I don't have to. Leia was witness to Luke and Sidious's fight in Dark Empire. It was said that she couldn't see either of them - only that they were generating waves of energy.
Source?
Funny how the comic didn't display this...
Likewise, according to the audio drama, the fight was so intense that it killed nearby stormtroopers.
Nice... So you're using a source which likely no one has access to apart from you apparently.
Funny how the comic didn't display this...
You can't say that a "force shield" is going to stop such an attack. If that is the case, why can't it stop Force lightning?
Force lightning is an indirect tangible attack. It wouldn't be blocked for the same reason a lightsaber wouldn't be.
Force drain?
Where's it said that it can't block a drain.
Force grip?
Actually, it can block TK.
Sidious also didn't have this ability in RotS - I never claimed that he did, either. And he viewed his duel with Luke as a "game", in which he tried to display his dominance.
The fact is, I've provided a valid defence for it, and Sidious has only successfully displayed it against DE Leia, who had been a jedi for like how long? 5 minutes?
Defense against having their lightsaber destroyed by their opponents with hand gestures? Why, they must teach some hardcore lessons at the Academy.
Force shield is a basic technique, Bane learns it pretty early on in the academy at Korriban, and padawans in the PT order were taught it pretty early on as well.
Was it ever confirmed to be Force lightning? You said his version of a Force Storm - which is an upgraded form of lightning. Not the same thing.
Source?
Funny how the comic didn't display this...
The Dark Empire audio drama. It's a CD with the contents of the novel spoken. I owned a copy a while back.
Nice... So you're using a source which likely no one has access to apart from you apparently.
Funny how the comic didn't display this...
Please, Nebaris. Assuming only makes an ass out of you and - well... you.
I believe Lightsnake might even have a copy.
Force lightning is an indirect tangible attack. It wouldn't be blocked for the same reason a lightsaber wouldn't be.
Force lightning is generated by the Force. A lightsaber isn't. Surely, a Force shield would protect the user from Force-based attacks. Don't compare lightning to a lightsaber.
Where's it said that it can't block a drain.
Oh, it has?
Actually, it can block TK.
I'm not talking about a Force push. I said a Force grip. Telekinetic energy fueled by usage of the dark side that constricts the throat. Has it been shown to block Force grip?
The fact is, I've provided a valid defence for it, and Sidious has only successfully displayed it against DE Leia, who had been a jedi for like how long? 5 minutes?
The fact is, you haven't, and - again - what makes it special against Leia? I think you're just assuming, but all right.
Force shield is a basic technique, Bane learns it pretty early on in the academy at Korriban, and padawans in the PT order were taught it pretty early on as well.
A force shield that - again - can protect from lightning, grip, and drain?
1. I said storm of force lightning, not force storm. 😉
2. Force storm is a completely different technique to force lightning, it's not an upgraded version.
Not Sidious's Force Storm, Nebaris, but the KotoR version of the Force Storm - an upgrade of Force lightning.
Really Escape thats a sad argument, the only reason he could destroy Liea's saber is because it had been an ANCIENT relic milineua old, and other then the fact that Leia had been as put a Jedi(in name only) for about three seconds its perfectly acceptable that she didn't have an adequate defense against someone like Darth ****ing Sidious. He even comments on what a piece of shit the saber is. Come on.
As for the faster then teh eye can see, who was watching? Again Liea who as before mentioned was a Jedi for a day had little to zilch training and what she did came from Vima Da Boda, But really I don't see whats so special about using force speed, Mace and Sidious were described as blurs too and this time by ANAKIN. And yet a multiple people can hypothetically compete and sometimes win against both of them, Revan being one of these.
The Point. Stop creaming your pants over force speed.
Just to let you guys know, NEC declared palpatine the most powerful sith lord
and that the DESB stated palpatine knew every technique of the dark side of the force including the "spear of midnight black".
Gideon, speed not always need to be the factor, take sidious vs yoda for example, yoda is much much faster than sidious, and in the end it was a stalemate, same with vader vs his opponents, he may not be fast be he still can take down his enemies
and nebaris if its really you, (you can have this) t(-.-t) thats right crado
EDIT
@ ok lets not forget that palpatines force storm is so powerful it could tear the fabrics of space apart, it only takes him a few mere seconds to create one but wouldnt it be extremely dangerous to do so during battle? like 2 bad things
1)he leaves himself open to revan
2) he could kill himself with storm because even he cant control such a power as he stated in the book of anger
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Really Escape thats a sad argument, the only reason he could destroy Liea's saber is because it had been an ANCIENT relic milineua old, and other then the fact that Leia had been as put a Jedi(in name only) for about three seconds its perfectly acceptable that she didn't have an adequate defense against someone like Darth ****ing Sidious. He even comments on what a piece of shit the saber is. Come on.As for the faster then teh eye can see, who was watching? Again Liea who as before mentioned was a Jedi for a day had little to zilch training and what she did came from Vima Da Boda, But really I don't see whats so special about using force speed, Mace and Sidious were described as blurs too and this time by ANAKIN. And yet a multiple people can hypothetically compete and sometimes win against both of them, Revan being one of these.
The Point. Stop creaming your pants over force speed.
Lol, AC, I wasn't aware that Jedi training augmented one's eyesight.
quote]The Dark Empire audio drama. It's a CD with the contents of the novel spoken. I owned a copy a while back.[/quote]
Good for you. 👆
Please, Nebaris. Assuming only makes an ass out of you and - well... you.
Clearly, you had been saving that one, and just couldn't hold it in any longer, because a good time to use it would have been when, you know, I actually made an assumption relevant to the actual debate.
I believe Lightsnake might even have a copy.
Good for him. 👆
Force lightning is generated by the Force.
So... All matter in the SW Galaxy is made up of the force, including a lightsaber, the fact that it is a manifestation of the force is pretty irrelevant.
A lightsaber isn't. Surely, a Force shield would protect the user from Force-based attacks. Don't compare lightning to a lightsaber.
Only direct force-based attacks it seems. Now please, be logical. The force shield has no physical presence, so why would it block direct tangible attacks?
Oh, it has?
Absence of proof does not = proof of absence. Now please, logically provide a reason why the shield wouldn't block it, especially considering that it has been able to block pretty much every intangible attack it has ever come across, as far as we know.
I'm not talking about a Force push. I said a Force grip. Telekinetic energy fueled by usage of the dark side that constricts the throat. Has it been shown to block Force grip?
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As I said, it can block TK, grip is an example of TK. In fact, when Bane grips Quordis, Quordis attempts to block it with a shield, but Bane's attack just tears through it - the point is, he believed that he would be able to defend himself with a shield.
The fact is, you haven't, and - again - what makes it special against Leia? I think you're just assuming, but all right.
Leia was untrained, she lacked the knowledge of defending against it. But seriously Gideon, such a thing wouldn't work for the same reason a lightsaber can't be pulled away with TK during a battle, or the same reason you can't just use TK to turn the lightsaber button of your opponent off, again, these are early skills taught to padawans.
Not Sidious's Force Storm, Nebaris, but the KotoR version of the Force Storm - an upgrade of Force lightning.
1 question, why are you bringing up irrelevant points? I perfectly know what a force storm is, I perfectly know what a storm of lightning is, quit telling me what I already know as if you're in a position of superior knowledge. But seriously, if you originally had a point, take a breather, and start again, because I seriously don't know what you're talking about.
A force shield that - again - can protect from lightning, grip, and drain?
Grip and drain, not lightning. Quit bringing this point up again and again. I've already responded to it.
Lol, AC, I wasn't aware that Jedi training augmented one's eyesight.
Jedi training augments all the senses according to Qui-Gon in Jedi Apprentice...
Edit - Nice to see you're copying Advent by the way, 'retired' one. 😆
Thinking logically about this it seems many members are biased towards Sidious as he is displayed more so than Revan. Revan was a master swordsman, if sidious used his knowledge of the force in order to remove his weapon then it clearly shows his fear of what Revan can do. True, Revan may not be as intricately skilled in the force as his latter but he would most likely be able to muster enough power to cut sidious down if he survived the mere struggle of using the force. Think about it, Revan was before the time of Sidious and was already using the raw power of a force storm which conveys how if sidious wasnt defeated by him he would be worn down pretty badly.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
DE Sidious easily takes this.
Still I do believe that DE Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord ever known and will win in this fight, but after a long and hard battle.
But we have to note that Revan knows some devastating force powers that can kill an enemy in an instant.
So this fight will be more based on chances.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Revan taught Bane a few moves via a holocron.
Sidious blew up a fleet.
And those few moves enhanced Bane's power like never before.
Bane even hinted that Revan knew some dark side powers that were too dangerous to try.
Try to be more open-minded next time.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And those few moves also include the knowledge of the feared [B]Thought Bomb, which is one of the deadliest dark side rituals ever known.And those few moves enhanced Bane's power like never before.
Bane even hinted that Revan knew some dark side powers that were too dangerous to try.
Try to be more open-minded next time. [/B]
so? Palpatines force powers alone were so powerful it could tear the fabrics of space, and yet he mastered EVERY single dark side technique as the DESB stated.
Palpatine knows the thought bomb btw... It was stated in the DESB
Palpatines force powers alone were so powerful it could tear the fabrics of space,
Quantify and substantiate this.
and yet he mastered EVERY single dark side technique as the DESB stated.Palpatine knows the thought bomb btw... It was stated in the DESB
Bullshit. I own the DESB, it doesn't ever say that crap.
Originally posted by Kadesh
so? Palpatines force powers alone were so powerful it could tear the fabrics of space, and yet he mastered EVERY single dark side technique as the DESB stated.Palpatine knows the thought bomb btw... It was stated in the DESB
Try to read more carefully next time.
Originally posted by The PlanetO? the book of anger? Dark empire? EDIT- force storm
Quantify and substantiate this.
Originally posted by The Planet
Bullshit. I own the DESB, it doesn't ever say that crap.
by the way, get off these forums you sock
O? the book of anger?
Do you even know what quantify and substantiate mean? LOL, I didn't ask you to name a source.
What part of "every aspect of the force" do you not understand?
That's not in there either, LOL! And even so, mastering the dark side of the force /= mastering every single darkside technique.
by the way, get off these forums you sock
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