Originally posted by Prodigal Knightthats one writer's OPINION of what the duel would be like, that one isnt canon anyway, and he didnt win by skill, actually if i recall Maul had him on his knees before he made his little sacrifice.
Vader is slow, but not weak. He is able to take on several Jedi at once (8) and own them. In the Vader vs. Tyrannus, he's been literally accepted by the majority (with the exceptions of Rampant Ox, Darthsith19, and some others) as the greater. And the comicbooks shows Vader killing Maul in a SABER DUEL, so your argument collapses.
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Exactly, which strengthens the argument that he can take on 8 Jedi and win. And this Vader right after ROTS. Imagine how powerful TESB Vader would have been?
he would be worse, seeing as how he dosent have any more jedi to fight and all hes doing is squashing little uprisings against the empire. there is no one at least decent left to fight?
The Jedi Order was said to have contain 10,000 members. It is said that slightly more than 1% survived. This is probably 150 Jedi or so. 8 Jedi were killed on Kessel. And let's say 50 Jedi survived the Purga altogether. This leaves Vader with 92 other Jedi. Vader hunted many Jedi, my friend.
thats one writer's OPINION of what the duel would be like, that one isnt canon anyway, and he didnt win by skill, actually if i recall Maul had him on his knees before he made his little sacrifice.
What do you mean opinion? Then every Star Wars duel written in a book is opinion! It was written and was published. As for whether canon or not remains to be seen. And yes, Vader was ambushed by a Sith Lord he has never seen before. And yet, he was able to get his act together and kill Maul.
if it isnt canon, which it isnt, then its just somebody's opinon. like somone writing a short story about Mace dueling Revan or something like that.
and no he didnt have his act together, he was on the defensive the entire time. Again Maul had him on his knees, if thats what you call getting your act together, then i guess he knew what he was doing when fought he Luke on Endor.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A correction in my above list: [B]Dama Montalvo was not present in the meeting but Sia-Lan Wezz was.So, the correct list is:
1) Koffi Arana
2) Tsui Choi
3) Roblio Darte
4) Jastus Farr
5) Ma'kis'shaalas
6) Sia-Lan Wezz
7) Shadday Potkin
8) Bultar SwanHere is account of this battle:
Jedi Master Shadday Potkin organized a meeting for Jedi in a planet called "Kessel. 7 other Jedi joined her in that meeting and their names are in my list.
NOTE: Two of the Jedi: 1) Roblio Darte and 2) Jastus Farr were Jedi knights actually. The rest were Jedi Masters.
The purpose of this meeting was to trap Vader and kill him. And as expected, Vader soon attacked the Jedi.
Vader quickly killed one two Jedi: 1) Sia-Lan Wezz 2) Ma'kis'shaalas in a Saber Duel.
Then Jedi Master Shadday Potkin attacked him with a cortosis blade and managed to corner Vader and dispose of his lightsaber but then Vader used the Force to grab Shadday and steal her weapon, then snapped her neck.
Now Vader using the cortosis blade disabled the Light Sabers of two more Jedi: 1) Roblio Darte and 2) Koffi Arana.
Then two Jedi Masters: 1) Tsui Choi and 2) Bultar Swan engaged Vader with their Light Sabers and seriously injured him in the dueling.
At this point Koffi Arana demanded a Light Saber from Bultar but he refused to give it, so Arana killed him which was the first major mistake.
Then Arana took Bultar's saber and charged towards Vader. This was a second mistake and Vader send the cortosis blade from his severed hand through Arana with a wave of the hand, and grabed a spare Light Saber dropped by one of the dead Jedi.
Now only 3 Jedi are left: Tsui, Roblio and Jastus.
These three remaining Jedi resorted to use the Force against Vader and start hurling rocks at Vader. Vader was now almost defeated and Tsui Choi prepared to finish him off, but suddenly 501st Legion of Stormtroopers show up and began firing on the Jedi.
Jedi Master Tsui Choi got distracted, while the two other Jedi knights: 1) Jastus Farr and 2) Roblio Darte were killed by the troops.
But taking advantage of this distraction Vader freezed Tsui Choi in the air (like using "Force Stun" in KOTOR games). Tsui in a last effort to kill Vader managed to throw his saber at him, which cut a hole in Vader's armour but still failed to kill Vader. Then stormtroopers killed the last Jedi as well. [/B]
😐 wow. Vader's now officially my new favorite Sith.
Um, excuse me, but apparently have you even considered the fact that Vader was stuffed into some black lifesuit and was supposed to fight against Jedi in a armor that severely lowers his mobility? Apparently not. Anakin was supposed to be one of THE FASTEST warriors in the Jedi Order. But as this suited machine, he has become in terms of speed, one of the slowest Jedi ever.
Now we have Vader, who has a considerably little experience in this suit, taking on 8 members of the Order who are awaiting him and are ready to kill him. Vader takes on all 8 of these Jedi and kills four of them.
Do you think Maul could have taken on those 8 Jedi? Perhaps, but I'm sure he would have mostly likely gotten killed.
And again, that was Vader just after ROTS. Now consider TESB Vader, who fights with the lightsaber and the Force simueltaneosly. Vader would own Maul in the Force. In the lightsaber, Vader has Jedi hunting practice. Also he ordered the manufacture of special training droids who are much more of a "practice" than those which the Jedi practice with.
In addition, Vader has mastered several forms which he applies in his fights. He has mastered Djem So to the highest degree. Maul has no chance in hell in a lightsaber fight against Vader.
Since the comic is not canon, you can't argue that your precious Maul brought Vader to his knees. Sorry. I can concede that Maul would be an irritation to Vader, using his speed to erk the Sith Lord. However, Maul will find himself stabbed by a lightsaber in the end.
Um, excuse me, but apparently have you even considered the fact that Vader was stuffed into some black lifesuit and was supposed to fight against Jedi in a armor that severely lowers his mobility? Apparently not. Anakin was supposed to be one of THE FASTEST warriors in the Jedi Order. But as this suited machine, he has become in terms of speed, one of the slowest Jedi ever.
ok........whats your point?
Now we have Vader, who has a considerably little experience in this suit, taking on 8 members of the Order who are awaiting him and are ready to kill him. Vader takes on all 8 of these Jedi and kills four of them.
In the lightsaber, Vader has Jedi hunting practice. Also he ordered the manufacture of special training droids who are much more of a "practice" than those which the Jedi practice with.HAD jedi hunting practice, and droids are nothing to the real thing, besides during Maul's training up until his first enounter with an actual jedi, he trained with deadly droids as well, way more deadlier than anything the jedi trained with.
In addition, Vader has mastered several forms which he applies in his fights. He has mastered Djem So to the highest degree. Maul has no chance in hell in a lightsaber fight against Vader.No chance in hell..... yet as you stated earlier hes one of the slowest jedi (why you told me that, i still havent figured out?), with Maul being all about speed and acrobatics, he hardly gives his opponets enough time to breath let alone switch up their style, i would think a dueler like Maul is Vader's worst nightmare, because you have a best strength compared to worst weakness. And he was trained from birth, all he knows is fighting and the Dark Side, just because we havent seen him exploit some of his powers, dosent mean he dosent have them
Since the comic is not canon, you can't argue that your precious Maul brought Vader to his knees. Sorry. I can concede that Maul would be an irritation to Vader, using his speed to erk the Sith Lord. However, Maul will find himself stabbed by a lightsaber in the end.
wow.... since YOU'RE the one who brought it up 🙄
Look man, firstly being slow does not mean you will get pwned, Tsui choi is alot faster than vader and yet vader could parry his moves so easily.
Did you forget in the purge vader could shred a 1m thick blast door apart as if it was nothing and blow it back many yards by just screaming "where is my obi wan!"
Not to forget that in RODV he ripped a tree out of the ground, a tree which is undamaged by blaster fire and hurled it at roan shryne.
Also lets not forget how incredible his fight was against the dark woman, Pulling an entire waterfall attemping to drown her, Too bad the water was shallow, And lets not forget he crushed an entire tree the size of redwood trees and dropped them on the dark woman.
You read star wars empire VOL 1? He pushed a thug 50m and slamed him strait on to a wall killing the guy, And o yea forgot to mentione that vader has been known to crush tanks with the force on the battle field as proven in Eaw and being able to kill dozens of rebel soldiers with force wave alone.
And lets not forget TESB vader is far more powerful than Purge vader who took on 8 jedi masters. Him being able to kill his officer from a distance far far away.
Originally posted by KadeshForce, Force, Force, Force and more Force. were not debating that, i said earlier with force involved, Vader wins. SABER ONLY i think Maul wins. And i dont know why you're telling being slow dosent mean your gonna get pwned, im pretty sure i didnt say anything about anyone getting owned, except in that comic Knight brought up, which indeed has Maul owning AGAIN, until Vader makes a life threatening sacrifice. (damn maul and his cockiness)
Look man, firstly being slow does not mean you will get pwned, Tsui choi is alot faster than vader and yet vader could parry his moves so easily.Did you forget in the purge vader could shred a 1m thick blast door apart as if it was nothing and blow it back many yards by just screaming "where is my obi wan!"
Not to forget that in RODV he ripped a tree out of the ground, a tree which is undamaged by blaster fire and hurled it at roan shryne.
Also lets not forget how incredible his fight was against the dark woman, Pulling an entire waterfall attemping to drown her, Too bad the water was shallow, And lets not forget he crushed an entire tree the size of redwood trees and dropped them on the dark woman.
You read star wars empire VOL 1? He pushed a thug 50m and slamed him strait on to a wall killing the guy, And o yea forgot to mentione that vader has been known to crush tanks with the force on the battle field as proven in Eaw and being able to kill dozens of rebel soldiers with force wave alone.
And lets not forget TESB vader is far more powerful than Purge vader who took on 8 jedi masters. Him being able to kill his officer from a distance far far away.
Originally posted by Broke Beati can end your arguements about vader losing in a saber battle by giving you this quote
Force, Force, Force, Force and more Force. were not debating that, i said earlier with force involved, Vader wins. SABER ONLY i think Maul wins. And i dont know why you're telling being slow dosent mean your gonna get pwned, im pretty sure i didnt say anything about anyone getting owned, except in that comic Knight brought up, which indeed has Maul owning AGAIN, until Vader makes a life threatening sacrifice. (damn maul and his cockiness)
Around 3.5 ABY, Vader had ordered ASP-19 droids, lightsaber combat droids based off the ASP-series droid, to be produced to fight him in sparring matches. They were faster and stronger than an ordinary man, and programmed with the knowledge of a hundred sword masters and a dozen fighting styles. Vader defeated them time and again, and thus ordered new, improved batches of them. As his finesse improved, they became too easy to defeat, even in a two-on-one match.