No chance in hell..... yet as you stated earlier hes one of the slowest jedi (why you told me that, i still havent figured out?), with Maul being all about speed and acrobatics, he hardly gives his opponets enough time to breath let alone switch up their style, i would think a dueler like Maul is Vader's worst nightmare, because you have a best strength compared to worst weakness. And he was trained from birth, all he knows is fighting and the Dark Side, just because we havent seen him exploit some of his powers, dosent mean he dosent have them
Yes, but like Kadesh says, slow doesn't mean weak. Just because Maul is fast, he is eventually going to bang sabers with Vader. Then Vader will use immense Djem So power to drive Maul back and then overwhelm him. Yes, Vader uses the Force against many enemies, however he many times just uses his saber might to slay powerful Jedi. Look at the Dark Women getting destroyed by Vader. This is what Maul is going to face in a lightsaber fight against the Darth.
wow.... since YOU'RE the one who brought it up
I did not know it was noncanon. So thanks for telling me that. Therefore any arguments of Maul being close to Vader is not true.
Originally posted by Kadeshi read your quote, it really wasnt much. you missed the concept i was implying, droids are one thing...... the living is different.
Um theres a difference between saber droids and remotes, READ the quote again
Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Yes, but like Kadesh says, slow doesn't mean weak. Just because Maul is fast, he is eventually going to bang sabers with Vader. Then Vader will use immense Djem So power to drive Maul back and then overwhelm him. Yes, Vader uses the Force against many enemies, however he many times just uses his saber might to slay powerful Jedi. Look at the Dark Women getting destroyed by Vader. This is what Maul is going to face in a lightsaber fight against the Darth.I did not know it was noncanon. So thanks for telling me that. Therefore any arguments of Maul being close to Vader is not true.
hes fighting a woman, of course he'll overpower her physically. Dark Woman and Maul are not the same people, they're isnt a single comparison between the 2. Vader wont overpower Maul using whatever brute stength your talking about, if thats what your implying with your arguement.
Luke with just 3 yrs of training put him on his ass twice at Endor. Now this is the Vader with his highly acclaimed "supreme" training techniques and power, getting worked by someone, who in terms of real jedi training, picked up a lightsaber yesterday. SABER ONLY, maul wins this IN MY OPINION.
Originally posted by Broke BeatYea droids which are faster and stronger than a normal jedi in strength and programed with the knowledge of a hunderd swod masters. Maul is going to get wacked
i read your quote, it really wasnt much. you missed the concept i was implying, droids are one thing...... the living is different.
Originally posted by Broke BeatHe dont give jack about EU, so dont make excuses
how is it not true. Did Lucas say something? is it official somewhere? because all im hearing right now are opinions.
Originally posted by Broke BeatYes he will. He sliced and diced sialan wezz before her dead body hit the floor and parried with tsui choi who is far faster than him
hes fighting a woman, of course he'll overpower her physically. Dark Woman and Maul are not the same people, they're isnt a single comparison between the 2. Vader wont overpower Maul using whatever brute stength your talking about, if thats what your implying with your arguement.
Originally posted by Broke BeatLets just say that luke used vaders own form of Djem so to overpower his own father, And that vader underesitmated luke AND WAS ORDERED to turn him to the dark side not kill him!
Luke with just 3 yrs of training put him on his ass twice at Endor. Now this is the Vader with his highly acclaimed "supreme" training techniques and power, getting worked by someone, who in terms of real jedi training, picked up a lightsaber yesterday. SABER ONLY, maul wins this IN MY OPINION.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Yea droids which are faster and stronger than a normal jedi in strength and programed with the knowledge of a hunderd swod masters. Maul is going to get wackedHe dont give jack about EU, so dont make excuses
Yes he will. He sliced and diced sialan wezz before her dead body hit the floor and parried with tsui choi who is far faster than himLets just say that luke used vaders own form of Djem so to overpower his own father, And that vader underesitmated luke AND WAS ORDERED to turn him to the dark side not kill him!
ok thats cool that he has his little robots, but does that topple the fact that with all those beautiful droids, and his power and all that mess aside, he got his ass handed to him by Luke, with barely any saber
training, did he even know what Djem So was at that time? but regardless I would think a "MASTER of many forms including his immense Djem So power," could at least contain him..... but nope, He says the magic words, and 10 seconds later Vader is screaming in pain with his hand cut off.
Vader took on 8 average at best jedi, and barely survived the encounter because he tried to take them all on at the same time. And fortunately for him they tried to jump him stupidly with someone holding a cortosis blade, not taking into consideration that if the wielder died, they would all be ****ed because they would be defenseless.
Maul raped the entire Black Sun by himself, without being touched. he even showed up at the headquarters and chopped up everyone while, they were shooting at him. He was ducking and dodging blaster bolts, while cutting down they're guards one by one. and wasnt just 1 or 2 guards shooting at him, they were like 6-7 shooting at him all at the same time.
Originally posted by Broke BeatWell did you forget vader simply underestimated lukeok thats cool that he has his little robots, but does that topple the fact that with all those beautiful droids, and his power and all that mess aside, he got his ass handed to him by Luke, with barely any saber
training, did he even know what Djem So was at that time? but regardless I would think a "MASTER of many forms including his immense Djem So power," could at least contain him..... but nope, He says the magic words, and 10 seconds later Vader is screaming in pain with his hand cut off.
Originally posted by Broke BeatWell why not i tell you that one of them had prepared for the arrival of vader by brining out a cortosis blade and was confident that they all can defeat vader because he is only one man? And need i tell you that he shredded the metal wall as if it was nothing by just screaming out obi wans name? Need i also tell you that with 1 lightsaber alone he can fight in a 4 on 1 match while choking another jedi at the same time?Vader took on 8 average at best jedi, and barely survived the encounter because he tried to take them all on at the same time. And fortunately for him they tried to jump him stupidly with someone holding a cortosis blade, not taking into consideration that if the wielder died, they would all be ****ed because they would be defenseless.
Originally posted by Broke BeatO simple. Maul would have been slaughtered by those 8 jedi masters, and that it was easier for him to deflect blaster bolts with a double bladed lightsaber. Lets not forget that vader did alot more than he did in empire comic, Pushing a thug hundreds of feet. Slamming a guy with telekenesis onto the ceiling causing a massive dent, Crushing tanks on the battle field, Using a water fall to drown the dark woman, Ripping a tree from its roots. Choking his officer miles away, Killed a wild animal larger than him with his bare hands, Using the dark side to tame the animals on a planet after the battle of yavin. And he sliced and diced sia lan wezz before a dead body hit the floorMaul raped the entire Black Sun by himself, without being touched. he even showed up at the headquarters and chopped up everyone while, they were shooting at him. He was ducking and dodging blaster bolts, while cutting down they're guards one by one. and wasnt just 1 or 2 guards shooting at him, they were like 6-7 shooting at him all at the same time.
ok thats cool that he has his little robots, but does that topple the fact that with all those beautiful droids, and his power and all that mess aside, he got his ass handed to him by Luke, with barely any saber
training, did he even know what Djem So was at that time? but regardless I would think a "MASTER of many forms including his immense Djem So power," could at least contain him..... but nope, He says the magic words, and 10 seconds later Vader is screaming in pain with his hand cut off
What the hell is this? Luke in ROTJ using full rage knocked down Vader. Maul would have gotten a tough fight from regular ROTJ Luke, so be quiet.
Vader took on 8 average at best jedi, and barely survived the encounter because he tried to take them all on at the same time. And fortunately for him they tried to jump him stupidly with someone holding a cortosis blade, not taking into consideration that if the wielder died, they would all be ****ed because they would be defenseless.
And Maul could not have taken on those 8 Jedi by himself. And again, this is Vader just after ROTS. TESB Vader would destroy Maul.
Maul raped the entire Black Sun by himself, without being touched. he even showed up at the headquarters and chopped up everyone while, they were shooting at him. He was ducking and dodging blaster bolts, while cutting down they're guards one by one. and wasnt just 1 or 2 guards shooting at him, they were like 6-7 shooting at him all at the same time.
Yep, I can do feat wars as well. Like Vader took on 8 Jedi just after being stuck into a suit.
Let's see what each contestant has on their side-
MAUL
-One of the fastest lightsaber duelists of all time.
-Extremely well-trained in martial arts and the use of a lightsaber.
-Relatively weak in the Force; Vader wins that aspect no contest
VADER
-Very slow; a deadly setback when fighting someone like Maul
-Immensely strong; I have a hard time picturing Maul blocking Vader's blows.
-One of the greatest Force-users of all time.
Lightsaber battle: That's about 50/50, it's the classic strength vs. speed
Force battle: Maul gets WTFpwned
Here's my simulation of the battle:
Maul makes the first move, clashing sabers with Vader. Vader blocks several of the blows, but Maul is simply too fast. He gets off several glancing blows, but Vader goes, for all intents and purposes, unharmed, due to his armor. Vader then takes the offensive, battering Maul into submission. Maul gets crushed.
OR
Vader gets a chance to use the Force. It ends there.
I think Vader wins either way.
I haven't underrated Vader, I think hes cool and all, but i Just dont think he can beat Maul in a saber duel and I defintely dont think Luke stands a chance against Maul either, Maul IMO would beat Vader in saber duel, there is no evidence to support that Maul is relatively weak in the force, I quite frankly dont see Vader pushing Maul around physcially either, i think he would catch an asthma attack before then. Maul is strong in his own right, i dont know if you guys have read his novels and comic books, but if you havent you should, i think you would understand his strength after reading them.
😆 i guess we watched 2 different duels then.
Maul is more aggresive than ROTJ Luke, so that little spurt he had is average for Maul, and thats just looking at the movies. Luke didnt really even do anything, he swung at him in a blind rage, no skill or control at all. But it overwhelmed Vader, and again if he cant at least contain him, than i dont see him beating Maul in a saber duel regardless of whether he underestimated him or not, it was his own fualt for doing so anyway, I dont see why you keep brining that up. Dooku was ordered not to kill, Anakin but he still lost becuase apprently he couldn't at least contain him without killing him. Which seems to be the same thing that happened in this duel. I dont think somone whos been trained for only 3 yrs can take a Master's form and use it against him, or at least he shouldnt be able to. but well as you guys claim, he did, so using your logic Vader cant be that good if he let a padawan level Luke do him in like that.
I haven't underrated Vader, I think hes cool and all, but i Just dont think he can beat Maul in a saber duel and I defintely dont think Luke stands a chance against Maul either, Maul IMO would beat Vader in saber duel, there is no evidence to support that Maul is relatively weak in the force, I quite frankly dont see Vader pushing Maul around physcially either, i think he would catch an asthma attack before then. Maul is strong in his own right, i dont know if you guys have read his novels and comic books, but if you havent you should, i think you would understand his strength after reading them.
I believe everyone here knows that Maul is powerful. However, his skill with the blade just can't outclass Vader. And yes, Vader would push around Maul. Vader has immense strength and he would slam Maul around. Maul's Jar'Kai helps, but once Vader cuts the double-blade in half and charges Maul, the Zabrak is gone.
Maul is more aggresive than ROTJ Luke, so that little spurt he had is average for Maul, and thats just looking at the movies. Luke didnt really even do anything, he swung at him in a blind rage, no skill or control at all. But it overwhelmed Vader, and again if he cant at least contain him, than i dont see him beating Maul in a saber duel regardless of whether he underestimated him or not, it was his own fualt for doing so anyway, I dont see why you keep brining that up. Dooku was ordered not to kill, Anakin but he still lost becuase apprently he couldn't at least contain him without killing him. Which seems to be the same thing that happened in this duel. I dont think somone whos been trained for only 3 yrs can take a Master's form and use it against him, or at least he shouldnt be able to. but well as you guys claim, he did, so using your logic Vader cant be that good if he let a padawan level Luke do him in like that.
Maul got his ass almost owned by an enraged Kenobi. Are you now saying that an enraged Obi-Wan could possibily kill Vader? LOL! Rage increases your ability by a huge margin, and when Luke turned to the Dark, Vader was amazed by his sons anger and strength. And Vader was trying his son to turn to the Dark, so there's a good possibility that Vader let Luke push him back for a little while. And note, this is Luke, not a normal Padawan. Luke who will become the strongest in the galaxy. Yes, he has to start off strong, otherwise how does he grow into that demi-god which he is?
yeah, Maul was tossing him and Qui-gon around the whole duel. Vader is strong, but not enough to slam maul around, because that would imply that Maul is substantially weaker physically than Vader, which is something I cannot picturea at all. this is somone who trained in mind and body, probably more body from birth. I dont know if you've read his stuff, but you should man.
Rage is a double-edged sword in combat, it can help you, but it will probably cause more problems than good for you. you only need to look at some of Anakin and Vader's past mistakes to see what his rage has done for him. Obi Wan enraged chargerd at Maul, and caught him off guard, put him on his ass. right, i give you that one. But during his little flurry, did you notice how quiclky offense turned to defense, it didnt take Maul long at all to regain his footwork.
OK, but this Luke after 3 yrs of training dealing with a Jedi Knight/Sith Master. And he wins? it doesnt matter if he underestimated him or not, that fact of the matter is he lost. He couldnt at least contain him, he could have parried all of his moves with his "immense Djem So power," but you guys keep saying Luke turned it on him. How do you know this? Who was around to teach him? Djem So is Vader's own modified style, so who would teach it to Luke? Sure Luke is supposed to acheive greatness, but who can take on 2 sith lords after all only 3yrs of not even Jedi combat training. He received more Lessons in mind and body then combat. Luke went back to Yoda a year after ESB, which is rougly at the beginning of ROTJ, Obi-wan is still dead, and they havent made contact since he left Dagobah. All of his training, if at least the majority, has been by experience. There is no way he could have learned Djem So, maybe Obi-wan's Shien but not Vader's own modified style, and then learn it well enough and that short amount of time to "mirror and use it against Vader" effectively, he had the holocron Obi-wan left, but those things can only do so much for you especially at Luke's level with proper guidance from a Master.
yeah, Maul was tossing him and Qui-gon around the whole duel.
Cool, and Vader fought against 8 Jedi and killed 4.
Vader is strong, but not enough to slam maul around, because that would imply that Maul is substantially weaker physically than Vader, which is something I cannot picturea at all.
Frankly, your opinion holds no water here. Vader is not just strong, but very strong. He is able to life a Rebel Trooper several feet in the air with one hand. Vader is a good deal stronger than Maul. Maul is physically fit, but he has as much muscle as Kit Fisto. Vader could easily push back the Zabrak.
this is somone who trained in mind and body, probably more body from birth. I dont know if you've read his stuff, but you should man.
And this is Vader, who has mastered calmness with anger, a deadly combination. This is Vader, who has mastered his form to the highest degree. This is Vader, who who Jedi hunting abilities. This is Vader, who could comfortably defeat Maul.
Obi Wan enraged chargerd at Maul, and caught him off guard, put him on his ass. right, i give you that one. But during his little flurry, did you notice how quiclky offense turned to defense, it didnt take Maul long at all to regain his footwork.
This is to show you how rage in a Jedi can totally surprise an enemy. While Vader was seducing Luke, he didn't expect the full rage Luke gave him. He just thought Skywalker was angry, not extremely furious.
OK, but this Luke after 3 yrs of training dealing with a Jedi Knight/Sith Master. And he wins? it doesnt matter if he underestimated him or not, that fact of the matter is he lost. He couldnt at least contain him, he could have parried all of his moves with his "immense Djem So power," but you guys keep saying Luke turned it on him. How do you know this? Who was around to teach him? Djem So is Vader's own modified style, so who would teach it to Luke? Sure Luke is supposed to acheive greatness, but who can take on 2 sith lords after all only 3yrs of not even Jedi combat training. He received more Lessons in mind and body then combat. Luke went back to Yoda a year after ESB, which is rougly at the beginning of ROTJ, Obi-wan is still dead, and they havent made contact since he left Dagobah. All of his training, if at least the majority, has been by experience. There is no way he could have learned Djem So, maybe Obi-wan's Shien but not Vader's own modified style, and then learn it well enough and that short amount of time to "mirror and use it against Vader" effectively, he had the holocron Obi-wan left, but those things can only do so much for you especially at Luke's level with proper guidance from a Master.
Again, Luke Skywalker is a powerful Padawan. Very powerful. We argued in a thread that ESB Luke is close to Qui-Gon Jinn. ROTJ Luke is much more powerful than ESB Luke.
1.) Vader was trying to seduce Luke. He hoped to turn him. Vader knew Luke would lash out at him, but not at the high level he recieved. Luke totally caught Vader off guard, really bad. Vader is a calculating opponent, he knows what's he's doing most of the time (he learned his lesson after ROTS), but the treatment from Luke was surprisingly brutal. Had Maul been in that situation, his lightsaber would have been gone in SECONDS and he would have been dead pretty fast.
2.) Umm what the hell are you saying? Luke never took on 2 Sith Lords, unless you want to consider Luke fighting Vader and then maybe going after Sidious, which NEVER happened.
3.) Luke learned elements of Soresu from Kenobi and elements of Ataru from Yoda. This blends into a Shien-like form. But yes, Luke's main advantage was his mindset. He possesed a high degree of Force Valor. He never gave up, and this allowed him to last against Vader.
Cool, and Vader fought against 8 Jedi and killed 4.
Frankly, your opinion holds no water here. Vader is not just strong, but very strong. He is able to life a Rebel Trooper several feet in the air with one hand. Vader is a good deal stronger than Maul. Maul is physically fit, but he has as much muscle as Kit Fisto. Vader could easily push back the Zabrak.Who are you to say my opinion holds no water. its common sense really. do you lift weights? do you play sports? Vader would have to be jacked, to "push" Ray Park around.and lifted a trooper "several feet?" 😆 now i know me and you weren't watching the same movie. cmon brother.
to be contiuned i g2g real quick 😄