Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You're just reading into things way way too much. Writers do not think, oh the Celestials experimented on humans, when they make streetlevellers do stupid things.
Does that change the fact that an average MU humans has vastly more potential than a real human due to their genetic structure?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They don't. They're human. H. sapiens sapiens. Ordinary people. A small number have evolved into a new subspecies Homo sapiens superior. A small number have latent X-gene. A small number have been enhanced by external mutagens. But the ordinary MU or DCU human is still just human.
Wow you get here quick... Ok so why did Master Mold freak out then?
Furthermore:
The Supremor realized long ago that the Kree were at an evolutionary dead-end. Its main concern became to find a way to jump-start its race's evolution. Its manipulations of the human Rick Jones and the Kree hero Captain Marvel were part of this process, especially since it was aware of the evolutionary potential of the human race, especially the Destiny Force, which it helped awaken in Rick Jones.
I think it was stated that the supreme intellignce said that one day every single human being will have vast psionic powers.
Originally posted by AlfheimI'll have to go back and look at X-Factor #13 and #14 where Cyclops finds the Master Mold remnant in Alaska. But from the description likely Master Mold detected polymorphisms i.e. variation, and followed the logical conclusion that all variation is mutation and therefore all humans are mutants or alternatively detected germline mutations meaning those humans would produce mutant or latent mutant offspring.
Wow you get here quick... Ok so why did Master Mold freak out then?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'll have to go back and look at X-Factor #13 and #14 where Cyclops finds the Master Mold remnant in Alaska. But from the description likely Master Mold detected polymorphisms i.e. variation, and followed the logical conclusion that all variation is mutation and therefore all humans are mutants or alternatively detected germline mutations meaning those humans would produce mutant or latent mutant offspring.
Well ok but I dont think that changes anything. The whole reason why Master Mold exists is because mutants exist. The reason why mutants exist is because of the Celestials.
The Celestials genetically created humans, The Eternals and The Deviants. You even have a branch of humans called Externals. This is what the Supreme intelligence thinks of the human race:
The Supremor realized long ago that the Kree were at an evolutionary dead-end. Its main concern became to find a way to jump-start its race's evolution. Its manipulations of the human Rick Jones and the Kree hero Captain Marvel were part of this process, especially since it was aware of the evolutionary potential of the human race, especially the Destiny Force, which it helped awaken in Rick Jones.
Why does the Supreme intelligence think this? This is because humans have greater genetic potantial. If you look at what is said above the words human race is used not mutants the human race. Therefore human beings in general even ordinary ones have superhuman potential.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Evolution acts on populations not individuals. The human race as a whole is said to have the potential to supplant the Celestials over many generations, that infers absolutely nothing about the average human in the MU's physicality and personal genetic potential.
Ok right so, were the Krees experimented on by the Celestials? Its funny then if you're average human beings is so ordinary why is it....
The Supremor realized long ago that the Kree were at an evolutionary dead-end. Its main concern became to find a way to jump-start its race's evolution. Its manipulations of the human Rick Jones and the Kree hero Captain Marvel were part of this process, especially since it was aware of the evolutionary potential of the human race, especially the Destiny Force, which it helped awaken in Rick Jones.
The Celestials have experimented on humans and they have greater genetic potential than Krees....do the math.
Furthermore The Supreme intellignce decides to experiment on a normal human not a mutant.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot😐
Evolution acts on populations not individuals. The human race as a whole is said to have the potential to supplant the Celestials over many generations, that infers absolutely nothing about the average human in the MU's physicality and personal genetic potential.
John and Elaine Grey gave birth to Jean Grey.
John and Elaine Grey are still ordinary humans.
Edit: P.S. the Celestials did not experiment on modern humans, they experimented on protohumans resulting in humans. The means may have been different but the ends for the vast majority of humans in the MU is the same as in the real world. Ordinary humans.
*sigh*
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😐John and Elaine Grey gave birth to Jean Grey.
John and Elaine Grey are still ordinary humans.
.....so?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Edit: P.S. the Celestials did not experiment on modern humans, they experimented on protohumans resulting in humans. The means may have been different but the ends for the vast majority of humans in the MU is the same as in the real world. Ordinary humans.
Yeah I know. Sorry you're just wasting my time.
Originally posted by AlfheimEvolution acts on the population, not the individual. Only some i.e. mutants and mutant carriers have the personal genetic potential to be more than human.
*sigh*
.....so?
Yeah I know. Sorry you're just wasting my time.
Jean Grey has basically limitless personal genetic potential as an omega mutant.
Her parents had evolutionary potential, but their personal genetic potential, with regard to their physicality or abilities, was no different than any other ordinary human being.
And again all you're doing is making biased inference. You're seeing things because you want to see them, and giving them more meaning than they actually have.
Your quest to justify Captain America and other peak humans doing stupid things is a waste of time in general. It's just (bad) writing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Evolution acts on the population, not the individual. Only some i.e. mutants and mutant carriers have the personal genetic potential to be more than human.Jean Grey has basically limitless personal genetic potential as an omega mutant.
Her parents had evolutionary potential, but their personal genetic potential, with regard to their physicality or abilities, was no different than any other ordinary human being.And again all you're doing is making biased inference. You're seeing things because you want to see them, and giving them more meaning than they actually have.
Your quest to justify Captain America and other peak humans doing stupid things is a waste of time in general. It's just (bad) writing.
Well im going to think this over and get back to you on this.
P.S. If youy have the timle could you find that X-factor issue. I uesd to have it but I can't remember exactly what he said.
Well basically I think this really proves my point:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jonesrick.htm
Jones then struck all Kree soldiers motionless in their tracks, and teleported all of the Avengers to the Kree home world, among other things. These fantastic mental feats, which the Supreme Intelligence claimed would one day be possible for all humanity,
As I said to you before the supreme intelligence believed that humans had more genetic potential. Eventhough evolution acts on the population, the supreme intellignce believed that all human beings would have this power.
Is there nay evidence that real humans can do this. He shoots, he scores and thats the game! Im sure you'll think of some excuse though.
Originally posted by inamilist
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What so you think this explains that humans in the real world can have god like psionic powers? 😕
Sadly, we don't have writers, that won't happen.
Again, your theory doesn't effect anything. It has never been even mentioned in comics, no street level has stated anything about it, and it is obvious that average MU human has nothing different from us.
Genetics have nothing to do with the fact that Daredevil blocks bullets or Shang Chi punches through reinforced steel, writing does.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Sadly, we don't have writers, that won't happen.
The only reson why it wont happen is because writers wont go that far into the future. At some point the MU universe will implode, just because the writers decide not to let it happen doesnt mean it wont happen eventually.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Again, your theory doesn't effect anything. It has never been even mentioned in comics, no street level has stated anything about it, and it is obvious that average MU human has nothing different from us.
Really?
1. MU humans were artfically created by aliens
2. The Supreme intelligence thinks that all human beings will have vast psionic powers and proves it by using the Destiny Force. Supreme intellignce has analysed MU human DNA and you haven't. I think we should SI's opinion.
3. Master Mold analyses human DNA and classifies them all as mutants ie the potential to have superhuman powers. Have you analysed MU human DNA?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Genetics have nothing to do with the fact that Daredevil blocks bullets or Shang Chi punches through reinforced steel, writing does.
That still does not change the fact that normal MU humans are vastly different from real humans.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But 99.99999% of them are not stronger or faster then we are. Especially now that mutant population is down to couple hundred.
The point im making is that human beings have more potential than real humans. This is backed up by Master Mold and Supreme Intelligence, im supposed to belive them or you?