Why you can't compare real humans to MU humans.

I know I have said before that you cannot compare real humans to MU, but there is also a bigger reason why you cannot compare real humans to MU humans, The Celestials. It seems to me that eventhough not all human beings have powers all human beings are mutants, in the sense that all human beings have mutated genes. I say this because.....

The Celestials made experiments upon the neanderthal men, resulting not only in humans- that's us- but in the cosmically-charged god-like Eternals, and bestial sub-human Deviants, who were cursed with an unstable genetic code, causing each new generation to be more horribly deformed than the last.

This was taken from http://www.geocities.com/brenni_au/XFactor.html

Interestingly enough there is this as well...

Moreover, on scanning the city of Anchorage for mutants in order to pinpoint Cyclops's location, the Master Mold discovered that human beings contain some mutated cells. Hence, the Master Mold decided that according to its programming to eliminate all mutants, all human beings must be destroyed.

The above was taken from http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mastermold.htm

Therefore what is the cause of superhuman powers and mutation in the MU? The Celestials. This can explains why you have mutants and why humans can gain superhuman powers. It even explains how apparently normal human beings can do "superhuman" acts. In some cases humans need to mutate, but an ordinary human being can also gain superhuman powers by learning either martial arts or magic. Eventhough these humans do not have powers magic and martials arts if studied to an extreme level can give them the equivalent of super powers because they already have mutated genes.

In the real world this is what mutated genes do.

Research using recent molecular biology techniques is revealing that human cancers are caused by gene mutation. http://rerf.or.jp/eigo/radefx/late/mutatrbc.htm

Therefore the argument thats says a character cannot do such and such because he is human does not hold any weight because all MU humans are genetically different from MU humans, and this mutation is what gives real humans their potential.

interesting . . .

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
interesting . . .

Thats right all human beings have the X-factor on varying levels. The whole reason why you have human beings in the first place is genetic mutation. In the real world its evolution or whatever, but its not genetic manipulation.

Comparing real humans to MU humans is a complete waste of time.

So basically, all humans are really mutants?

Basically, yes.

they just haven't moved to an advanced mutated state (which gives them unique powers and weakness) ?

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
they just haven't moved to an advanced mutated state (which gives them unique powers and weakness) ?

Yes, but im also trying to point out that this explains why even non-superhuman superheroes can dodge bullets and lasers and can defeat less skilled superhumans.

Even if a human being has not been mutated he is still a mutant and has much greater potential than real world counterparts.

Characters with inadequate physical attributes to dodge bullets and lasers, do it because 1) it's more due to anticipation and bad aim and 2) if they didn't they'd die and dead characters don't sell comic books.

Not all mutations result to cancer. I'm pretty sure that every human in the real world have some sort of mutations in their genes, not even noticeable.

And you can compare real humans to comic book humans, as long as the comic book humans are not superheroes/villains. The reason why they do all that stuff is because of (bad) writing, not some genetic reason.

Going to this sort of stuff is maybe going TOO deep.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Characters with inadequate physical attributes to dodge bullets and lasers, do it because 1) it's more due to anticipation and bad aim and 2) if they didn't they'd die and dead characters don't sell comic books.

Oh God decided to come back down here have we? Well if mutated genes give you mutant powers and even human beings possess them this could explain it.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not all mutations result to cancer.

Yes but the whole human race is a mutant race in the MU universe. Mutation in the real world does not give you superhuman powers.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I'm pretty sure that every human in the real world have some sort of mutations in their genes, not even noticeable.

Well until you can prove it, thats speculation. I think the accepted opinion is most humans dont.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

And you can compare real humans to comic book humans, as long as the comic book humans are not superheroes/villains. The reason why they do all that stuff is because of (bad) writing, not some genetic reason.

Going to this sort of stuff is maybe going TOO deep.

Well im sure there must be some people with mutated cells that dont have cancer...but.....

1. MU humans are a mutant race that were experimented on by the Celestials

2. Mutation in the real world cant give powers.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh God decided to come back down here have we? Well if mutated genes give you mutant powers and even human beings possess them this could explain it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well until you can prove it, thats speculation. I think the accepted opinion is most humans dont.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Down here? You mean to the comic forums where I've been coming for a year and a half now.

Yes but you have been spending more time up there.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Uh.. wrong.

Ok elaborate please.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh God decided to come back down here have we? Well if mutated genes give you mutant powers and even human beings possess them this could explain it.

Yes but the whole human race is a mutant race in the MU universe. Mutation in the real world does not give you superhuman powers.

Well until you can prove it, thats speculation. I think the accepted opinion is most humans dont.

Well im sure there must be some people with mutated cells that dont have cancer...but.....

1. MU humans are a [B]mutant race that were experimented on by the Celestials

2. Mutation in the real world cant give powers. [/B]

But that still doesn't have anything to do with the reason guys like Batman or Daredevil dodge bullets. Normal MU human doesn't have any kind of superhuman powers, and generally is not faster or stronger then any of us are.

Superheroes and villains who are humans don't do that stuff because of some genetical difference.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But that still doesn't have anything to do with the reason guys like Batman or Daredevil dodge bullets. Normal MU human doesn't have any kind of superhuman powers, and generally is not faster or stronger then any of us are.

Superheroes and villains who are humans don't do that stuff because of some genetical difference.

Well if mutation gives you powers and the human race is a mutant race that would explain it. Why do you think Master Mold flipped because in his world mutated genes have the potential to give you super powers.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes but you have been spending more time up there.

Ok elaborate please.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Mutation is the basis of essentially all genetic variation. Polymorphisms are essentially mutations that have become prevalent. By such logic the real world human species, and all species are consequently mutants.

Well from what I understand what you're saying is that just simply differences in organisms can be considered to be mutations. So what you're saying is that for example human are mutants in the sense that they are different from apes?

If thats what you're saying then why aren't humans called mutants. Why does the word exist? Humans in the MU are considered to be mutants because they were deliberatley genetically altered to become humans, but in the real world it just happened. Theres a big difference.

Its like saying all people are Africans because our ancestors descended from Africa but more specifically we are Asian, European etc.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well from what I understand what you're saying is that just simply differences in organisms can be considered to be mutations. So what you're saying is that for example human are mutants in the sense that they are different from apes?

The human mutation rate is estimated at approximately 2.5x10^-8 per nucleotide per generation, this means that - from the little I remember from population genetics - in the human population of roughly 6 billion people, for any given locus in the human genome there are 15 "mutants".

Originally posted by Alfheim
If thats what you're saying then why aren't humans called mutants. Why does the word exist? Humans in the MU are considered to be mutants because they were deliberatley genetically altered to become humans, but in the real world it just happened. Theres a big difference.

This is about Captain America, isn't it?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
This is about Captain America, isn't it?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

in the human population of roughly 6 billion people, for any given locus in the human genome there are 15 "mutants".

15 out of 6 billion....thats not alot im saying that all humans in the MU are mutants.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
This is about Captain America, isn't it?

😆 I hate you.....go away. I knew you would smell blood and come down here. Its about peak humans I like street levelers and yes I guess that would include Captain America. Before I wrote this thread I almost said Dinalfos go away. 😮