Dark Phoenix vs Onslaught.

Originally posted by Galan777
When the Phoenix Force merges /w/ Jean Grey that [b]DOES NOT make it a Mutant. Like I have already said:

Jean Grey= A Mutant, thats it.

Phoenix Force= A cosmic entity whom has no affiliations with the Mutant community unless she chooses a Mutant host. Does that make the Phoenix itself a Mutant? ❌ [/B]

No but in order to fight Onslaught it would need a physical body and since Jean is a mutant and if it makes a copy of her the copy is also a mutant. The no-mutant beating him thing would come into effect.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No but in order to fight Onslaught it would need a physical body and since Jean is a mutant and if it makes a copy of her the copy is also a mutant. The no-mutant beating him thing would come into effect.

You don't need to be rude simply because I disagree with you. I think I provided enough proof of my arguement.

In the past when the Phoenix takes the form of Jean or inhabits her it registers on cerebro as a mutant.

Originally posted by Starhawk
In the issue of Cable right before Onsalught, Moria Mctaggert scans Nate Grey and says his power output is on par with that of the Phoenix. And Onsalught took him out.

And it's stated in Onslaught: Marvel Universe, it's stated that no mutant can defeat Onslaught which is why the Avengers and FF sacrificed themselves to do it and the X-Men had to hold back.

the plan they had after onslaught became energy was to fill him up with their energies and reed said that a mutant would give him a way to live so when they filled him up the xmen and co let loose with all they had
so you guys are a little off anyway
DARK PHOENIX WINS

Rouge tried to attack him and it didn't work cause shes a mutant. When Mutants come into contact with him or use their powers on him it feeds him.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Rouge tried to attack him and it didn't work cause shes a mutant. When Mutants come into contact with him or use their powers on him it feeds him.

Dark Phoenix wins.

Still Nate Grey has been established as being equal in power to Dark Phoenix and Onslaught took him out.

i think moria was stating that nate has the potential to be on par with phoenix,but i see what you mean,on another topic,wanda goes into onslaught and someone says her hex will protect her i wonder if with onslaught coming back that it will have somthing to do with wandas powers recently and his return,i mean onslaught was made from xavier and magneto add wanda and you have House of M just somthing to think about

Originally posted by Lord S
Yet when Cyclops optic-blasted him, it created a crack in his armour.

Dark Phoenix wins.

was it cyclops i thort it was savage hulk that tore onslaught armour apart?

Cyclops opened a crack by going all out with his strongest blast then Thor flew threw Onslaught grabbing Prof X then Hulk did it.

And no Moria was looking at Nates power output and said it WAS on par with Phoenix.

Scan?

Did it specify which Phoenix?

Dark phoenix?
WC?
Jean Grey with the codename of Phoenix?

Onslaught wins for one reason. As you guys said, Onslaught is extremely difficult for humans to defeat. Dark Phoenix, is a mutant. The phoenix force, is not. By specifying Dark Phoenix, you limit her power output. The phoenix force could beat Onslaught, that's not in dispute. What is whether or not Dark Phoenix, with the limits of jean's body, could defeat Onslaught. Now, all incarnations of Phoenix have unlimited power. The problem is, so does Onslaught. Feat-wise, Phoenix narrowly trumps Onslaught. Mostly cause she beat a weakened Galactus. However, big G was hungry at the time, so she might not beat a full power Galactus. Phoenix force could, but Dark Phoenix is not the limit of it's power. Basically, you handicapped DP and gave Onslaught potentially his full power. Btw, which version of Onslaught is it? Armor, beast, or psychedelic energy thingy?

Moria said Dark Phoenix.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
For example, when Pheonix Force was impaled by a fkn LASER ! The life force of this universe was harmed by a portion of itself ?.

the "life force" of the Universe?

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Onslaught created a second sun...so what ?

It's not the most awesome feat, but Phoenix has never done it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Pheonix is the life force that brought Galan from the last Universe to this to become Galactus.

Not on panel.

Galactus's Origin has been depicted THREE times On Panel, NEVER ONCE, was Phoenix mentioned.

If you can find me just ONE comic where this is drawn, I'll agree with you, but since I know your basing this idea on bios or handbooks I know you can't.

Tell me where if anywhere does it mention Phoenix supposedly "enabling Galen to incubate in the Cosmic Egg"....how about even JUST Saving Galactus...

This is the ORIGINAL depiction of Galactus's ORIGIN.

This is the SECOND time they depicted Galactus's Origin On Panel.

And this is the Third:

See anything different, yea me neither.

In ALL THREE instances, Eternity or the sentience of the Universe saved Galactus NOT Phoenix, the biatch isn't even Mentioned.

By the way, Do not be confused by the Third depiction, where the sentience is called "the ENIGMA FORCE"

The Enigma Force is what powers Captain Universe, and Captain Universe is the ESSENCE of the UNIVERSE, if He DIES...EVERYONE DIES.

Look hard...and realize Phoenix is NOT even mentioned during the Galactus history lesson.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Pheonix is the embodyment of the life force in Marvel 616,

Negative.

When Xorn shattered the Phoenix Force into a billion pieces, nothing happened to the Universe, or to any life in the Universe.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
the spark of creation.

Thoeretically,

it has never happened on panel.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Pheonix Force at its fullest power (before its been mini-retconned again and again as something weaker) is responsible for the life-giving structure of every star and world in space.

Stop counting on bios for info LU, that's a total exaggeration.

Genis-vell and Entropy destroyed and recreated Eternity, Phoenix had nothing to do with it (they gave it their own structure)

Wanda remade Eternity several times, (re-ordering it's structure, and PF had nothing to with it)

5 Cosmic Containment Units created from scratch a duplicate 616 Eternity, sustained by the thier own power, PF had nothing to do with it.

The Makers re-structured the Universe that contains the Micro-verse, PF had nothing to with it.

The Infinites re-structured 616 Eternity, again PF had nothing to with it.

Magus and Warlock BOTH REMADE Eternity with an Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet, and still PF had nothing to do with it.

I couls go on but I think you get the picture.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Onslaught had not performed feats which raise him above Dark Pheonix.

You said without PIS, Phoenix takes this,

without PIS Onslaught has Franklyn Richards powers, (who can create pocket Universe) and Nate Grey's powers which together are FAAAAR beyond DP or the PF.

Phoenix has never even created a Galaxy.

Onslaught 10/10

some people just dont know their blasted characters. dear me!

thanks Mr. Master, I was searching through books for about what LU said and also on the net but I couldnt find it.

everybody is a fanboy/girl and spew some bad information.

and i know it is going to continue so carry on, lol 🙄

Originally posted by Lord S
Onslaught can create suns...Dark Phoenix eats them.

Dark Phoenix wins.

If we're talking Onslaught with Nate and Franklin, then yeah he takes it. But just the original Xavier/Magneto combination goes down. Hard.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If we're talking Onslaught with Nate and Franklin, then yeah he takes it. But just the original Xavier/Magneto combination goes down. Hard.

Originally posted by bigbran
Didn't that one beat Phoenix?

Originally posted by bigbran
I can eat a chicken, but I can't create them.
So that means I could beat god, or whoever made them?