Vader, canoncally, is slow...there's no getting around it. EU doesn't matter because, IT'S EU. Movies are the highest form of canon, and he is in fact slow. As youcan tell by using your gift of site, and by using your gift of hearing, and listening to GL say it himself.
Now, does that mean that Maul will because he's faster? Of course not. With Vader's customized form, he doesn't NEED to be fast. He'll chop you down and wear you out, then strike you down. All he would need to do is crush or choke Maul. If he can tear apart a door (which was EU) then he can rip apart Maul...physically, like tear his limbs off through the force. Maul stands no chance.
Originally posted by Darth Subjektok i get your point, But sadly it has been recorded that vader actually could do those things. And no statements have been made of a contradiction
Vader, canoncally, is slow...there's no getting around it. EU doesn't matter because, IT'S EU. Movies are the highest form of canon, and he is in fact slow. As youcan tell by using your gift of site, and by using your gift of hearing, and listening to GL say it himself.
O and you want to use higher canon from movies? Then DE series completely contradicts ROTJ cuz we saw boba fett die. Try to explain that. And we are using EU vader in this battle
yup boba is alive, how can you say movies are the highest canon the highest canon should be the creator of course im not saying he shouldnt watch what he say like oh well boba fett is actually kerit the frog well of course thats not canon, but like when lucas stated or implied palps would own mace straight up but let him win then i would believe him.
Darth sion is a sith lord from kotor2. His flesh has been cracked and torn apart and his bones have been splintered time and again, He survived by his sheer will power alone. That is why i said palpatines statement is true of "sith power resides in the will, not flesh" And when pal says something, he is usually right because id rate him the smartest sith inall of star wars
Originally posted by Kadesh
ok i get your point, But sadly it has been recorded that vader actually could do those things. And no statements have been made of a contradictionO and you want to use higher canon from movies? Then DE series completely contradicts ROTJ cuz we saw boba fett die. Try to explain that. And we are using EU vader in this battle
We don't see him die, we see him fall into the Sarlacc, and it is explained how he escapes in his series of novels. No contradiction.
Originally posted by CradoUm yes we did, all those who fell into the pit were assumed dead. And didnt some one here mentioned that the commentary stated he died? By the way, "Movie is higher canon". we saw boba die on screen. Novels arent higher canon. And i doubt the rotj novel said he survied.
We don't see him die, we see him fall into the Sarlacc, and it is explained how he escapes in his series of novels. No contradiction.
That is why i said whats done has been done. If the EU showed boba leaving alive then so be it, accept it. The same can be said for vaders speed. If he has already done things we think he cant, what can we do? nothing am i correct?
well i dont know, it might be vaders custamised form which MAKES him look fast. i think we all need to argue on this one dont cha think.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Um yes we did, all those who fell into the pit were assumed dead.
Keyword: assumed.
All we saw depicted on screen is that he fell. It's never stated that it's unfeasible to ever escape the Sarlacc, nor that he actually died. It's that he was presumed to be dead. Boba Fett proved that it's not impossible to escape, but implausible (although, if I recall, somewhere it's said that a Hutt survived, but I assume it's non-canon):
"These reports are allegedly from the only person known to survive being swallowed by a Sarlacc -- the bounty hunter Boba Fett. His iron will and Mandalorian armor kept him alive inside the beast, and his weapons-covered suit afforded him escape from agony. It would be years before both Fett's body and reputation recovered from the Sarlacc. "
-- Star Wars databank, Sarlacc.
So as it would seem, he did survive, and it is consider canonical and fits in with continuity, and to further prove that point Leland Chee agrees:
"Boba Fett climbs out of the Sarlacc in the Marvel comic only to be thrown back in again while inside the hull of a sandcrawler. His real escape is chronicled elsewhere in various other sources."
-- Leland Chee, Movie Characters killed in the EU.
And that Boba Fett actually survived twice, apparently, because he notes that the only non-continuity death on his list is Watto's.
And didnt some one here mentioned that the commentary stated he died?
No, because it didn't.
By the way, "Movie is higher canon". we saw boba die on screen.
No, we didn't. We saw him fall, we didn't see him die. There's quite a difference.
Once in the Sarlacc's body, he was able to survive quite simply due to his armor (and willpower, noted by the Sarlacc's semi-sentient habits). And he eventually escaped, as his armor (which protects heavily against blaster bolts, intense heat, acid, et cetera) protected him. And further looking into the case, it's revealed in Fett's databank entry for the Expanded Universe:
"When he plunged into the beast, he was kept alive by numerous fibrous suckers that attached themselves to his body. This was part of the Sarlacc's horrible metabolic process; it would keep its prey alive for thousands of years, all the while slowly feeding off it. Fett almost lost his identity in the swirling dementia brought about by the Sarlacc's toxins. His resolve held, and he used his weapons to blast free of the beast."
Which explains exactly how Fett survived.
And for reinforcement purposes, falling is not dying, and you do not die instantly from being dropped into the Great Pit of Carkoon to the Sarlacc as proven.
Novels arent higher canon. And i doubt the rotj novel said he survied.
Who said the RotJ novelization said he survived? It's explained in later novels, noted in the databank, and confirmed by Leland Chee.
Now, before you go on with "BUT ADDVENT WAT ABOUT VADER SPD LOL?" there's also a huge difference in attempting to analogize Darth Vader to Boba Fett in the manner you are doing because Boba Fett was never delineated on screen to die (key). He was shown to simply fall, and later tales chronicle on how he survived. However, Vader was unmistakably shown on screen to be a slow, crippled cyborg. So, the comparison is pretty faulty given that fact.
I'm not saying you cannot make an argument for his speed using another example, but the same thing cannot be said for Vader's speed in comparison to Boba's death due to the actuality (although, I'd assume majority of arguments will be futile and/or faulty anyways).
