Revan vs DE sidious

Originally posted by Gideon
Revan's achievements are second only to Sidious? I'd say Bane is number two for achievements, though the KotoR fanboys and the dumbass who wrote PoD would try to disagree.

It is Drew who has made Bane a very powerful character.

But Revan had achieved what no one had achieved in his time and even many years later. Only Sidious surpassed Revan's achievements 4000 years later.

Shall I make a list of Revan's achievements?

I don't know Escape, I like Revan and tend to think that without his holocron, Bane wouldn't have been able to do what he did. Revan basically destroyed the sith and at the same time destroyed the Jedi, so it's a fair conclusion that Revan is second only to Sidious.

Marka Ragnos should be pretty high up there, he was DL of the sith during its Golden Age.

NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT RAGNOS! DROP IT!
HE IS AN UNKNOWN!
HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A GIRLFRIEND!
HE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT POWERFUL!

1. You're talking to me as if I'm an Ancient Sith fanboy. I'm not, don't be silly, drop it and back off.

2. We know enough. The fact that he ruled over the sith during its golden age for centuries says a lot.

You don't have to know much about Ragnos to logically deduce that he was most likely the second most powerful sith, behind DE Sidious.

Actually I'd say there are quite a few sith above Ragnos in combat prowess; Sidious, Nihilus, Exar, Bane, Revan and maybe a few others.

Originally posted by Sexyback
1. You're talking to me as if I'm an Ancient Sith fanboy. I'm not, don't be silly, drop it and back off.

2. We know enough. The fact that he ruled over the sith during its golden age for centuries says a lot.

Cool off, I was joking around!

NOTE: Notice, I use an argument:
He didn't even have a girlfriend, he couldn't have been that powerful

It was, I assure you, a joke.
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Originally posted by Sexyback
Actually I'd say there are quite a few sith above Ragnos in combat prowess; Sidious, Nihilus, Exar, Bane, Revan and maybe a few others.

Nihilus? Hardly, especially sine the technique derived from the ancient sith.
Kun? Hardly, considering he learned not even a fraction of the ancient sith teachings.
Bane? Self explanatory
Revan? Possible but very unlikely he learned that many ancient sith techniques to be more powerful than the greatest dark lord of the sith, of the ancient sith.

Sexy, what you don't seem to get is that there's more to power than just knowledge. Until Ragnos has some concrete stuff on him, you just can't consider him more powerful. You can deduce that he's up there, but not that he's more powerful.

And it's funny how you give Revan the best chance of being better, when he's quite clearly the worst on that list. And don't try to pass Bane off, the guy pulled a fricking moon out of orbit, I've proven this, here, I'll post it again:

My argument: Bane pulled the moon out of orbit.

Premise 1: Bane planned to do so, and fly on top of a beast from Dxun to Onderon.

Premise 2: It's later confirmed in tNEGtC that Bane did fly on top of a beast in between their atmospheres and that he did meet up with Zannah.

Premise 3: The two atmospheres had slowly been moving away from each other for thousands of years, by this point they were too far apart for Bane to travel across, so the only way Bane could have travelled across them would be if the atmospheres somehow were close enough together, and the only way Bane could have ensured this is by pulling the atmospheres close enough together with the force.

Now you can whine all you want about me not proving it, but until you can either prove one of those premises wrong, or prove how those premises don't form the conclusion I arrived at, you'll have to accept it.

I have the feeling the same stupi person is voting Revan over and over here

Originally posted by Sexyback
Sexy, what you don't seem to get is that there's more to power than just knowledge. Until Ragnos has some concrete stuff on him, you just can't consider him more powerful. You can deduce that he's up there, but not that he's more powerful.

And it's funny how you give Revan the best chance of being better, when he's quite clearly the worst on that list. And don't try to pass Bane off, the guy pulled a fricking moon out of orbit, I've proven this, here, I'll post it again:

Now you can whine all you want about me not proving it, but until you can either prove one of those premises wrong, or prove how those premises don't form the conclusion I arrived at, you'll have to accept it.

Proven what? Oh that orbit thing? Now nebaris/planet, when escape comes in and shuts down your argument, you haven't "proven" anything, no matter what your denilal-as-a-self defense-mechanism leads you to believe.
Next, Marka Ragnos is the greatest and most powerful from the ancient sith. We have seen the likes of Nadd, Bane, Revan, Nihilus, and Kun, all become powerful, but aside from Revan and Bane, none of them truly learned that many secrets from the ancient sith. I'm a firm believer of quality>quantity and ancient sith knowledge is pure quality. The one who learned the most would be Revan and Sidious, and we know where Sidious stands. Revan went back to the light side after maybe a year. Ragnos ruled for 100+ years with an iron fist. You need to understand the logic in this. A DLOTS has ruled for 100+ years untouched. Yes, I'm fairly certain I can put Ragnos above everyone but Sidious.

Marka Ragnos is an unknown; we assume he is powerful, but we have no idea. Also, Ragnos did not go up against Jedi; everyone else after him, did. Everyone else after him did not rule for 100+ years...

Whatever, that's your opinion TD, but please, how about you quit ignoring my argument.

[quote]My argument: Bane pulled the moon out of orbit.

Premise 1: Bane planned to do so, and fly on top of a beast from Dxun to Onderon.

Premise 2: It's later confirmed in tNEGtC that Bane did fly on top of a beast in between their atmospheres and that he did meet up with Zannah.

Premise 3: The two atmospheres had slowly been moving away from each other for thousands of years, by this point they were too far apart for Bane to travel across, so the only way Bane could have travelled across them would be if the atmospheres somehow were close enough together, and the only way Bane could have ensured this is by pulling the atmospheres close enough together with the force.

Now you can whine all you want about me not proving it, but until you can either prove one of those premises wrong, or prove how those premises don't form the conclusion I arrived at, you'll have to accept it.[/quote]

Just to add on to it, even if it hadn't been proven that Bane did actually pull the moon out of orbit, Bane was never arrogant of his abilities, the fact that he believed himself capable of doing what he had planned speaks volumes.

You do NOT have an argument period. Nothing what you said is anything more than your opinion and/or speculation. Learn to debate, then come back.

You do realise that you saying that I have no argument doesn't actually make it so, right? You just don't want to admit it.

everybody saying it makes it so.

Now you can whine all you want about me not proving it, but until you can either prove one of those premises wrong, or prove how those premises don't form the conclusion I arrived at, you'll have to accept it.

Lets see, because I refuse to deal with your ridiculous arguments(if you call them that), I have to accept it? Maybe someone should take Logic 101 before posting on here.