Originally posted by Kadesh
i asked a question, "are you dumb or just spiteful", God learn to read, i didnt insult, i [B]asked
Originally posted by Kadesh
i said he didnt meet vrook personally, for the last time in the name of screaming shit STOP FEEDING ME WITH WORDS
Originally posted by KadeshExar Kun was far more popular then Nihilus. Vrook knew Exar Kun very well. But Nihilus came in to scene after JCW. Now how would he know about this knew threat?
Vrook never trained nihilus, yet did he know about him? No, And knowing an individual is different from knowing what he is capable about
Originally posted by Kadesh
And kun was smart enough to drain an entire planet
Originally posted by Kadesh
Lol but by DE, as DESB and other sources pointed out, he used the dark side rather than technology
DE is a different case.
Originally posted by Kadesh
That is why he is considered a greater sith lord than revan, many pointed out that he is the greatest sith lord in history
And Revan (as a Sith) also did nothing short of impressive.
- He was a military genius and led the Republic Forces to victory against the massive Mandalorian armies.
- He also defeated many powerful individuals by himself in single fights.
- He inspired many Jedi and Soldiers to join his cause. he did not need to hide his intentions. And he never feared Jedi Council.
- He discovered an Ancient Weapon of great power, that has remained unnoticed for thousands of years and exploited it's power for his use.
- He went to those places, that his enemies avoided. Malachor is one such example. He was very brave.
- He discovered many Temples of Ancient Sith on Korriban and learned about their secrets.
- He also re-established Sith Academy on Korriban.
- He finally managed to create a huge Sith Empire as well. And he was challenged by no one. He would have conquered Republic, if his apprentice had not betrayed him and helped him instead.
Originally posted by Kadesh
It is because "the dark side has clouded their vision".
Exar can be doing the same, he could have though i cant prove it, still they cant tell what he is doing weather they can or cant sense him
Secrecy helped Sidious a lot. Or otherwise he stood no chance in succeeding in his aims.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Did you happen to see the word Jedi ? and did you see the word seen ? None of the masters on dantooine ever saw exar kun before nor met him and were unable to guage exars potential.
Those masters had some role in GSW. They were Jedi Masters in Kun's time as well. Now you think that Jedi Master will not have active roles in such a war?
And Master Dorak was especially a Jedi Historian. He tells actually tells you about Exar Kun and GSW. He knows Kun very well or otherwise he would not be a Jedi Historian. he is the keeper of the Jedi Archives. And he never claims that Kun was more powerful then any Jedi or Sith they know about, especially regarding Revan and Malak.
Originally posted by Kadesh
And neither did he claim revan > exar
Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes they were, but did they see him, did they meet him? No they didnt, did they actually see what he has done with their own eyes ? No
KOTOR shows that those Masters knew Exar Kun well. Especially Master Dorak was an expert on Jedi affairs.
Originally posted by Kadesh
I am merely stating a fact, you made baseless claims that revan knew SOMNB and deadly sight and you even claimed revan can kill sidious with his storm lightning, You are a fanboy, accept it and move on
And I mentioned before that I only suppose that Revan knows "Deadly Sight". And I admitted this openly that I have supposed this. I take this back anyways.
Also I mentioned my conclusion that DE Sidious can defeat Revan. End of Story.
So you are fooling yourself by saying that I am Revan Fanboy. I admit that I like Revan but this does not clouds my judgements on bigger issues.
Now you should also "Stop putting words in my Mouth".
Originally posted by Kadesh
It is you who misunderstood, Did you notice the word in history? And DW was referring to ROTS sidious.
Originally posted by Kadesh
He still relied mostly on tactis and technologi
He inspired many Jedi and people to join his cause and became the leader of Republic Armies. He also fought against those powerful individuals who opposed him, when he had the opportunity. He fought and killed "Mandalore - The Ultimate" in a single battle. And he did the same to "Yusanis- Echani General". He crushed all those who dared to oppose him, even by himself.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Oh my god, you are such as @$$ hat(no offence) WHEN DID I EVER SAY EXAR WAS AN ANCIENT SITH? i said kreia STATED the ancient sith > any jedi from her time and KJA STATED exar > Ragnos.
Quit feeding words into my mouth
Originally posted by Kadesh
Kreia is a historian, she knew what the ancient sith were capable of
She indeed said: "Revan was power. Staring in to his eyes was like staring in to the Heart of the Force."
Originally posted by Kadesh
He told what he has seen
Originally posted by Kadesh
Ragnos stated kun was, that was why kun was crowned DLOTS
Originally posted by Kadesh
Because 1) he froze hundreds of thousands of people in the senate 2) he killed billions of massassi until extinction on yavin 4 to unleash his spirit 3) his amulet obilerates everything in its path 4) he saw all that, he was at yavin the whole time
And yet his Amulets fail to kill powerful individuals. Right?
That Rodian never served under Revan. Or else he would be overwhelmed by Revan's achievements.
Originally posted by Kadesh
No i didnt, the word who ever came by means from that moment to the present moment
He never knew that how powerful Revan and Malak were and what they had achieved. he never compares Revan and Malak to Exar Kun. Stop making basless arguements.
Originally posted by Kadesh
and he would have heard rumors about what revan has done, what you think he would waste his whole life on some station?
His knowledge about Revan is very very limited. He remained in that Station for many years and he had no proper clue about what was going on outside and only learned 2nd hand accounts of events. Get over this now!
Children please...
Vrook probably did know Exar Kun, from his run as a Sith Lord, while he was training on Dantooine, I doubt it since Exar Kun at that point in time was really a nobody in the Jedi Order. Now it would be stupid to assume he hasn't heard of/seen Exar in his run as a Sith ESPECIALLY when he strode into Coruscant froze the senate babbled about the Sith/Dark Side and killed a Jedi Master (where all the Jedi on vacation or something?)
The dumb Rodian is not a credible source Kadesh simply for the fact that he's not force sensitive, Exar Kun is likely the ONLY Sith Lord he's actually seen in his lifetime, He's relying on hearsay to judge, and he's in no position to judge Jedi on power.
"He [Rodian] did say exar kun was the most powerful sith to ever came by"- Kadesh
Rodian- "But Exar Kun was far more powerful than any Sith Lord who has COME SINCE"
The Rodian was NOT a force sensitive and he stated that Exar Kun was more powerful then "any sith lord whos has COME SINCE", so you arg is over and don't even insist anymore. Also, Exar was probably the only Sith Lord he had ever seen. By the way, you claimed that in KOTOR there was several statements that kun>Revan, yet you proved nothing.
Now: Vrook WAS a jedi master during the great sith war and at least just 3 years AFTER the GSW he was one the jedi council from dantoine. Also, the masters also have knowledge about other padawans, even when they were not from them. For example, Yoda knew about Anakin, yet anakin was obi-wan's apprentice. In the same way Vrook knew about the jedi exile, yet he was vandar's padawan. He didn't know about nihilus because he was NEVER a jedi before and also he never appeared to Vrook.
So, if the historician Dorak, that have great knowledge about the GSW (you just have to ask him), Vandar the head of the council, and even Vrook who was FOR SURE a jedi master in the GSW says that revan has more force power then ANY student all of them had ever seen before, and just 40 years after the GSW, then Revan>Exar kun. End of point.
Seriously, i don't even know what people see on Exar kun. He had amulets, but he did what? lol, he frooze the senate, ok, i give that, but to use force powers on non-sensitive is not anything especially, that was just a kind of stasis field that actually only worked in non-sensitives (all the other jedis were just fine). Well, in that case i think Bastilla giving stasis field on Juhani and Jolee Bindo is a much greater feat... More, he killed a jedi master that not even had a lightsaber to defend himself. He killed a jedi master with 1000 years old almost unable to move and even them he gave him a force push away. He was not the greatest duelist of his time (isolated), the narrator stated that Ulic was as good as him. Really, what did he do besides talk big?
i was asking a short and simple question, did vrook EVEN meet exar kun? Did he EVEN see what he has done? Did they even know he had the amulet? And clearly we have seen how strong exar kun is even 4000 years after his death, he killed luke skywalker physically and murdered his student gantoris from the inside out.
And why not? Kun could just fuel his powers with the golden globe to make him twice as powerful as he can be, did the jedi even know the golden globe he created existed? No they didnt
Originally posted by kamhalNow: Vrook WAS a jedi master during the great sith war and at least just 3 years AFTER the GSW he was one the jedi council from dantoine. Also, the masters also have knowledge about other padawans, even when they were not from them. For example, Yoda knew about Anakin, yet anakin was obi-wan's apprentice. In the same way Vrook knew about the jedi exile, yet he was vandar's padawan. He didn't know about nihilus because he was NEVER a jedi before and also he never appeared to Vrook.
So, if the historician Dorak, that have great knowledge about the GSW (you just have to ask him), Vandar the head of the council, and even Vrook who was FOR SURE a jedi master in the GSW says that revan has more force power then ANY student all of them had ever seen before, and just 40 years after the GSW, then Revan>Exar kun. End of point.Seriously, i don't even know what people see on Exar kun. He had amulets, but he did what? lol, he frooze the senate, ok, i give that, but to use force powers on non-sensitive is not anything especially, that was just a kind of stasis field that actually only worked in non-sensitives (all the other jedis were just fine). Well, in that case i think Bastilla giving stasis field on Juhani and Jolee Bindo is a much greater feat... More, he killed a jedi master that not even had a lightsaber to defend himself. He killed a jedi master with 1000 years old almost unable to move and even them he gave him a force push away. He was not the greatest duelist of his time (isolated), the narrator stated that Ulic was as good as him. Really, what did he do besides talk big?
Kamhal, are you a raging hormone fanboy of revan? Of course yoda knew anakin because HE HAS MET HIM BEFORE
has vrook everMET EXAR KUN? no he didnt.
And dont start crap by saying bastila > exar kun because her stasis worked on a jedi, when there were no other jedi in the senate at that time, And the amulet? didnt we see it send everything to oblivion in the yavin temple? it killed the massassi which are force sensitives
Vrook was referring to the students either he or the academy trained or he has met before [B] which apparantly he never met him and seen what he has done in yavin or in coruscant. The only jedi master [B]who saw what he did or trained him was master VODO
1) Did i say bastila>kun? No, i didn't say that so YOU don't start with CRAP because i am getting tired from your ATTITUDE since i never lack anyones respect here and YOU had already crossed this line.
2) Sodo-Bias stated exar kun as the greatest apprentice he had and the jedi fought against him. Also ALL the THOUSANDS of jedi were there when they killed exar kun, vrook could PERFECTLY SENSED his power before they killed him this time if he had not sensed it already. Also, in the old republic books just A PART of the war was showed, it's clear that we didn't see everything. We didn't see Jolle Bindo fighting, did we? But he fought there. Also Exar Kun went to the Jedi Acadamy to convince the jedi to join them, are you saying me that from ALL dantoine master's NONE of them sensed his power in all these occasions? How masters who fought in the war never felt his power? It's impossible, especially when people say his power was huge, because if it's huge must be sensed across al the galaxy.
3) I NEVER SAID VROOK TRAINED EXAR KUN YOU JERK! And vrook said "the force through you like no other student we had ever SEEN before." Not "... like no other student we had ever TRAINED before". And if you ask Dorak he even says "Revan's tale shows us how even the GREATEST of the jedi can fall to the dark side", thus making revan>exar kun. And dorak knew about exar kun, you just have to ask him, yet revan had more force power then no other student he had ever SEEN! Want more?
"We had never met one like you before, and never since"- Canderous Ordo, who fought in the Great Sith War
"We lost to the greatest warrior the Republic had ever known"- Canderous Ordo, who fought in the Great Sith War
Revan- "Who where Exar Kun?"
Jolee- "A fallen jedi... (bla bla)"
Revan- "Some kind of revan? Of me?"
Jolee- "Yeah"
Exar was "some kind of revan", lol. A smaller revan maybe lol...
Originally posted by Sexyback
Gideon, have you even read the book?
I've read bits of it. A friend of mine owns it. After he showed me excerpts of Sirak knowing Vaapad, Revan's holocron detailing all of what Bane did, and Zannah's deed at the end of the book - it completely turned me off from completing it.
Likewise, "best Star Wars book"? Yeah. "Only in your mind, my young apprentice."
The general consensus is that the Thrawn trilogy is the best. Zahn > Drew.
Originally posted by Sexyback
Read the whole book before you judge. I got bored of reading book 1 of the Thrawn trilogy after like 5 pages. Too heavy, the writing's slow and depressing.
Yeah, you're pretty much reiterating why you're hypocrisy walking. Anyways. PoD's not an international bestseller or an innovator like the Thrawn trilogy was. So, pretty much, I'm thinking that it's nowhere near as great in the public eye, and it never will be.
I hope that Plagueis novel in '08 doesn't walk down the line of BS that PoD did.
Actually, maybe it will, and Plagueis will lift a finger - and make six stars go supernova. 😛