick that doesn't even get naked when the internet is available for hardcore porn.

No one is denying that sex sells and can make a difference. But to say it is frequently the only factor, or to say that people watched 10 years of a show just because of "teh hot girlzz!!!1" is silly.

Originally posted by emporerpants
I have only one thing to say...if having a hot girl is all it takes to make something popular....why have so many movies failed that had hot chicks? Why isn't every movie that Megan fox is in super popular? Are all of those romantic comedies that have hot chicks super popular with dudes simply because they have hot chicks? smiff - n -wesson, by your logic men would watch pretty much nothing but romantic comedies because they usually have hot women.

Also, I find it hard to believe that someone would shell out that much money for a movie or waste that much time watching a show that they hate just to see a hot chick that doesn't even get naked when the internet is available for hardcore porn.

No one is denying that sex sells and can make a difference. But to say it is frequently the only factor, or to say that people watched 10 years of a show just because of "teh hot girlzz!!!1" is silly.

Exactly. As if Smallville was the first show to work out that an attractive woman can attract viewers. Pretty much every show uses that. It hardly gives a competitive edge anymore. Just keeps you in the game.

But honestly it would have more of an impact on shows like 90210, Baywatch and Melrose Place, where those shows are just full of hot girls and it's about their relationshps and there's a lot of raunchy scenes.

And yet you know what? Even shows like that have been known to flop.

Saying Smallville was only a success because of Lana Lang and later Lois Lane is like saying Transformers was only a huge hit because of Megan Fox. But Like you've rightly pointed out many of Megan Fox's films have bombed hard! And I don't see the actresses who played Lana Lang and Lois Lane on Smallville being in huge demand by every network.