Darth Vader(suited) vs Darth Maul

Well, they faught in an Infintry and Vader won, though it was close and Vader nearly killed himself in the process.

Originally posted by Advent
Keyword: assumed.

All we saw depicted on screen is that he fell. It's never stated that it's unfeasible to ever escape the Sarlacc, nor that he actually died. It's that he was presumed to be dead. Boba Fett proved that it's not impossible to escape, but implausible (although, if I recall, somewhere it's said that a Hutt survived, but I assume it's non-canon):

"These reports are allegedly from the only person [b]known to survive being swallowed by a Sarlacc -- the bounty hunter Boba Fett. His iron will and Mandalorian armor kept him alive inside the beast, and his weapons-covered suit afforded him escape from agony. It would be years before both Fett's body and reputation recovered from the Sarlacc. "

-- Star Wars databank, Sarlacc.

So as it would seem, he did survive, and it is consider canonical and fits in with continuity, and to further prove that point Leland Chee agrees:

"Boba Fett climbs out of the Sarlacc in the Marvel comic only to be thrown back in again while inside the hull of a sandcrawler. His real escape is chronicled elsewhere in various other sources."

-- Leland Chee, Movie Characters killed in the EU.

And that Boba Fett actually survived twice, apparently, because he notes that the only non-continuity death on his list is Watto's.

No, because it didn't.

No, we didn't. We saw him fall, we didn't see him die. There's quite a difference.

Once in the Sarlacc's body, he was able to survive quite simply due to his armor (and willpower, noted by the Sarlacc's semi-sentient habits). And he eventually escaped, as his armor (which protects heavily against blaster bolts, intense heat, acid, et cetera) protected him. And further looking into the case, it's revealed in Fett's databank entry for the Expanded Universe:

"When he plunged into the beast, he was kept alive by numerous fibrous suckers that attached themselves to his body. This was part of the Sarlacc's horrible metabolic process; it would keep its prey alive for thousands of years, all the while slowly feeding off it. Fett almost lost his identity in the swirling dementia brought about by the Sarlacc's toxins. His resolve held, and he used his weapons to blast free of the beast."

Which explains exactly how Fett survived.

And for reinforcement purposes, falling is not dying, and you do not die instantly from being dropped into the Great Pit of Carkoon to the Sarlacc as proven.

Who said the RotJ novelization said he survived? It's explained in later novels, noted in the databank, and confirmed by Leland Chee.

Now, before you go on with "BUT ADDVENT WAT ABOUT VADER SPD LOL?" there's also a huge difference in attempting to analogize Darth Vader to Boba Fett in the manner you are doing because Boba Fett was never delineated on screen to die (key). He was shown to simply fall, and later tales chronicle on how he survived. However, Vader was unmistakably shown on screen to be a slow, crippled cyborg. So, the comparison is pretty faulty given that fact.

I'm not saying you cannot make an argument for his speed using another example, but the same thing cannot be said for Vader's speed in comparison to Boba's death due to the actuality (although, I'd assume majority of arguments will be futile and/or faulty anyways). [/B]

Well guess you are right here.

Im just saying "higher canon from movies" cant be used as an excuse to make vader slow because he has several times demonstrated speed and agility in the EU. Firstly how is he going to take on 8 jedi masters if he was really that slow. Secondly when he was shown to be fast many times it has already been recorded and already done. You cant change the fact that he has been fast in the EU by simply saying "It contradicts the movies" when it doesnt. We could say "Midget man couldnt climb this building in this movie, but he could in the Comic and he climb that same building which we thought he couldnt". Technically the same can be applied to vader, i just have no idea how to interpret it

i say Vader wins via more force power.

Actually, Boba is dead as far GL's Star Wars continuity. He was sitting next to I believe Rick, on Rick's left, and when asked he kind of chuckled and said that EU is one thing and since his EU survival doesn't affect his overall story, he didn't mind, but for all Star Wars continuity purposes, he is dead. If I can, I will find the quote or the clip itself, because i know i saw it, more than once and had this debate with with my friends.

"People, as Tosche Station Manager said on page 7 of this thread, the following link explains it all.
http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20021202.html
GL intended for Boba Fett to die in the sarlacc. I don't understand why some people just refuse to accept that Boba and Jango are dead. Even when GL himself says it, they refuse to believe it. "

Originally posted by Kadesh
O and you want to use higher canon from movies? Then DE series completely contradicts ROTJ cuz we saw boba fett die. Try to explain that. And we are using EU vader in this battle

"Solo, free of the carbonite and suffering blindness from hibernation sickness, wildly swung a vibro-ax into an inattentive Fett's rocketpack. The pack activated, and the bounty hunter soared into the air, out of control. The airborne Fett slammed into the side of Jabba's sail barge before tumbling into the Sarlacc's mouth. With a sickly belch from the desert creature, it seemed as if Fett's career as the galaxy's most notorious bounty hunter was brought to an end. " - SWDB - Boba Fett

See, it's different than the sarlacc's, and different from the Boba Fett EU summary. It was also shown on screen that the sarlacc belched after consuming Boba...what does it matter?..do you burp after eating nothing? I don't. Not to say when you're just sitting there, but if you put a bite of steak in your mouth and spit it out, do you burp...no. Unless you're very unique...or unless I'm the unique one and the only one who doesn't, lol.

Here...from Boba Fett himself in an interview...

"UL: Many of Boba Fett’s fans were disappointed by his death in The Return of the Jedi. How do you feel about that?

JB. Well, I agree. I was rather upset as well, but I mean, that’s filming, you know. He [George Lucas] got rid of Boba Fett, but in a way it helps the whole story thing because stories are invented. He gets out of the pit. This happens and that. From my own point of view, I was a bit upset. It would have been nice to have had a little bit longer time in that sequence. I just thought he went a little bit too early. " - http://www.efilmcritic.com/feature.php?feature=1480

Boba is dead, not in the EU, but in the overall Star Wars vision by GL.
another from the Washington Post with JB;

"Richmond, Va.: It's an honor to be able to write you.

I enjoyed your character in TESB; however, was disappointed at so-so death of Boba Fett in ROTJ. I had wanted Boba Fett to go out in a tooth and nail battle!

Any feedback? And by the way... you still had the coolest costume in all of Star Wars.

Jeremy Bulloch: I too was very upset by Boba's early demise in ROTJ.But think of how Boba is having a good time in the Sarlaac pit

Thanks for the question"

Thats it for now...every time i put in George Lucas Interviews, it pulls up SS's dumbass shit. I'll look around some more.

in a saber duel Maul would win, but force involved i think Vader would win.

Vader wins in a lightsaber duel and a Force duel actually. Vader's a master of many lightsaber forms and has strong experience and ability with them, especially Djem So. He uses the Force while fighting and he'll beat up Maul.

naw not the saber duel. Maul is too fast and quick for him. His disabilities will always be a large burden for him, and Maul is definitely strong himself. IMO as far as saber dueling goes i think Maul takes him down.

Vader is slow, but not weak. He is able to take on several Jedi at once (8) and own them. In the Vader vs. Tyrannus, he's been literally accepted by the majority (with the exceptions of Rampant Ox, Darthsith19, and some others) as the greater. And the comicbooks shows Vader killing Maul in a SABER DUEL, so your argument collapses.

Though in that comic, he didn't win by skill...

So what if he used a cheap move, he still won didn't he?

Yup, but again, not by skill, he won because Maul got cocky, and Vader basically killed himself!

That was a clone of Maul, to argue that he would be exactly as powerful as the real Maul begs for proof. And was that comic even canon?

And PK, Vader hardly owned the jedi masters.

In addition, what do you Vader was expecting when he arrived at that planet? Next thing he knows, he sees this Sith Lord Zabrak wielding a double-bladed lightsaber (which he has never seen in his life, or at least in decades) ferociously attacking him. Yet still Vader brought him down.

And PK, Vader hardly owned the jedi masters.

Yet right after ROTS, Vader busts the Conclave on Kessel and kills four Jedi: Shadday Potkin, Koffi Arana, Sia-Lan Wezz, and Ma'kis even though he had limited time inside the suit...

And yes, killing eight Jedi is hard, but Vader did it.

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Yet right after ROTS, Vader busts the Conclave on Kessel and kills four Jedi: Shadday Potkin, Koffi Arana, Sia-Lan Wezz, and Ma'kis even though he had limited time inside the suit...

And yes, killing eight Jedi is hard, but Vader did it.

Darth Maul will be a major threat to (suited) Vader in Saber Combat. But (suited) Vader has more knowledge of the force and he also has learned from his past mistakes, so he will put up a much better fight.

I think that (suited) Vader will win in this fight.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Vader killed 8 Jedi? When was this?

These Jedi are:

1) Koffi Arana
2) Tsui Choi
3) Roblio Darte
4) Jastus Farr
5) Ma'kis'shaalas
6) Dama Montalvo
7) Shadday Potkin
8) Bultar Swan

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Vader killed a total of 8 Jedi in [B]Great Jedi Purge event after the events of Episode III.

These Jedi are:

1) Koffi Arana
2) Tsui Choi
3) Roblio Darte
4) Jastus Farr
5) Ma'kis'shaalas
6) Dama Montalvo
7) Shadday Potkin
8) Bultar Swan [/B]

just in saber combat? or did he just like toss some across the room w/ the force, force choke some others or not take them all at once?

I would like to know too.

A correction in my above list: Dama Montalvo was not present in the meeting but Sia-Lan Wezz was.

So, the correct list is:

1) Koffi Arana
2) Tsui Choi
3) Roblio Darte
4) Jastus Farr
5) Ma'kis'shaalas
6) Sia-Lan Wezz
7) Shadday Potkin
8) Bultar Swan

Originally posted by braz
just in saber combat? or did he just like toss some across the room w/ the force, force choke some others or not take them all at once?

Jedi Master Shadday Potkin organized a meeting for Jedi in a planet called "Kessel. 7 other Jedi joined her in that meeting and their names are in my list.

NOTE: Two of the Jedi: 1) Roblio Darte and 2) Jastus Farr were Jedi knights actually. The rest were Jedi Masters.

The purpose of this meeting was to trap Vader and kill him. And as expected, Vader soon attacked the Jedi.

Vader quickly killed one two Jedi: 1) Sia-Lan Wezz 2) Ma'kis'shaalas in a Saber Duel.

Then Jedi Master Shadday Potkin attacked him with a cortosis blade and managed to corner Vader and dispose of his lightsaber but then Vader used the Force to grab Shadday and steal her weapon, then snapped her neck.

Now Vader using the cortosis blade disabled the Light Sabers of two more Jedi: 1) Roblio Darte and 2) Koffi Arana.

Then two Jedi Masters: 1) Tsui Choi and 2) Bultar Swan engaged Vader with their Light Sabers and seriously injured him in the dueling.

At this point Koffi Arana demanded a Light Saber from Bultar but he refused to give it, so Arana killed him which was the first major mistake.

Then Arana took Bultar's saber and charged towards Vader. This was a second mistake and Vader send the cortosis blade from his severed hand through Arana with a wave of the hand, and grabed a spare Light Saber dropped by one of the dead Jedi.

Now only 3 Jedi are left: Tsui, Roblio and Jastus.

These three remaining Jedi resorted to use the Force against Vader and start hurling rocks at Vader. Vader was now almost defeated and Tsui Choi prepared to finish him off, but suddenly 501st Legion of Stormtroopers show up and began firing on the Jedi.

Jedi Master Tsui Choi got distracted, while the two other Jedi knights: 1) Jastus Farr and 2) Roblio Darte were killed by the troops.

But taking advantage of this distraction Vader freezed Tsui Choi in the air (like using "Force Stun" in KOTOR games). Tsui in a last effort to kill Vader managed to throw his saber at him, which cut a hole in Vader's armour but still failed to kill Vader. Then stormtroopers killed the last Jedi as well.