Revan vs DE sidious

Originally posted by kamhal

Anyway, this is pointless since he was no force sensitive (we can even use force persuade on him if we want and he was not able to resist). Also, when he saw revan for the first time he was a lightside user so he had no reason to fear him. Anyway, Master Vrook had to know Kun's power since he was a master jedi by that time, yet i showed you that statement in which he says that "The force flows through you like no other student we had ever seen before", thus making revan>exar kun in force power since kun was once a jedi padawan himself...

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Originally posted by Kadesh
You love to feed me with words dont you? i never said he could "sense" them, Obviously he knows whats going in the galaxy, revans name spread everywhere of what he has done, how do you even think the people on nar shadda knew about him? And yes, He apparantly met revan on the station and recognised him if you go to the station after escaping the leviathen, he will acknoledge you as revan i think

But he never compared Revan to Exar Kun. What he actually said was that Kun was more powerful then any Sith Lord he has met in Kun's time.

He never mentioned names of Malak and Revan in comparison to Kun.

Also, he never knew about Malak. He asked our main character that who this current Sith Lord is? And we tell him that current DLOTS is Malak.

And that Rodian even made fun of Sith Lords by saying that "no matter how many we kill, a new Sith Lord always pops-out".

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I will soon find this out that whether he acknowledges Revan or not.

But he never compared Revan to Exar Kun. What he actually said was that Kun was more powerful then any Sith Lord he has met in Kun's time.

He never mentioned names of Malak and Revan in comparison to Kun.

Also, he never knew about Malak. He asked our main character that who this current Sith Lord is? And we tell him that current DLOTS is Malak.

And that Rodian even made fun of Sith Lords by saying that "no matter how many we kill, a new Sith Lord always pops-out".

And he asked because he knew there was something going on in the galaxy with sith lords tearing the galaxy apart

Anyways would it matter if he knew revan existed or not? Itslike saying

"O Dan wallace statement of palpatine being the strongest in the NEC should be refuted because POD didnt come out at that time"

There, I just evened the poll up.

Good job, The polls are utterly filled with fanboyism towards revans side

Originally posted by Kadesh
He did say exar kun was the most powerful sith to [B]ever came by, and he apparantly met revan and acknowledged him after revan escapes the leviathen.
Thats what i think it is, i dont have the content so i cant tell for sure.

And he asked because he knew there was something going on in the galaxy with sith lords tearing the galaxy apart [/B]

Now where does he says that Exar Kun is more powerful then Malak and Revan, especially when he is talking about the PAST?

And when did "Darth Malak" and "Darth Revan" visited Yavin Station?

He only had heard stories about these two Sith Lords and nothing else. And he can't sense the power of a Jedi.

Good point Legend, the rodian is talking about the later sith lords, so he is NOT talking about the current sith lords. And, as legend said well, he didn't even know about malak...

By the way Master Vrook WAS a jedi master during the Great Sith War:

"Vrook Lamar was a Human Jedi Master during the Great Sith War and a member of the Jedi Council during the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War."

"In the years following the Great Sith War, Vrook's primary residence was the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine, but he periodically attended Council meetings at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. In the year 3,993 BBY, he attended the Council meetings on Dantooine that directed Shaela Nuur, Duron Qel-Droma, and Guun Han Saresh to continue the Great Hunt that aimed to exterminate the Terentateks—creatures native to Korriban which fed on the blood of Force-sensitives."

So Vrook KNEW about Exar Kun and the fact that he wasn't on tales of the jedi-dark lords of the sith (or sith war) means nothing since there was THOUSANDS of jedis (as you see when they destroyed the republic) and hte books just show the most impotant part of the conflict. Also, for example jolee bindo, he was a friend from Nomi Sunrider and he fought in the Great Sith War. Yet, we never saw him. Are you denying his presence?

So, if vrook was there (and probably other jedi masters like vandar) and he himself says that the force is stronger in revan them in any student he saw before then revan>kun.

By the way, if there are fanboys here i am not one for sure...

I don't know how this is really a contest. By DE, Sidious has surpassed every other sith lord in power, maybe by a LOT.

He was stated as the strongest from Bane's line. We don't know more then that. For example, in Jedi Academy Luke had afraid from Ragnos return. I am not sure how many years later is this game after the endor batlle, neither if luke had already beat palpatine, however we can't denie he was already a strong jedi master yet he was with afraid from Ragnos' power.

No, several sources like the DSB and the NEC stated that Sidious, by ROTS, is the most powerful sith lord ever. By DE he is miles ahead of his former self. I used to argue the Ragnos point, but it's very unlikely Luke knew Ragos' true power. Not to mention that as much as Ragnos knew, Sidious knew more.

In the context that tDSB stated it, it wasn't in pure respect to combat prowess, but intelligence as well and other aspects of power.

tNEC is written by a narrator inside the SW universe, so stating that Sidious was the most powerful is an opinion with no more weight behind it than mine or your's.

No, you've been humiliated each time you made this stupid argument. It was in context to his skill as it was made during his fight with Yoda, so quit playing stupid. NEC and DSB aren't in universe, only the morons from EOD say that because it helps them sleep better at night.

tNEC is written by an in-universe authority. Voren Na'al or something of that nature. However, the boys at EoD have not hesitated to use fallible third party sources to their advantage before - citing them as authorities (ie: Kreia on the subject of the Ancient Sith).

The bottom line is this: every person in the Star Wars universe is ultimately fallible. Their word is not strictly canon. However, Planet, in the same token - Voren is a historian. He has studied on this, and must be extremely skilled and knowledgeable if he has compiled information not previously revealed - such as Sidious's plots and schemes (which were only known to a handful of people, most of them too afraid to speak of anything - like Gunray). So, standing by itself, in-universe accounts are not canon, but they can be used as support and they can be used as a source.

But it is more for support than the gospel itself.

So Sidious being the most powerful means nothing then Escape?

everyone is giving feats for sidious then saying he's weak yet i havent seen many feats for raven but then again its a 14 page long argument i dont really wanna read it all.

leia may be a ziltch jedi but she did help luke defeat DE sidious, disrupting a force storm, her child helped as well, how can you say she was a jedi for five minutes who cares, luke was a jedi for what, a few months he was never trained as a boy for years and years like obi wan, or even dooku, or sidious, or even darth maul, he was trained for little while by obi wan then for a little bit by yoda, it seems that since he is the son of the one the entire skywalker bloodline has incribible power, skywalker surpassing vader since we cant ever see vader at his full power, i guess he does suprass vader even at full power, cause vader didnt learn how to fight that good till he was alot older, while it took luke a lot less time, i think leia being related to luke and vader can probably do some pretty fancy tricks even though she has little training, on wookiepedia it says luke has unlimited aptitude or something like that i think leia might to, hell even her unborn baby helped defeat DE sidious and thus might have this unlimited apptitude as well, this newest skywalker also seems to have such apptitude being amazingly strong.

beside the skywalker line, sidious learned all these new tricks when returning as the emperor reborn, his lightning could kill you instantly tearing right through you, i dont know if he could always do this but i never heard of it doing that till now, the force storm is two moves actually just with the same name but there totally diffrent one is playing with time and space opening worm holes or tears in time and space, it destroyed an entire fleet, pretty strong stuff, the force storm is an upgraded version of force lightning also from wookie pedia, able to hit more then one apponent.

moving faster then the eye can see how fast is this well windu can fight that fast, i think in ROTS it was shown that sidious is pretty darn fast even at his age, he killed two jedi masters even before they had the chance to defend themselves, then he fought mace and fisto at the same time being to fast for fisto as well and killing him, for all we know he was moving faster then the eye can see, and whats the diffrence between leia's eyes and ours, if she says they moved faster then the eye can see im guessing that means most normal eyes, not jedi eyes, it was stated by someone else that luke moved so fast it was like 20 sabers moving at once yet we know it was only one.

sidious wasnt the only one to destroy sabers from the hands of there holders, dooku did the same to ventress during there fight making her sabers fly out of her hand then destroying them, sidious is way above ventress and dooku and even his former self this sounds like a nifty trick.

Nobody's gonna read that shit.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
So Sidious being the most powerful means nothing then Escape?

Are you asking a genuine question, or are you being obtuse? The tNEC by itself is not a canon source. It is written by an in-universe character. But, it can be used as a source - to reinforce and support other sources and so on.

When was the NEGtChrono ever stated to be an in-universe source? I've never heard anything about Voren Na'al before.