Atheists and Theists

Originally posted by ThePittman
That is not really measuring atheist though, that is a test if you are or are not. If you are measuring something you already know what it is but deciding the level or size or what ever of that thing. If you are measuring them to your values or idea then you can but you are using your own value scale. Unless rules or values have been set and accepted then it can’t be “measured” like if you do this and this but don’t do this then you are 10% atheist.

Fair enough. I shall take some time to review the definition and general usage of the word measurement. It might be very well that I am wrong. I shall inform you in this thread when I am surer about the topic.

Though I am very sure that it does not have to be a scale with more than two elements to be measured on.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not sure what you mean. I am a sceptic. I am not ever 100% convinced of anything. I will be convinced that my analysis about whether they are atheist or not is relatively correct when I can be pretty sure that they either don't believe in God or do not know what a God is. What "good" and "bad" have to do with that I am not sure.

I disagree with your assertion that some terms can apply, while others can't. Terms are either factual, or they are just words.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I would still be pretty convinced that from an absolute basis they are neutral. Because I don't know of or believe in an absolute moral code.

Some people don't beleive neutrality exists *cough* Regret *cough*

So how do you know neutrality actually exists as an absolute ?

Originally posted by Bardock42
The word is defined as something. i go by that definition. Good and bad are defined as well, but in a way that involves an absolute measurement that in my opinion does not exist. What is your trouble understanding that? And the term atheist applies to them. I don't see your problem. One does not need to have a grasp or knowledge of a concept for it to apply to them. I mean you were bisexual before you knew the word, right? And it applied to you before you knew it.

Atheism is not absolute, however. That's what I'm trying to get you to understand. Who makes it absolute ? If Good and Evil are only subjective terms, what makes Atheism absolute ?

Yes, I was bisexual before I knew the word....however, if sexuality was NOT classified into categories such as "bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual" than, NO, the term would NOT apply since the term would not exist.

The word Bisexual didn't even exist over a century ago.

But that's besides the point. I understand that Atheism, in one definition of the word, can be applicable to all who do not beleive in God, but NOT as an absolute.

If a person does not consider themselves Atheist, than you cannot factually claim they are Atheist, especially if they can't even relate to the concept.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As things they are atheistic. Sure. But we usually refer only to people as atheist. If you want to call inanimate object that as well though, I am not opposed. They fit the definition. They are in fact Godless due to their lack of knowledge of God.

This is where I begin laughing. You cannot term a plant, or rock, or dead person, or newborn child an "atheist" because they are incapable of being EITHER Atheist or Theist.

The terms Theist and Athiest can only be validly applied to a person who CAN be either or. If a person NEVER has the chance to BE a Theist (by not knowing about the idea of God), then they cannot be Athiest either.

Originally posted by Bardock42

No it is not. It is the correct definition. You want it to apply only to those that are opposed to Religion. You may wish that, but it is not the actual definition. Stop trying to change the English language. it is doing quite fine without you.

Not opposed to religion....just those who do not beleive, after exposure to the idea.

IT IS the ACTUAL DEFINITION, XYZ even brought it up himself with that stupid google link.

What absolute basis are you using to define one as Atheist, btw ? A website ? Like that is somehow more valid than the concepts of Good and Evil... 😆

Originally posted by Bardock42
"Good" and "bad" need a moral code that I don't believe in. Or know of. By the way, you don't know of it either, to be fair. Atheism does not. They are different things.

Good and Evil have moral codes, it just so happens that none of those codes can be claimed as collective Fact, since everyone's moral codes conflict.

Atheism, however, is a term applicable to the concept of God. That is the BASIS, that is what it RELIES on...without the concept of God, Atheism does not exist.

The same way, without the CONCEPT of SEX, bisexuality does not exist.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Of course, relative moral probably exists. I don't deny that people can seem good or bad to me. Or you, Or Hitler. I never denied that. I denied that "good" and "bad" are absolute terms that relate to people regardless of subjective opinions. Atheism applies to them because they fit the description of the word, not because you might think they are atheists.

Morality exists. Just not as an absolute or uniform entity. You know that personal morality exists for sure. If the definition of Atheism applies to those who fit your definition, and you claim it as FACT, then how can the terms "good" or "evil" not factually apply?

What BASIS of Absolutivity are you trying to use here ?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nothing can be factual.

This should END IT right here. Thereby, the term Athiest, according to this statement, is meaningless, and cannot factually apply.

Which is it Bardock ? Does the term apply or not ?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not dealing in absolutes. And "good" or "bad" are not terms relating to the concept of morality. But specific "morality". Atheism relates to the concept. Difference.

"Good" and "Bad" are terms that relate to the concept of Morality. In fact, that's what MORALITY consists of....the concepts of good and bad. Without the ideas of good and bad, morality does not exist.

Atheism DOES relate to the concept of God...yes....congradulations Bardock, your tiny brain achieved knowledge ! So, since you admitted that Atheism applies to the concept of God, then you must also realize that without the concept of God, Atheism cannot apply ! 😄

Originally posted by Bardock42
I mean I know you won't understand. You are not smart enough. But maybe others in this thread will get what I mean. I have great hope that lil b might. You are more of a lost case.

Oh I understand what you are saying, but your logic is flawed.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I disagree with your assertion that some terms can apply, while others can't. Terms are either factual, or they are just words.

Some people don't beleive neutrality exists *cough* Regret *cough*

So how do you know neutrality actually exists as an absolute ?

Atheism is not absolute, however. That's what I'm trying to get you to understand. Who makes it absolute ? If Good and Evil are only subjective terms, what makes Atheism absolute ?

Yes, I was bisexual before I knew the word....however, if sexuality was NOT classified into categories such as "bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual" than, NO, the term would NOT apply since the term would not exist.

The word Bisexual didn't even exist over a century ago.

But that's besides the point. I understand that Atheism, in one definition of the word, can be applicable to all who do not beleive in God, but NOT as an absolute.

If a person does not consider themselves Atheist, than you cannot factually claim they are Atheist, especially if they can't even relate to the concept.

This is where I begin laughing. You cannot term a plant, or rock, or dead person, or newborn child an "atheist" because they are incapable of being EITHER Atheist or Theist.

The terms Theist and Athiest can only be validly applied to a person who CAN be either or. If a person NEVER has the chance to BE a Theist (by not knowing about the idea of God), then they cannot be Athiest either.

Not opposed to religion....just those who do not beleive, after exposure to the idea.

IT IS the ACTUAL DEFINITION, XYZ even brought it up himself with that stupid google link.

What absolute basis are you using to define one as Atheist, btw ? A website ? Like that is somehow more valid than the concepts of Good and Evil... 😆

Good and Evil have moral codes, it just so happens that none of those codes can be claimed as collective Fact, since everyone's moral codes conflict.

Atheism, however, is a term applicable to the concept of God. That is the BASIS, that is what it RELIES on...without the concept of God, Atheism does not exist.

The same way, without the CONCEPT of SEX, bisexuality does not exist.

Morality exists. Just not as an absolute or uniform entity. You [b]know that personal morality exists for sure. If the definition of Atheism applies to those who fit your definition, and you claim it as FACT, then how can the terms "good" or "evil" not factually apply?

What BASIS of Absolutivity are you trying to use here ?

This should END IT right here. Thereby, the term Athiest, according to this statement, is meaningless, and cannot factually apply.

Which is it Bardock ? Does the term apply or not ?

"Good" and "Bad" are terms that relate to the concept of Morality. In fact, that's what MORALITY consists of....the concepts of good and bad. Without the ideas of good and bad, morality does not exist.

Atheism DOES relate to the concept of God...yes....congradulations Bardock, your tiny brain achieved knowledge ! So, since you admitted that Atheism applies to the concept of God, then you must also realize that without the concept of God, Atheism cannot apply ! 😄

Oh I understand what you are saying, but your logic is flawed. [/B]

I shall just pick out the points I care to reply to, cause they are the most bullshit. I am sure every reasonable being already realized what a major ignoramus you are. So here just the main points you don't understand.

Actually that is almost too much trouble. It hurts my brain just to think about the low level of intelligence you must have. Oh well:

"I disagree with your assertion that some terms can apply, while others can't. Terms are either factual, or they are just words.

Some people don't beleive neutrality exists *cough* Regret *cough*

So how do you know neutrality actually exists as an absolute ?"

Then you are an idiot. Of course some terms might not describe reality and others do.

Atheism describes the lack of believe in a Higher Power
Good and Evil as absolute concepts describe a quality of a thing or person in accordance to an absolute moral code that probably does not exist.

Because I don't know and do not believe in an absolute moral code. Do you believe in one? Where does it come from? Why is it absolute? What does it say?
And if there is no such thing as an absolute moral copde than there is no absolute "good" or "bad" and that only leaves neutrality in terms of whether something is good or bad.

"The same way, without the CONCEPT of SEX, bisexuality does not exist."

So lets look at it

Bisexuality would not exist without the concept of God
Atheism would not exist without the concept of God

Someone can be Bisexual without knowing about the concept of Sexuality
Someone can be atheist without...

You finish the last sentence please.

You know what, **** it. You piss me off too much. I let llord xyz deal with you.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I shall just pick out the points I care to reply to, cause they are the most bullshit. I am sure every reasonable being already realized what a major ignoramus you are. So here just the main points you don't understand.

Actually that is almost too much trouble. It hurts my brain just to think about the low level of intelligence you must have. Oh well:

"I disagree with your assertion that some terms can apply, while others can't. Terms are either factual, or they are just words.

Some people don't beleive neutrality exists *cough* Regret *cough*

So how do you know neutrality actually exists as an absolute ?"

Then you are an idiot. Of course some terms might not describe reality and others do.

Atheism describes the lack of believe in a Higher Power
Good and Evil as absolute concepts describe a quality of a thing or person in accordance to an absolute moral code that probably does not exist.

Because I don't know and do not believe in an absolute moral code. Do you believe in one? Where does it come from? Why is it absolute? What does it say?
And if there is no such thing as an absolute moral copde than there is no absolute "good" or "bad" and that only leaves neutrality in terms of whether something is good or bad.

"The same way, without the CONCEPT of SEX, bisexuality does not exist."

So lets look at it

Bisexuality would not exist without the concept of God
Atheism would not exist without the concept of God

Someone can be Bisexual without knowing about the concept of Sexuality
Someone can be atheist without...

You finish the last sentence please.

You know what, **** it. You piss me off too much. I let llord xyz deal with you.

What a spoiled sport....this guy can't counter points properly, so he results to delicious insults droolio

Well, before you watch porn and masturbate by yourself, please read my response:

Bisexuality would not exist without the concept of SEX- not God, Bardock, God has nothing to do with it....i take it that's just a typo on your part

Atheism would not exist without the concept of God.

✅

Sex and its concept exist, without our naming of them. True ? So far, God and the Concept of God do not exist without the naming of them (as Athiests, I don't think we have to argue about whether or not God exists)

Someone can be Bisexual without knowing about the concept of sexuality.....

A horrible untrue and inapplicable statement, Bardock, since a Bisexual knows full well about sexuality, regardless of knowing the WORD for it.

On the other hand, a person would not know about the idea of God, without knowledge of the idea beforehand.

Pathetic attempt at comparison Bardock 👇

Go watch some porn, and chill out 🙂

I obviously meant "sex" not "god". A mistake on my part.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I obviously meant "sex" not "god". A mistake on my part.

That's okay, but your claim that a Bisexual is still bisexual without knowing the concept of sex is....................totally off base.

A Bisexual already possesses the concept of sexuality....otherwise, they wouldn't be bisexual.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That's okay, but your claim that a Bisexual is still bisexual without knowing the concept of sex is....................totally off base.

A Bisexual already possesses the concept of sexuality....otherwise, they wouldn't be bisexual.

Fair enough. What about asexuality then?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Fair enough. What about asexuality then?

You know, it's kind of funny because Asexuality just became a social classification that some people are using to describe people who aren't sexually attracted to anyone.

It's kind of hard for a hardcore pervert ****-ass like myself to imagine that, but apparently there ARE some people who find neither sex attractive. I don't know if the term Asexual can truly be used for people like that, but we throw names around like crazy, so i dunno....

But scientifically, I do not think it is possible for a human being to be truly Asexual. Sexuality is not just the attraction to another person, it is also sexual capacity. I mean, if you have sexual organs, does that automatically make you a sexual being ?

I think sexuality is more complicated than Theism (lol), atleast in terms of defining what is what.

I duno, what's your take on it ?

There are different definitions of asexuality. And I believe that there are also examples of real life people to all of them.

Anyways, the debate is about atheism. And whether or not youa gree, "atheism" applies to people and things without the knowledge of a concept of Gods.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, you can measure if something is either one thing or another.

Whether it is a continous scale. Or an either-or thing is of no matter.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I wouldn't say that's measuring.

Okay, it can be though. Now reply to Lord Urizen.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There are different definitions of asexuality. And I believe that there are also examples of real life people to all of them.

Anyways, the debate is about atheism. And whether or not youa gree, "atheism" applies to people and things without the knowledge of a concept of Gods.

Fine.

I already made my stance. Atheism cannot apply to those who cannot choose to be Theist is how I see it. Calling a rock an "athiest" is as unnecessary and invalid as calling that rock "asexual". Although the terms can gramatically and literally fit, I do not see how they logically fit.

The difference between Theism and Sexuality is choice. In sexual orientation by definition of orientation as attraction, there is no choice. In Theism, there is a choice. A person chooses to become "Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc"...a person can also choose to be Athiest

That does not mean they go around bashing religion, or that they strictly beleif that God cannot exist. It just means they don't beleive.

Now, disbeleif in God is NOT always a choice, i Understand that....but atleast a conclusion is drawn. A person who never heard of God cannot draw ANY conclusion of God.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Fine.

I already made my stance. Atheism cannot apply to those who cannot choose to be Theist is how I see it. Calling a rock an "athiest" is as unnecessary and invalid as calling that rock "asexual". Although the terms can gramatically and literally fit, I do not see how they [b]logically fit.

The difference between Theism and Sexuality is choice. In sexual orientation by definition of orientation as attraction, there is no choice. In Theism, there is a choice. A person chooses to become "Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc"...a person can also choose to be Athiest

That does not mean they go around bashing religion, or that they strictly beleif that God cannot exist. It just means they don't beleive.

Now, disbeleif in God is NOT always a choice, i Understand that....but atleast a conclusion is drawn. A person who never heard of God cannot draw ANY conclusion of God. [/B]

As long as you acknowledge that it fits grammatically. I am not sure what the logically is you are referring to. It just applies. End of story.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As long as you acknowledge that it fits grammatically. I am not sure what the logically is you are referring to. It just applies. End of story.

1) Yes, it does fit grammatically.

2) It seems illogical however, to call an inanimate object, "Athiest". That's as illogical as claiming that a computer is Gay because it doesn't have sex with girls.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It seems illogical however, to call an inanimate object, "Athiest". That's as illogical as claiming that a computer is Gay because it doesn't have sex with girls.

So a Male Atheist talked to Female Christian. Same story goes. Male atheist Keeps talking to Female Christian/theist. She begins to Like the Male Atheist and They go out. The Male Atheist Treats her nicely. She Let her guard down, Male atheist Sexing Female Theist. She reaches climax and she yelled/moaning Oh God Oh God!! the Male atheist also reaches climax at the same time with Female Theist, but he yelled/moan doesnt exist doesnt exist OOOOHHH!

and thats how the new religion Orgasmism originated. Can you believe it Atheist and Theist finally have a common ground?

I think I can draw a Comic strip about that? or write a new bible about it?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) Yes, it does fit grammatically.

2) It seems illogical however, to call an inanimate object, "Athiest". That's as illogical as claiming that a computer is Gay because it doesn't have sex with girls.

let me see.

Atheism - Lack of believe in God
Homosexuality - Attraction to your own sex

Hmm...yeah...you are an idiot.

Originally posted by Bardock42
let me see.

Atheism - Lack of believe in God
Homosexuality - Attraction to your own sex

Hmm...yeah...you are an idiot.

Originally posted by Smiter
So a Male Atheist talked to Female Christian. Same story goes. Male atheist Keeps talking to Female Christian/theist. She begins to Like the Male Atheist and They go out. The Male Atheist Treats her nicely. She Let her guard down, Male atheist Sexing Female Theist. She reaches climax and she yelled/moaning Oh God Oh God!! the Male atheist also reaches climax at the same time with Female Theist, but he yelled/moan doesnt exist doesnt exist OOOOHHH!

and thats how the new religion Orgasmism originated. Can you believe it Atheist and Theist finally have a common ground?

I think I can draw a Comic strip about that? or write a new bible about it?

I wonder if Double post is as bad as eating adams apple?

Are animals Atheists or Theists?