God should speak up for himself

did you just use david blain and jesus in the same sentence? blain is an illusionist, nothing more. that just ludicrous.

Why do you want to be a believer in the first place? Just kick back and live your life. I don't see why people feel the need to believe in something like god or religion. The best answer to the question "is there a god" is who give a rats ass it's not important.

If god showed you a sign of his presence you will be left with nothing but more questions.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
did you just use david blain and jesus in the same sentence? blain is an illusionist, nothing more. that just ludicrous.

Well, at least I am rather sure that Blaine exists.

Why is it ludicrous to compare the two? Because you and others think that Jesus is the son of God? Well, if Blaine would have done that stuff back then people would have thought him a Miracle worker as well. And he could have pretended to be the son of God, don't you think?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, at least I am rather sure that Blaine exists.

Why is it ludicrous to compare the two? Because you and others think that Jesus is the son of God? Well, if Blaine would have done that stuff back then people would have thought him a Miracle worker as well. And he could have pretended to be the son of God, don't you think?

Hell I could have clamed to be the son of god back then people were so stupid. Comparen the to makes perfect since the only difference is we are smart enough now to see through the BS. Jesus would get booed off stage for his magic show today, walking on water is lame.

I'm the same i don't possibly see how god is real and i don't understand how people can have so much faith in something so far-fetched(in my opinion).

It seems to me people are using any excuse to make god seem real

example: someone surviving a car crash ,a believer would automatically say the survival was due to there faith in god,

whereas it could be the fact the survivor was wearing his seat belt,

and if "god" really produced all those impossible miracles all them years ago why is it that now when the world has advanced so much and when we need him most ,does he fail to perform?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
did you just use david blain and jesus in the same sentence? blain is an illusionist, nothing more. that just ludicrous.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, at least I am rather sure that Blaine exists.

Why is it ludicrous to compare the two? Because you and others think that Jesus is the son of God? Well, if Blaine would have done that stuff back then people would have thought him a Miracle worker as well. And he could have pretended to be the son of God, don't you think?

Much the same with the legend of Merlin, having an understanding of alchemy looks like magic to the one that doesn’t know about chemistry.

so, quick question. what do you guys think happens when we die?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so, quick question. what do you guys think happens when we die?

Life ends. No dreams. No other world. No spirit. Nothing but empty dark silence terrifying if you think about it too much.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so, quick question. what do you guys think happens when we die?

I' m inclined to join in the speculation that any and all consciousness ceases to exist at death, and that death itself is ultimately the exact same experience as prior to conception.

I fell in a pool when I was 6 and died for a little bit and I know nothing of it one minite my eye were open and I was sucking in water then next I was coughing up water. I didn't see a light or anything just emptiness; no sound; no feeling; nothing. For me nothing scares me more than that feeling.

Death doesn't scare me, the pain and suffering to get there does a bit.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

Is that [b]TOO MUCH to ask of an Almighty God ? To just prove his existance ? Or am I asking too much? 🙄 [/B]

Like that?? 🙄

Originally posted by debbiejo
I EXIST!
Signed........God

Like that?? 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I didn't dismiss anything. I am waiting for God to show himself. If he only shows himself through my intentional application of him onto a situation, then it doesn't mean anything.

I am basically saying that so far I am not convinced. As much as people are telling me, I doubt any one person can convince me. If God cannot convince me of his existance, himself, then I will remain a non-beleiver.

that's what I was saying about my last statement was that i can't convince you. and no one can besides God.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Death doesn't scare me, the pain and suffering to get there does a bit.

But I’m sure dieing most other ways of dieing hurt. Getting skinned alive or slowly burn to death are probably the worst.

[QUOTE=7807061]Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
[B]Bah, that argument annoys me so much -

First we have the: You don't believe in God, and you never would no matter how much evidence you had.

Which is completely tosh and poppycock. Since there is all the evidence in the world of people going around believing in things they feel they are justified in believing. Things they have evidence for their belief. It is like the lamest get out of jail card:

Person One: Where is the evidence for God?
Person Two: No evidence would be ever enough for you! It is your fault you don't believe in God, it is your own pig headiness!
Person One: *looks at feet* Gee... I
Person Two: *Runs away while person one isn't looking*

If an Atheist got evidence their was a God they would believe. Because you see Atheist doesn't mean "person who knows their is a God but chooses not to believe", no it is much more "a person who sees no evidence to justify such a belief." Really Atheism can be blamed far more on God, as it is he, with every Atheist I know, that I see justification for it. For someone who loves us so much he seems rather impotent in understanding how we think. If he can't understand an Atheists mind set, then he is no God.

Second - The whole proof destroys faith. In ancient Egypt, In ancient Greece they had things known as natural gods. Gods of suns and storms and fertility. Every time they saw these things doing what they were meant to this affirmed their faith. Ra and Seth and Persephone were real and making the world go round. Did the fact these people believe they were getting proof of their gods mean they didn't have faith? No. It is interesting so much of this whole "Faith, just faith" only really took off with the monotheistic religions with their aloof God's. By distancing themselves from the natural world phenomena and claiming uncharted territories that people would struggle to explain (soul, after life, beginnings etc) they protected themselves for a time from doubt. And "proof destroys faith" was a damn good way to stop people asking questions.

Despite, in terms of definition, it is possible to have faith in a friend, and it is possible that faith can be built upon a persons evidence that that friend is deserving of that faith.

Hmmm. I imagine you mean the Bible. Your copy printed on man made paper, written by men, in a language created by man, translated by men. Preached by men. Benefiting men only if they believe it.

I agree that faith should be able to stand on something (evidence of some sort) however i don't have time to get into all the evidence of things and why some people don't believe in them. As far as all athist believing if their was evidence that's not true. Many athist still believe in darweenan (spelled wrong) evolution even though that's been disproven multiple times (not all evolution just that one theory). As far as uzin goes he knows all about the bible and was a "Christian" for like 18 years he knows most likely everything I know so what would I have to tell him. And yeah i know all about evolution and creationism and I have made an intelligent decision about the matter. Both atheism and theism require faith because simply we don't know everything there is to know. I'm not trying to bash atheist i understand that many of them have looked at both sides and have decided to go with atheism. All I was saying in my comment is that i don't thing any one on this forum or anyway is going to convince uzin either way. Just because it seems to me he knows all the information.

as far as the bible comment once again it comes from the faith I have that the writers (the original writers) were inspired by God to write it. if you don't believe that, that's fine with me i don't need you to justify the conclusions i have come to.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i kinda understand where you are coming from. i really do. but, god places us here on earth with free will. we can believe what we want to. if you are a christian, atheist, muslim, whatever....you make this decision yourself. he is not gonna make you believe, you have to make that decision yourself.

Yes, but if you make the wrong decision, you'll end up in Hell 🙄

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
also, god and\or jesus is not gonna rise to your "challenge." he is above petty BS like that.

He's above that, yet he's not above sending people to Hell/Eternal Torment for disobeying him ? 🤨

He's above that, yet he's not above sending people to Hell/Eternal Torment for disobeying him ? 🤨 [/B][/QUOTE]
in a nutshell.

Any being that would send another to an eternal torment is just plain evil!!