But the point is that everyone is under the misconception that Onslaught's creating of a second sun was done under his power. That was not the case...it was Franklin's power. Franklin's power was not an extension of his own...think of it like his Power Gem, or Infinity Gauntlet.
Onslaught was basically Xavier+Magneto, and those two are hopeless against a full-powered and ravenous Dark Phoenix.
And Jean was able to remove the psionic blocks that Onslaught placed in Juggernaut's mind. And if Nate has equal power, so what? He certainly didn't have the experience or wisdom.
Both times (Dark) Phoenix was defeated in the original story line was because she took herself down. No one short of herald is taking Dark Phoenix out.
Here is Onslaught WITHOUT Nate's or Franklin's Powers, in Astral Form:
Onslaught crushing and snuffing out the Phoenix Force like a measly candle
Phoenix is overrated:
Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (White Phoenix of the Crown) with an Electromagnetic Pulse
The Actual PHOENIX FORCE (NOT Jean, the FORCE itself) was shattered into a BILLION Pieces because of this, even the stinking OFFICIAL Marvel Site Bio expresses this FACT.
Originally posted by StarhawkThat's the third or fourth time you've said that. Stop post-whoring.
Nate Grey is equal in power to Dark Phoenix and Onslaught took him down.In the X-men issue right before Onslaught he crushes it in his hand like a tin can.
First of all, character statements mean nothing until we've seen a display of such power, on panel. That statement is nothing but hyperbole...which happens a lot in comics. (Ie. Psylocke's 'teke' being able to destroy mountains).
Secondly, Onslaught didn't take him down in any sort of fight...IIRC, he came up behind him through a portal and abducted right in front of Mr. Sinister.
Thirdly, you'd have us believe that Nate Grey is capable of supernova-ing a sun?
I say you're quite insane.
I'm not saying Nate didn't have the potential to reach Dark Phoenix type levels, but he certainly wasn't capable of exhibiting that type of power when Onslaught took him...nor could he stand up to a Thanos clone in PSI battle a short time later.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Here is Onslaught WITHOUT Nate's or Franklin's Powers, in Astral Form:Onslaught crushing and snuffing out the Phoenix Force like a measly candle
Phoenix is overrated:
Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey (White Phoenix of the Crown) with an Electromagnetic Pulse
The Actual PHOENIX FORCE (NOT Jean, the FORCE itself) was shattered into a BILLION Pieces because of this, even the stinking OFFICIAL Marvel Site Bio expresses this FACT.
And your point with these scans is what? That Onslaught can crush an avatar on the astral plane? And? Why wasn't he able to wrest the "secret" of the PF from Jean, considering that he had the Professor's TP (who knows her better than just about anyone)? Why did he ask her to join instead of just taking her like he did Franklin and Nate?
The force was shattered because the host was dead. This is nothing new. It doesn't diminish the power of Phoenix in the slightest. And that wasn't "White Crown" Phoenix. That wasn't until Jean had transcended after Here Comes Tomorrow.
And you certainly can't compare the actions of a benevolent behaving Jean Grey to the malefic nature of Dark Phoenix. Onslaught was powerful, no doubt. He's also very calculating.
DP isn't calculating in the slightest. She doesn't have to be. The more she uses her power, the more it grows. If you want to raise the issue of Phoenix as well as DP, then use the feats as well--all of them.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
And your point with these scans is what? That Onslaught can crush an avatar on the astral plane? And? Why wasn't he able to wrest the "secret" of the PF from Jean, considering that he had the Professor's TP (who knows her better than just about anyone)? Why did he ask her to join instead of just taking her like he did Franklin and Nate?The force was shattered because the host was dead. This is nothing new. It doesn't diminish the power of Phoenix in the slightest. And that wasn't "White Crown" Phoenix. That wasn't until Jean had transcended after Here Comes Tomorrow.
And you certainly can't compare the actions of a benevolent behaving Jean Grey to the malefic nature of Dark Phoenix. Onslaught was powerful, no doubt. He's also very calculating.
DP isn't calculating in the slightest. She doesn't have to be. The more she uses her power, the more it grows. If you want to raise the issue of Phoenix as well as DP, then use the feats as well--all of them.
Theoretically, the Phoenix Force is the SPARK that Ignites the Big Bang cyclically for a Universe when it's time has come to be recycled.
Theoretically because it has NEVER happened On Panel.
Now On Panel,
the Phoenix in ALL it's forms, is a joke in the Cosmic Hierarchy.
Let us begin shall we:
Unlike other AVATARS, Rachel Summers is the DAUGHTER of Jean Grey (the White Phoenix of the Crown)
The Actual PHOENIX FORCE is controlled by Rachel Summers
This is no surprise:
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel, " You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
NOW:
Rachel Summers (while in the 616 Universe) with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Mordred, and Mordred is in ANOTHER Universe, (Mordred has absolute control of Rachel)
Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE getting Owned by Quasar
Quasar holding his own against Rachel Summers with the PHOENIX FORCE, AND Mordred, while protecting Nightcrawler, Meggan and Captain Britain
Rachel Summers getting KNOCKED Out by Thor with ONE blast,
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Now lets observe Jean Grey (White Phoenix of the Crown) getting OWNED all over the place:
"Phoenix AGAIN REGAINED Her FULL, GodLike Powers"
Then gets ZAPPED ONCE and DIES.
Different angle:
Onslaught crushing and snuffing out the Phoenix Force like a measly candle
Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey the (White Phoenix of the Crown) and exploding the PHOENIX FORCE into a Billion pieces with an Electromagnetic Pulse,
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The Actual PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT an AVATAR) again is manipulated
"an Ancient Crippled Alien Construct brought the PHOENIX FORCE here by WRENCHING it through the Space/Time Continuum from ITS NATIVE UNIVERSE"
Rose Hunt with ONE blast, FLOORS the Phoenix Force
Look at how the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE leave's Amber Hunt's body
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"The Ship SNARED the PHOENIX FORM from another Dimension to be the driving source"
And this is the ON PANEL evidence of this EVENT
While the PHOENIX FORCE is in it's NATURAL STATE (Truly the MOST Powerful version, even beyond WPOTC or Jean Grey)
The SHIP, rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Universe
"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"
THEN, the SHIP attacks the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE, the SHIP wants to drain the energy of the FORCE
"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"
"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"
"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT, the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"
"TRULY, the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"
The PHOENIX manages to break free for a moment (though NEAR DEATH)
"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS, to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL, it MUST find a Host"
The SHIP allows the PHOENIX to escape for now,
"to locate it's pilot program BEFORE DRAINING IT ENTIRELY"
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A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (SIX in ALL) are sent to battle the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT an AVATAR)
"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH"
AND they're STILL holding their own
Amber Hunt & Gate tear a Hole through Time & Space,
The Six heroes BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal
The PHOENIX FORCE ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years
Originally posted by Mr Master
Rachel as the ONE and True Phoenix,Dark Phoenix
Jean Grey as the White Crown,
and the Phoenix Force itself,
are all Overrated, that's my point.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
I must say though, it's fascinating that you have so many scans of a character/concept that you despise so much.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Uhh, I didn't draw those scans,
they're from Marvel issues,
so Marvel's entitled to their opinion is a more accurate statement.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
I must say though, it's fascinating that you have so many scans of a character/concept that you despise so much.
I have so many scans of EVERYONE my friend.
Mr Master what a joke you are i have been on this site for over a month or so and everybody i have a conversation with laughs at you heheh
that was not the phoenix onslaught crushes period,they are in the astral plane and he is trying to convince jean to take his side,also you love to use the scan from a crossover which is not allowed but you do it anyway,you quote from a bio for your own good but then you put down when people say the phoenix was instrumental in galactus's origin which comes from a bio,you really think your flunkies think you know better than marvel? ive seen in other threads where you are called out for misrepresenting the scans you post and you disappear with your tail between your legs,not everybody can scan and upload pics and such that does not make them wrong, you act like a bully, in Brooklyn New York your called a punk
Originally posted by starlock
Mr Master what a joke you are i have been on this site for over a month or so and everybody i have a conversation with laughs at you heheh
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Originally posted by starlock
that was not the phoenix onslaught crushes period,they are in the astral plane and he is trying to convince jean to take his side,
Learn to read newb,
I clearly said Onslaught was in the Astral Plane.
these yuky children, why do they infest our forum.
Originally posted by starlock
also you love to use the scan from a crossover which is not allowed but you do it anyway,
What cross over you nitwit?
Originally posted by starlock
you quote from a bio for your own good but then you put down when people say the phoenix was instrumental in galactus's origin which comes from a bio,
Bonehead,
what I quoted from a bio, IS DEPICTED ON PANEL!
Phoenix being involved in Galactus's Origin, IS NOT ON PANEL!
Go READ COMICS!
Originally posted by starlock
you really think your flunkies think you know better than marvel?
Not at all,
but evidently far better than your simplicity.
Originally posted by starlock
ive seen in other threads where you are called out for misrepresenting the scans you post and you disappear with your tail between your legs,
I challenge you to find one.
Originally posted by starlock
not everybody can scan and upload pics and such that does not make them wrong, you act like a bully, in Brooklyn New York your called a punk
stfu2
Brooklyn New York?
yawn
