What's worse: Pedophiles or Murderers?

At first, I would have voted murder as being worse.

But then I thought about how the law defines murder. By law, murder is the willful taking of ones life.

Euthanasia is considered murder by law. Despite this, I would never want to see a person punished for ending a loved ones pain.

Euthanasia is not a brutal crime, more a compassionate crime. Because of this, I'd have to say that not all murders are the same, and therefore, one murder is not the same as another.

One peodophile, however, is as bad as another. There is no act of child molestation that is less dispicable as another-likewise, no act of molestation is worse than another.
The law does not define one act of molestation to be less heinous than another.

After thinking about it, I would say peodophilia to be the worse, simple because not murders are callous and brutal, and also because euthanasia is classified as murder by law, when I highly doubt people are going to see this type of killing in the same category as the Scott Peterson case.

Originally posted by PVS
but then you contradicted yourself. you said that this wouldnt necessarily make one a pedophile.

Sorry, I misread. I was thinking you asked "you don't have to be a pedophile?" rather than "don't you have to be a pedophile?"

Originally posted by Starhawk
And this was awnsered pages back, read slower.

You never answered my question.....is it THAT HARD ?

Originally posted by FeceMan
If I recall correctly, someone with a paraphilia requires the fetish to be present (in a sense) in order to achieve sexual gratification. Therefore, one who looks at child pornography/masturbates to the thoughts of children is not so much a pedophile--though we, as the general public would classify him as such--as one who has deviant sexual desires.

I could be completely wrong, however...not to mention that the APA have their heads up their asses for some of the criteria for disorders.

You are incorrect. Only peadophiles masturbate to the thought of children...or watch child porn.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You are incorrect. Only peadophiles masturbate to the thought of children...or watch child porn.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Have you read the DSM-IV?

Yes, and I do not care. The DSM-IV always changes, and always will change as new discoveries are made, and facts are rewritten.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes, and I do not care. The DSM-IV always changes, and always will change as new discoveries are made, and facts are rewritten.

Considering you are disregarding the authoritative source on this, I will disregard your opinion.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Okay.

Considering you are disregarding the authoritative source on this, I will disregard your opinion.

That's fine. I disregard yours all the time. And btw, my opinion is not an opinion. It's truth, and I say that with absolute confidense.

Depends on what 'type' of pedophile.

Theres the 32 year old guys who have sex with 4 year olds.

There's the 18 year old guy who had sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Does the one year into the non-minor catagory really mark him as some evil-doer trying to take advantage of a 'thoughtless child'?

I'd say the former is worse than murder, while the latter seems entirely reasonable.

Originally posted by FeceMan
If I recall correctly, someone with a paraphilia requires the fetish to be present (in a sense) in order to achieve sexual gratification. Therefore, one who looks at child pornography/masturbates to the thoughts of children is not so much a pedophile--though we, as the general public would classify him as such--as one who has deviant sexual desires.

I could be completely wrong, however...not to mention that the APA have their heads up their asses for some of the criteria for disorders.

I don't own a copy of the DSM-IV either, so I could also be completely wrong, but I don't think I buy it. If I understand your argument: Since if someone masterbates to the thoughts of children, they are achieving sexual gratification without the presence of their fetish, it can't be called a paraphilia? I'd say that if someone is fantasizing about children, their fetish is present, albeit only mentally, and that should qualify, since paraphilias are, after all, mental disorders.

Originally posted by Gregory
I don't own a copy of the DSM-IV either, so I could also be completely wrong, but I don't think I buy it. If I understand your argument: Since if someone masterbates to the thoughts of children, they are achieving sexual gratification without the presence of their fetish, it can't be called a paraphilia? I'd say that if someone is fantasizing about children, their fetish is present, albeit only mentally, and that should qualify, since paraphilias are, after all, mental disorders.

However, that doesn't stop it from being the authoritative text on the issue. Clinically, a person who masturbates to/fantasizes about children is only a pedophile if--and only if--that is the only thing that, in vulgar slang, gets him off. Outside of this clinical diagnosis, however, I'd say that he was a pedophile.

What it boils down to, however, is that I'm just being terribly difficult.

Cheerio.

Originally posted by Tarja
One peodophile, however, is as bad as another. There is no act of child molestation that is less dispicable as another-likewise, no act of molestation is worse than another.
The law does not define one act of molestation to be less heinous than another.

Gotta love the people who don't have the guts to say murder is worse, but then DEMEAN the genuinely bad crime that IS paedophilia by saying all acts of paedophilia are equal.

I.e: A man jerking off to kiddy porn is as bad as a serial child rapist.

-AC

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You never answered my question.....is it THAT HARD ?

Yes I did, you just didn't like the awnser which isnt my problem.

People who are attracted to kids are disgusting and sickening.

People who actually assult kids should be executed.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Gotta love the people who don't have the guts to say murder is worse, but then DEMEAN the genuinely bad crime that IS paedophilia by saying all acts of paedophilia are equal.

I.e: A man jerking off to kiddy porn is as bad as a serial child rapist.

-AC

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Depends on what 'type' of pedophile.

Theres the 32 year old guys who have sex with 4 year olds.

There's the 18 year old guy who had sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Does the one year into the non-minor catagory really mark him as some evil-doer trying to take advantage of a 'thoughtless child'?

I'd say the former is worse than murder, while the latter seems entirely reasonable.

32 year old guys who have sex with 4 year olds are worse than 32 year old guys who murder 4 year olds?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so the thought (jerking off to kiddie porn) is just as bad as the act (raping a child)?

He's not saying that; read it properly.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
32 year old guys who have sex with 4 year olds are worse than 32 year old guys who murder 4 year olds?

He's not saying that; read it properly.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That's fine. I disregard yours all the time. And btw, my opinion is not an opinion. It's truth, and I say that with absolute confidense.

Very...Christian of you, buddy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Very...Christian of you, buddy.

Although I believe- I may be wrong- he is an atheist.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Although I believe- I may be wrong- he is an atheist.

He's gay for sure.