Why you can't compare real humans to MU humans.

They experimented on primitive humans to create the Inhumans. From the same bio where you took that line - the Inhumans are a result of splicing Eternal and primitive human DNA. Without having spliced the Eternal DNA, the Inhumans would just be ordinary humans.

"this potential is the ability to have powers" Based on nothing whatsoever other than your own biased inference. Humanity as a whole has the genetic potential to supplant the Abstracts. That does not infer that the ordinary human has any personal potential for superhuman abilities. Keep stretching.

Numerous people have already commented on the why? with regard to characters doing stupid things, and it has nothing to do with the Celestials.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They experimented on primitive humans to create the Inhumans. From the same bio where you took that line - the Inhumans are a result of splicing Eternal and primitive human DNA. Without having spliced the Eternal DNA, the Inhumans would just be ordinary humans.

Im aware of that. Does this statement include primitive humans?

Through their work at this station, they discovered that sentient life on nearby Earth had genetic potential invested in it by the alien Celestials

Furthermore if primitive humans didn't have genetic potential why didn't they experiement on themselves. They experiemented on primitive humans because primitive humans have more genetic potential.

Ok lets see you get out of this one.

Okay I'll indulge you, if you indulge me.

Clarify the manner in which the Celestials experimented on protohumans to create humans. And for that matter the Kree in making the Inhumans. Did they use somatic cell gene therapy? Or did they modify them at the germline and embryonic level? Find that out. In order to have lasting effects in creating the Inhumans, they would have needed to do the latter. In which case they would be referring to germline potential.

From this we can infer:
Ordinary humans have the germline potential to create more powerful offspring e.g. the Inhumans, e.g. Christopher and Katherine Anne Summers, two ordinary humans, gave birth to Cyclops, Havok and Vulcan.

Ordinary humans do not have the somatic potential to be superhuman, without some form of external mutagen modifying them in some manner.

Regardless of which tell me what lasting "superhuman genetic potential" did they instil into the ordinary humans. Did they sow the X-gene into the human populace. Or did they put some ill-defined genetic potential for superhuman abilities. If the latter, for what superhuman abilities. If the latter show conclusive proof.

And what of the DCU where people also do ludicrous things beyond their power.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Okay I'll indulge you, if you indulge me.

Clarify the manner in which the Celestials experimented on protohumans to create humans. And for that matter the Kree in making the Inhumans. Did they use somatic cell gene therapy? Or did they modify them at the germline and embryonic level? Find that out. In order to have lasting effects in creating the Inhumans, they would have needed to do the latter. In which case they would be referring to germline potential.

I dont have to find anything out. The information you have been given implies that all humans have superhuman genetic potential. You just want to into further detail because you probably know there isn't more detail.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

From this we can infer:
Ordinary humans have the germline potential to create more powerful offspring e.g. the Inhumans, e.g. Christopher and Katherine Anne Summers, two ordinary humans, gave birth to Cyclops, Havok and Vulcan.

Ordinary humans do not have the somatic potential to be superhuman, without some form of external mutagen modifying them in some manner.

That doesn't contradict anything I have been saying. My point is that MU humans have more genetic potential than real humans. Even if you experiment on humans you're not goin to get a real human who did what Rick Jones did.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Regardless of which tell me what lasting "superhuman genetic potential" did they instil into the ordinary humans. Did they sow the X-gene into the human populace. Or did they put some ill-defined genetic potential for superhuman abilities.

Of course they created the X-gene! The Celestials are responsible for creating superhumans in both the Skrulls and the humans. The whole reason why you have Skrull shapeshifters is because of The Celestials and you are asking me wether they created the X-gene. Furthermore you have a race of mutants called the Externals which is similar name to The Eternals. That is not conclusive evidence but all the evidence put together points in that direction.

This statement you have not addressed and you are starting your old stuff again. What does this statement imply. Answer the question!

Through their work at this station, they discovered that sentient life on nearby Earth had genetic potential invested in it by the alien Celestials

Is this not a statement about humans in general which includes ordinary primitive man?

If this statement includes ordinary humans can we conclude that ordinary human have greater genetic potential?

If the whole point of these experimentations is to create superhumans does this not imply that the potential they are refering to is superhuman potential?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If the latter, for what superhuman abilities.

See what I mean, even if I can prove its all about superhuman ability I have to prove what superhuman ability, when at that point the discussion should have ended.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

If the latter show conclusive proof.

The evidence that you have so far indicates more likely than not that normal humans have superhuman genetic potential. I dont know exactly what The Celestials did to human beinsg but we have to debate with the information that we have available and if the information that we have avilable points to the direction of ordinary humans having superhumans powers than logic dictates that is what is probably correct.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

And what of the DCU where people also do ludicrous things beyond their power.

This is pure xmarksthespot material. If your are getting backed into a corner go off on a tangent. What is the title of this thread? Is it DC or MU? So why on earth are we talking about DC for?

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont have to find anything out. The information you have been given implies that all humans have superhuman genetic potential. You just want to into further detail because you probably know there isn't more detail.

That doesn't contradict anything I have been saying. My point is that MU humans have more genetic potential than real humans. Even if you experiment on humans you're not goin to get a real human who did what Rick Jones did.

Of course they created the X-gene! The Celestials are responsible for creating superhumans in both the Skrulls and the humans. The whole reason why you have Skrull shapeshifters is because of The Celestials and you are asking me wether they created the X-gene. Furthermore you have a race of mutants called the Externals which is similar name to The Eternals. That is not conclusive evidence but all the evidence put together points in that direction.

This statement you have not addressed and you are starting your old stuff again. What does this statement imply. Answer the question!

[B]Through their work at this station, they discovered that sentient life on nearby Earth had genetic potential invested in it by the alien Celestials

Is this not a statement about humans in general which includes ordinary primitive man?

If this statement includes ordinary humans can we conclude that ordinary human have greater genetic potential?

If the whole point of these experimentations is to create superhumans does this not imply that the potential they are refering to is superhuman potential?

See what I mean, even if I can prove its all about superhuman ability I have to prove what superhuman ability, when at that point the discussion should have ended.

The evidence that you have so far indicates more likely than not that normal humans have superhuman genetic potential. I dont know exactly what The Celestials did to human beinsg but we have to debate with the information that we have available and if the information that we have avilable points to the direction of ordinary humans having superhumans powers than logic dictates that is what is probably correct.

This is pure xmarksthespot material. If your are getting backed into a corner go off on a tangent. What is the title of this thread? Is it DC or MU? So why on earth are we talking about DC for? [/B]

The genetic potential referred to by the Kree is for future generations to be more powerful than the current, with regard to the Inhumans. Unless one takes the discredited Lamarckian view of genetics.

So you're saying they put the X-gene into humans specifically and it didn't just evolve. Did they specifically put it into Apocalypse and Selene the oldest known Homo sapiens superior? Keep grasping those straws.

The word External sounds like Eternal is not conclusive evidence because it's not evidence of anything at all. Keep stretching.

The statement you keep repeating over and over refers to humanity as a whole not each specific individual. And it refers to germline potential since the Kree wanted to create permanent effects that would be passed on generationally.

I referred to DC because the characters there do the same thing. Why? Because writers make them. Not because of some hidden genetic potential in the DCU humans. And likewise not becaused of some hidden genetic potential in the MU humans.

Essentially this still applies:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
This is ridiculous, and the 2nd time you've tried to mince words to further some random theory.

🙄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And this is pure Alfheim material. Seeing things that are not there and making biased inference. There is no implication. You're stringing together two unrelated statements you found and giving them meanings they don't have. It's like saying I found a candlestick in the garden and a dagger in the library therefore Miss Scarlet killed the butler and buried the body under Town Hall.

Whatever. 🙄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

The genetic potential referred to by the Kree is for future generations to be more powerful than the current, with regard to the Inhumans. Unless one takes the discredited Lamarckian view of genetics.

Is this potential therefore the ability to have superhuman powers?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

So you're saying they put the X-gene into humans specifically and it didn't just evolve.

Wether it evolved or not is irrelevant they put it there in the first place.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Did they specifically put it into Apocalypse and Selene the oldest known Homo sapiens superior? Keep grasping those straws.

Oh so both Selene and Apoc existed before The Celestials came to earth?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

The word External sounds like Eternal is not conclusive evidence because it's not evidence of anything at all. Keep stretching.

If you say so.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

The statement you keep repeating over and over refers to humanity as a whole not each specific individual.

No, but does it refer to normal human beings as well???

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

And it refers to germline potential since the Kree wanted to create permanent effects that would be passed on generationally.

The point you are making is irrelevant the fact of the matter is that they had superhuman potential and the people they experiemented on were ordinary. Are you telling me that real humans beings can evolve to have powers like Black Bolt and Rick Jones, maybe Gorgon but not like alot of inhumans.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I referred to DC because the characters there do the same thing. Why? Because writers make them. Not because of some hidden genetic potential in the DCU humans. And likewise not becaused of some hidden genetic potential in the MU humans.

The title says MU not Dc stay on topic.

Yeah but he also said that as well.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

And yes, I was cautiously agreeing with you,

So if he agreed with me. Why did he say that this was the second time?

Yeah but he also said that as well.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So I agreed, but conditioned it with the opinion that it was nothing new.

So basically you are just taking what you like and ignoring the rest....AGAIN. Read the damn thing properly.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Whatever. 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Is this potential therefore the ability to have superhuman powers?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Wether it evolved or not is irrelevant they put it there in the first place.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh so both Selene and Apoc existed before The Celestials came to earth?

Originally posted by Alfheim
If you say so.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No, but does it refer to normal human beings as well???

Originally posted by Alfheim
The point you are making is irrelevant the fact of the matter is that they had superhuman potential and the people they experiemented on were ordinary. Are you telling me that real humans beings can evolve to have powers like Black Bolt and Rick Jones, maybe Gorgon but not like alot of inhumans.

The overarching point however is that ordinary humans in either the MU or DCU have no more personal propensity for enhanced physicality than real world humans. Mary Jane isn't going to become Spider-Woman of her own accord.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The title says MU not Dc stay on topic.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah but he also said that as well.

Keep grasping at those straws, but know that to everyone else they're as worthless as... straw.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

No. Such abilities if not inborn due to something like the X-gene are granted by external stimuli.

So let me get this straight, the potential they were refering to is not about superhuman powers, but they still decided to experiment on humans and not themselves in order to gain superhuman powers?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Did they now? Show me where it says the X-gene was put into the human genome as opposed to Homo sapiens superior evolving naturally.

Look im not going other that again I have already explained this. If you want to ignore it fine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

No they were born long after. That's the point. The first occurrence of the X-gene was long after the Celestials intervened, evolving naturally.

Not going to go over this point again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Some have the potential to give birth to powerful offsping who will in turn give birth to powerful offspring.

So real human beings can do this can they?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Over many many many generations humanity is intended to supplant the abstracts. That does not mean all have this genetic potential, many will have very ordinary offspring. That does not mean any ordinary human being is anything more than an ordinary human being.

I cant be bothered to go over this again either

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Afaik Rick Jones has only had superpowers for brief stints in his history. Humans were not directly modified into Inhumans by somatic gene therapy. Blackbolt was born an Inhuman. They are a result of genetic splicing at a germline/embryonic level.

Answer the question can you prove that human beings in the real world can have superhuman powers like Rick Jones? Im not going to go over the point with Black Bolt again....im getting tired now.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

The overarching point however is that ordinary humans in either the MU or DCU have no more personal propensity for enhanced physicality than real world humans. Mary Jane isn't going to become Spider-Woman of her own accord.
The same things occur in DCU. No Celestials. Go figure. Because they happen because of writers.

Stop talking to me about DCU. I said.....MU....not DCU. The history for mankind in the DCU is different they have White Martians

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

With regard to Captain America. His first statement is still completely relevant to what you do, threads that try to twist simple statements into something that they were never intended to be, because you want to hype Captain America et al.

But you're going to ignore the fact that he agreed with me about Captain America? Thats irrelevant?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Keep grasping at those straws, but know that to everyone else they're as worthless as... straw.

Sure make it personal. 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
So let me get this straight, the potential they were refering to is not about superhuman powers, but they still decided to experiment on humans and not themselves in order to gain superhuman powers?

Look im not going other that again I have already explained this. If you want to ignore it fine.

Not going to go over this point again.

So real human beings can do this can they?

I cant be bothered to go over this again either

Answer the question can you prove that human beings in the real world can have superhuman powers like Rick Jones? Im not going to go over the point with Black Bolt again....im getting tired now.

Stop talking to me about DCU. I said.....MU....not DCU. The history for mankind in the DCU is different they have White Martians

But you're going to ignore the fact that he agreed with me about Captain America? Thats irrelevant?

Sure make it personal. 🙄

Average ordinary humans in comics have no great amount of "superhuman potential" they're auxiliary characters. You have no point. You're just grasping at nonexistent straws.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Not personal. Just fact. You bore me with your incessant harping about some massive underlying reason that writers make characters do things or give characters powers. The powers given to people in comics is due to writers. The things that characters do in comics is due to writers. None of them care in the least about a statement that someone has written on Wikipedia about the Inhumans.

*sigh* You missed my point entirely. There is no point in elaborating you will just ignore it and waste my time.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Average ordinary humans in comics have no great amount of "superhuman potential" they're auxiliary characters. You have no point. You're just grasping at nonexistent straws.

*shrug* Ok fine.