Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Thanks for the scans,
Anytime friend.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
but disregarding the Bios and author's descriptions of thier characters, while only paying attention to on panel information is not a complete reference either
I feel you LU,
but honestly, the only thing that counts for me, is what's drawn, and a bio reference will ONLY be considered IF, it co-incides with the on panel evidence.
basically, if it didn't happen on panel, then it didn't happen.
but that's me, and by no means am I trying to force that style on anyone.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
However, let me regress since Dark Pheonix's storyline occurred way before the retcon of Pheonix's involvement in Galactus's transmigtration from the previous universe.
This is a good example,
this never happened on panel, so imo, it's inconsequential.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
also, you gotta understand bro...Marvel, Like DC and Image, Contradicts itself [b]ALL THE TIME. One day Pheonix is this powerful, one day she's that powerful. [/B]
I agree, there's contradictions, I wouldn't say ALL the time though.
Phoenix, since BEFORE DP came into the picture has never been too impressive.
In fact, on her own, the greatest feat ever performed by the Phoenix was eating a Sun.
During the Mkraan Crystal saga,
The Network of interlocking Stasis Fields Phoenix Repaired, was IMPOSSIBLE without the HELP of ALL the X-Men plus Corsair.
The Projection of the Excalibur Watch Tower through out the Multi-verse,
was IMPOSSIBLE without the Interfaces across the Multi-verse being Aligned (it opens a Door to every Universe for a short while) so Phoenix duplicated the first Tower that was located in 616, and the rest of the Towers duplicated simultaneously through out the Multi-verse BECAUSE of the Alignment.
The only other big feat, performed by the White Phoenix of the Crown was Repairing a Future Timeline, she NEEDED the White Hot Room to do that.
She also needed the White Hot Room just to Alter that Timeline, by going into the past and changing Scotts mind about Emma, therefore avoiding the events of Here Comes Tomorrow (yes I know quite cheesy)
There was a big show with the so called "Universe in hands" bit, but that was just a visualization of the Universe which allowed her to see the Future (Here Comes Tomorrow) before she changed it.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Regardless, although Onslaught is very powerful on the Astral Plane, the only feat he had performed that even suggests he is on Dark Pheonix's level was the creation of the second sun.
I agree,
well taking out Nate Grey was pretty badass too.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
However, he can create as many suns as he wants, DP will keep on eating them.
Actually without PIS, a Franklin Richards amped Onsalught oughta be able to create pocket Universes.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What do you thnk would happen if Onslaught was exposed to a blast from one of his own suns ?
What do you think would happen to Phoenix if a pocket Universe imploded on top of her?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I mean if Onslaught's armor was crushed by Hulk, and then his energy body was disrupted by non-mutant hosts, It is very logical and probable that a blast from a star would dissipate that energy he consisted of.
It would destroy his armor, releasing his Energy Form which is even more powerful still.
And btw, it was Namor, Hulk and Doom together that opened his armor.
And another thing, that same trick they pulled wouldn't work in a Phoenix ALONE versus Onslaught battle, who's going to enter his Energy Form to make him tangible?
Phoenix is on her own in this one.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Again, you may yell [b]"PIS ! PIS !" But I consider Dark Pheonix's defeat due to self-sacrafice with a Shiar weapon to be even GREATER PIS. [/B]
Nah,
no PIS needed to be yelled, because Phoenix has no help, so no one can enter his Energy Form, (that's what made it PIS in the arc)
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And you know what? Neither of us should be PULLING that Card since you insist of relying on on-panel evidense only. With all due respect, Mr. Master, you cannot claim that on-panel feats are all that matter, and then scream "that was PIS, so it doesn't count"....it happened.
Woh there friend,
with all due respect I never said it didn't happen, I said it was PIS.
And like I said already, that PIS can not be repeated if Phoenix is fighting him alone.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He was defeated in a way that suggests Dark Pheonix could have beaten him even faster.
How so?
Phoenix can't create life on the spot to enter Onslaught's form, she's gonna have to fight for the win.
And when considering Onslaught's cleverness and intelligence mixed with his power, it will be nasty for both parties.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
ALSO, in the Dark Pheonix Saga, DP made it very clear of her abilities to create and destroy. I doubt that was just her bluffing since that was the first time PF inhabitted a human host (at the time the story was written).
Well, this is where it gets foggy,
Because Phoenix has never created anything even close to a planetary scale on panel.
Bottom line:
I would say Phoenix takes a normal Onsalught with a fight (Xavier and Magneto)
Phoenix loses horribly to an amped up Onslaught (Nate and Franklin or just Franklin alone)
