Revan vs DE sidious

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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um luke skywalker read his books and learnt UNDER sidious during DE so he would know how to counter "deadly sight"

This is not a good enough evidence.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And i would say sidious would not use that during battle, He has got so many other force powers over revan and have far more deadly force powers, by the way, sidious knows every technique that revan knew, including the thought bomb

Again your speculations never end.

OK! we acknowledge that Sidious had most knowledge of Dark Side powers but how can you say that he knows so many more force powers then Revan? Do you actually know that how many force powers Revan knows?

Revan's knowledge of Dark Side Force Powers surpassed the entire knowledge of Sith Powers found in Korriban planet, where many tombs of powerful ancient Sith Lords were present. And Revan has explored many such tombs of ancient Sith Lords in quest for greater power and discovered huge number of ancient secrets. Is this information not enough?

Remember that you can't fully judge Revan's power from a game.

So your claim that Sidious knew far more then Revan is simply baseless. Yes! Sidious might have known more but to say that he knew far more is completetly rubbish because you can't prove it.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again theres "spear of midnight black" which revan would not expect.

Sadly, another speculation from you. We don't know that how much Revan knows about Dark Side Force Powers but we do know that Revan knew large number of Dark Side Force Powers and it could be a possibility that he would have known this power as well but this is also an assumption. Still a person who knows "Thought Bomb" will surely know a lot more.

Originally posted by Kadesh
And by the way, sidious destroyed an entire room of storm troopers with just 1 shot of lighting, and we are talking about dozens of storm troopers

Revan killed dozens of Rakatan Warriors in Lehon Planet in single shot of lightening as well, so this is nothing special.

Originally posted by Kadesh
By the way, the sith didnt all come as an army on revan, they all came individually

Wow! this is the most stupidest comment I have ever read in this forum yet. You think that those Sith Warriors were stupid enough to go and face Revan in one by one fashion so that they could easily get slaughtered like flies by him? Well done! Kadesh! you have proved to be a 3 year old to me now.

Go play KOTOR again and this time, set difficulty level to "Normal" at-least (which is recommended).

Kadesh Restricted

Well luke stated he knew how to block dark side powers in DE 2 after he had studied from sidious and sidious himself claimed he taught luke too well, That luke knows how to defend against palpatine, O and didnt luke some how discovered a defence against palpatines force storm?

Theres your "evidence"

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

OK! we acknowledge that Sidious had most knowledge of Dark Side powers but how can you say that he knows so many more force powers then Revan? Do you actually know that how many force powers Revan knows?
Wrong, sidious had mastered every aspect of the dark side of the force, source? DESB and the dark empire source handbook as well as the comic itself and lets not forget the Audio book
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan's knowledge of Dark Side Force Powers surpassed the entire knowledge of Sith Powers found in Korriban planet, where many tombs of powerful ancient Sith Lords were present. And Revan has explored many such tombs of ancient Sith Lords in quest for greater power and discovered huge number of ancient secrets. Is this information not enough?
That ends when i say that it has been proven that sidious mastered everything there was in the dark side of the force.
Sidious had done the same thing and yet he could invent new powers such as the force storm, the one which tears the fabrics of space and destroyed an entire fleet killing thousands of people

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So your claim that Sidious knew far more then Revan is simply baseless. Yes! Sidious might have known more but to say that he knew far more is completetly rubbish because you can't prove it.
Baseless? That several sources pointed out that he mastered all the dark side techniques? that lightsnake has proven this time and again? That both DESB , the audio book and the handbook stated palpatine knew eveytechnique? Suggestion? go read them
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Sadly, another speculation from you. We don't know that how much Revan knows about Dark Side Force Powers but we do know that Revan knew large number of Dark Side Force Powers and it could be a possibility that he would have known this power as well but this is also an assumption. Still a person who knows "Thought Bomb" will surely know a lot more.
Not when palpatine is declared the most powerful sith and the greatest sith lord by the NEC. And palpatine spent decades mastering the dark side and surpassed every other sithlord including exar kun.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan killed dozens of Rakatan Warriors in Lehon Planet in single shot of lightening as well, so this is nothing special.
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Yes and sidious sent an entire fleet consisting of thousands of people to oblivion
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Wow! this is the most stupidest comment I have ever read in this forum yet. You think that those Sith Warriors were stupid enough to go and face Revan in one by one fashion so that they could be easily picked out like flies by him? Well done! Kadesh! you have proved to be a 3 year old to me now..

Learn to debate civily please.
It was what was shown, 3 at a time the dark jedis came out. Why dont prove that an entire army came at that time? hm? *waits for an answer*
Revan was shown killing the "army" 1 by 1 individually
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Go play KOTOR again and this time, set difficulty level to "Normal" at-least (which is recommended).

i played hard, and dont tell me what to do

The Planet Restricted
so? palpatine destroyed an entire fleet in space

In DE, yes. Remember, the feat I posted was what Revan could do before KotOR. Sure, I agree that Sidious by DE is > Revan, but my whole argument is that he's not >>>>> Revan, more like > Revan.

killed a platoon of troopers in his office with 1 shot of lightning

Really doesn't quite compare to taking out an army of Rakatans with the same attack, like Revan did.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by The Planet
In DE, yes. Remember, the feat I posted was what Revan could do before KotOR. Sure, I agree that Sidious by DE is > Revan, but my whole argument is that he's not >>>>> Revan, more like > Revan.
Not saying he >>>> revan, revan is powerful i do not deny, id put him in the top 10 for sure

Originally posted by The Planet

Really doesn't quite compare to taking out an army of Rakatans with the same attack, like Revan did.
true but thats because revan turned it to a bigger scale

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
Well luke stated he knew how to block dark side powers in DE 2 after he had studied from sidious and sidious himself claimed he taught luke too well, That luke knows how to defend against palpatine, O and didnt luke some how discovered a defence against palpatines force storm?

Theres your "evidence"


You better provide me some direct quotes regarding Luke's capability to defend against Sidious's "Deadly Sight" and don't give me theories.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Wrong, sidious had mastered every aspect of the dark side of the force, source? DESB and the dark empire source handbook as well as the comic itself and lets not forget the Audio book

But what does this tells us about Revan's knowledge? Not much has been revealed about Revan's power yet but his knowledge of the dark side powers has been stated to be "immense" in POD Novel, which is good enough evidence.

The definition of word "immense" is: huge: unusually great in size or amount or degree or especially extent or scope.

Originally posted by Kadesh
That ends when i say that it has been proven that sidious mastered everything there was in the dark side of the force.

No this does not ends my point regarding Revan because you don't know much about Revan's knowledge.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sidious had done the same thing and yet he could invent new powers such as the force storm, the one which tears the fabrics of space and destroyed an entire fleet killing thousands of people

This is surely impressive but can this power be used in a "versus" scenario?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Baseless? That several sources pointed out that he mastered all the dark side techniques? that lightsnake has proven this time and again? That both DESB , the audio book and the handbook stated palpatine knew eveytechnique? Suggestion? go read them

Those sources indicate about Sidious's knowledge but they don't compare Sidious with Revan. Revan also knew huge number of Sith Powers, so he is definately close. Remember that when the word "huge" is used, it means a lot more then many others.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Not when palpatine is declared the most powerful sith and the greatest sith lord by the NEC. And palpatine spent decades mastering the dark side and surpassed every other sithlord including exar kun.

And no one has disputed this fact. But using "time period" in arguements is useless. Marka Ragnos was a Sith Lord for more then 100 years, but this does not means that he knows more about Sith Powers then Sidious. Revan learned lot more then Marka in few years as an example.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes and sidious sent an entire fleet consisting of thousands of people to oblivion

Useless arguement in a versus fight.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Learn to debate civily please.
It was what was shown, 3 at a time the dark jedis came out. Why dont prove that an entire army came at that time? hm? *waits for an answer*
Revan was shown killing the "army" 1 by 1 individually
i played hard, and dont tell me what to do

Sorry! if I was "harsh" but you are not telling the truth in this case.

Here is my evidence:

Case 1: At the begining of the fight, a squad of "SF Battle Droids" attacked Revan and they were always in pairs and in the very first scene, four of them attacked us instantly from both sides.

Case 2: Dark Jedi always arrived and attacked us in the form of squad of 3 individuals (as minimum) through-out on the Star Forge. And fighting these Jedi, would provide sufficient time for other Sith Troopers to gather around us in large numbers. And squads after squads of these Dark Jedi (followed by many Sith Troopers) would continue to attack us until we reached Bastilla's position.

Case 3: Large number of "Turrets" were also present in one section of SF that fired on us constantly until they were destroyed.

Case 4: In an another battle with "SF Battle Droids" before confronting Malak, those Droids were being produced in large numbers and attacked Revan from all sides and waves after waves of them continued to attack Revan until Revan destroyed the generators that were constantly producing these Droids.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You better provide me some direct quotes regarding Luke's capability to defend against Sidious's "Deadly Sight" and don't give me theories.
o? when luke told his student "Thats an old sith trick, the holocron back then showed me how to defend it" in DE II and he studied about the holocrons palpatine gave to him. As you were saying?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

But what does this tells us about Revan's knowledge? Not much has been revealed about Revan's power yet but his knowledge of the dark side powers has been stated to be "[B]immense" in POD Novel, which is good enough evidence.
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Not good enough to prove he will win this battle, the clear victor is Palpatine.Palpatines storm alone could tear the fabrics of space, ripping open a wormhole

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

The definition of word "immense" is: [B]huge: unusually great in size or amount or degree or especially extent or scope.
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So? Does this compare to a sith lord which is declared the most powerful? Sidious powers were described to be of a monsterous magnitude, and one which could rip the fabrics of space as the book of anger stated
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

No this does not ends my point regarding Revan because you don't know much about Revan's knowledge.
It does, because you have no idea how powerful sidious is by DE
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

This is surely impressive but can this power be used in a "versus" scenario?

Yes, he was about to use it on luke an leia when they cut him off from the force, as stated inthe audio book

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Those sources indicate about Sidious's knowledge but they don't compare Sidious with Revan. Revan also knew huge number of Sith Powers, so he is definately close. Remember that when the word "huge" is used, it means a lot more then many others.


Um they compared him with every other sith lord, what part of the NEC do you not understand "The most powerful sith lord in history"
Knowing alot does not and will not compare to some one knowing every aspect of the dark side of the force. Clearly in knowledge of powers and range, sidious > revan. Accept it and move on

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Useless arguement in a versus fight.
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Not when its proven that he can use it during battke

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[B]Case 1: At the begining of the fight, a squad of "SF Battle Droids" attacked Revan and they were always in pairs and in the very first scene, four of them attacked us instantly from both sides.
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Not an army am i correct? you fail again

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[B]Case 2: Dark Jedi always arrived and attacked us in the form of squad of 3 individuals (as minimum) through-out on the Star Forge. And fighting these Jedi, would provide ample time for other Sith Soldiers to gather around us in large numbers.
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Um remember its 3 on 3? And did you not mention how powerful revan is? That he can kill one of them so fast and stomp on their ass? Its true i dont deny, especially of his other 2 members could be holding off 2 of them while revan focus on 1, Revan is a brilliant strategist, he wouldnt rush in and keep killing them, he would plan an attack, as he proved in the mandalorian wars.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

[B]Case 3: In an another battle with "SF Battle Droids" before confronting Malak, those Droids were produced in large numbers and attacked Revan from all sides and waves after waves of them continued to attack Revan until Revan destroyed the generators that were constantly producing these Droids. [/B]
yaha, "driods" not jedis, Vader too got attacked by dozens of soldiers and tanks in Eaw, and yet he pwned them, does it mean hes the best? no hes not.

There is a difference between droids and jedis.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
o? when luke told his student "Thats an old sith trick, the holocron back then showed me how to defend it" in DE II and he studied about the holocrons palpatine gave to him. As you were saying?

Fair enough. But since its an OLD Sith Trick, so Revan would possibly knew it as well as he has studied and learned many ancient Sith Powers in his time.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Not good enough to prove he will win this battle, the clear victor is Palpatine. Palpatines storm alone could tear the fabrics of space, ripping open a wormhole

I have said before that DE Sidious has better chance in winning in this fight, since he is most powerful.

Originally posted by Kadesh
So? Does this compare to a sith lord which is declared the most powerful? Sidious powers were described to be of a monsterous magnitude, and one which could rip the fabrics of space as the book of anger stated

Only his one force power is stated to rip the fabrics of space and that is his "Force Storm" and none of the other force powers can do that.

Originally posted by Kadesh
It does, because you have no idea how powerful sidious is by DE
Yes, he was about to use it on luke an leia when they cut him off from the force, as stated inthe audio book

I have studied about DE Sidious and I have never disputed about his immense power, so stop telling me that I don't have any idea.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um they compared him with every other sith lord, what part of the NEC do you not understand "The most powerful sith lord in history"

They only mentioned that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord in history of Star Wars Saga. In "Logical Sense", you can say that his knowledge of Dark Side Powers have surpassed all but it does not indicates "by how much".

Originally posted by Kadesh
Knowing alot does not and will not compare to some one knowing every aspect of the dark side of the force. Clearly in knowledge of powers and range, sidious > revan. Accept it and move on

I agree that Sidious > Revan. But Sidious is not >>> Revan, which was your previous idea.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Not when its proven that he can use it during battke

Good for Sidious but it depends on the factor that how fast he can generate it, because a power of this magnitude definately takes some time to generate.

Revan can also use his super "force storm lightening" against Sidious and kill him and he can generate it in few seconds.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Not an army am i correct? you fail again

Malak used the term "the army of SF Battle Droids" before sending them to fight Revan. So actually you fail miserably here.

And by the way, they were part of the Sith Forces stationed in Star Forge and they count in.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um remember its 3 on 3? And did you not mention how powerful revan is? That he can kill one of them so fast and stomp on their ass? Its true i dont deny, especially of his other 2 members could be holding off 2 of them while revan focus on 1, Revan is a brilliant strategist, he wouldnt rush in and keep killing them, he would plan an attack, as he proved in the mandalorian wars.

Remember that you said that Sith arrived in one by one fashion. So you fail again.

Originally posted by Kadesh
yaha, "driods" not jedis, Vader too got attacked by dozens of soldiers and tanks in Eaw, and yet he pwned them, does it mean hes the best? no hes not.

So??? your arguement was that Sith arrived in one-on-one fashion. Try again and you will fail again.

Originally posted by Kadesh
There is a difference between droids and jedis.

They were part of "Sith Forces" stationed on Star Forge and I was talking about Sith Forces as a whole (which includes Jedi, Droids and Soldiers alike). They did attacked in large numbers and not in one-on-one fashion as you have so proudly mentioned before.

My next advice is that always try to understand the logic behind a post before replying.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fair enough. But since its an [B]OLD Sith Trick, so Revan would possibly knew it as well as he has studied and learned many ancient Sith Powers in his time.[/B]
Proof? Not many sith lords have even heard of deadly sight, had revan knew it, he would have used it since its such an effective ability, Again prove that he knew it and stop giving anecdotes

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

They only mentioned that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord in history of Star Wars Saga. In "Logical Sense", you can say that his knowledge of Dark Side Powers have surpassed all but it does not indicates "by how much".
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Yes, but didnt 2 other books stated that palpatine knew everything about the dark side? that he knew every technique? revan isnt even close. Yes he surpassed all by alot. What part of every technique do you not understand?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I agree that Sidious > Revan. But Sidious is not >>> Revan, which was your previous idea.
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i already agreed sid > revan, see the above
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Good for Sidious but it depends on the factor that how fast he can generate it, because a power of this magnitude definately takes some time to generate..

Force storm can be generated in 1-2 seconds, as DE proved

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Revan can also use his super "force storm lightening" against Sidious and kill him and he can generate it in few seconds.
Not when sidious has other abilities which are far faster like spear of midnight black, electro magnetic torpedo, force drain, crush,

or prehaps i shall make a list
Force Grip
Force Chok
Force Crush
Force Lightning
Force Spark
Force Storm
Force Storm
Force Rage
Force Heal
Force Drain
Death Field
Force Slow
Force Affliction
Force Plague
Force Fear
Force Horror
Force Insanity
Force Destruction
Destruction Orb
Deadly Sight
Drain Knowledge
Force Field
Mind Control
Thought bomb
Force Scream
Spear of midnight black
Electromagnetic torpedo
Sith Alchemy
Torture by chagrin
Force Flight
Force Wound
Mechu-deru

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Malak used the term "[B]the army of SF Battle Droids" before sending them to fight Revan. So actually you fail miserably here.
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He referred them to an army because of the number of them that were in the SF, again you fail to prove they all attacked him at once

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Remember that you said that Sith arrived in one by one fashion. So you fail again.

Um i also said 3 by 3 didnt i? and you confirmed it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So??? your arguement was that Sith arrived in one-on-one fashion. Try again and you will fail again.
See the above
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

They were part of "Sith Forces" stationed on Star Forge and I was talking about Sith Forces as a whole (which includes Jedi, Droids and Soldiers alike). They did attacked in large numbers and not in one-on-one fashion as you have so proudly mentioned before.
Yes but i have mentioned earlier in groups, you still fail to prove that they attacked him AS an army, as in every single one of them at once in one huge group as you claimed
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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
[B]Proof? Not many sith lords have even heard of deadly sight, had revan knew it, he would have used it since its such an effective ability, Again prove that he knew it and stop giving anecdotes

Revan knew large number of ancient force powers and since "deadly sight" is also an OLD Sith Power, so possibly Revan would have learned it. And asking for "proof" in case of Revan is not a good idea, since his information has not been even fully revealed yet. But he did knew a great deal of Dark Side Force Powers.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes, but didnt 2 other books stated that palpatine knew everything about the dark side? that he knew every technique? revan isnt even close. Yes he surpassed all by alot. What part of every technique do you not understand?

Why Revan is not close? because you say so?

He is damn close and Sidious did surpassed all but not by a lot.

Originally posted by Kadesh
i already agreed sid > revan, see the above

And that means that Revan is close.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Force storm can be generated in 1-2 seconds, as DE proved

So can Raven's.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Not when sidious has other abilities which are far faster like spear of midnight black, electro magnetic torpedo, force drain, crush,

Many Force Powers can be instantly generated and fired on enemies and Revan knows a good deal of them.

Originally posted by Kadesh
or prehaps i shall make a list
Force Grip
Force Chok
Force Crush
Force Lightning
Force Spark
Force Storm
Force Storm
Force Rage
Force Heal
Force Drain
Death Field
Force Slow
Force Affliction
Force Plague
Force Fear
Force Horror
Force Insanity
Force Destruction
Destruction Orb
Deadly Sight
Drain Knowledge
Force Field
Mind Control
Thought bomb
Force Scream
Spear of midnight black
Electromagnetic torpedo
Sith Alchemy
Torture by chagrin
Force Flight
Force Wound
Mechu-deru

You can make a list of force powers of Sidious because his information is complete. Revan also knew a good deal of force powers and some are:

- Knight Speed
- Master Speed
- Force Wave
- Force Push
- Force Whirlwind
- Force Drain
- Force Immunity
- Force Horror
- Force Insanity
- Force Shock
- Force Heal
- Force Jump
- Mind Control
- Thought Bomb
- Force Affliction
- Force Plague
- Force Lightening
- Force Lightening Storm
- Force Stun
- Force Wound
- Force Choke
- Force Kill
- Destroy Droid

And some additional deadly Sith Powers that have not been revealed yet, as mentioned in POD Novel.

Originally posted by Kadesh
He referred them to an army because of the number of them that were in the SF, again you fail to prove they all attacked him at once

I never said that they all attacked Revan at once. Don't make-up garbage statements. What I said that they attacked Revan in pairs and in the very first scene, 4 of them did attacked Revan from both sides.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um i also said 3 by 3 didnt i? and you confirmed it.

You first said that they attacked in one by one fashion.

Originally posted by Kadesh
See the above

Baseless arguement and thats it.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes but i have mentioned earlier in groups, you still fail to prove that they attacked him AS an army, as in every single one of them at once in one huge group as you claimed
The fight has begun when Revan entered Star Forge. And the Sith Forces were divided in to 3 categories.

- 1st category included a large number of special SF Battle Droids.
- 2nd category included many squads of Dark Jedi and Sith Troopers.
- 3rd category was also of SF Battle Droids that were constantly being generated.

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear

1st Don't use that whole "Sidious is the strongest Sith" its an irrelevant argument here since Revan is a Jedi.

Revans most powerful feat is pushing back and feeding on a planet full of DS energy.

The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side. - The Chronicles

and drawing dark side energy from space and using it to over power and dominate the will of many many Jedi at once.

Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence. - The Chronicles

And as a Jedi, his power is in fact doubled, then he regains his old memories of all his old Sith knowledge and former lightside mastery. Revan was extremely powerful, I think he could in fact hang with DE Sidious but after a hard fought duel, Revan would possibly lose. But in no way would Revan get WTFPwned like you all are trying to make it out to be.

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear

And stop listing powers, it not only looks stupid but most of the powers you all have down are RPG expansions of each other for example: Force Slow - Force Affliction - Force Plague.

Darth_Glentract The Truest Sith Lord
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
1st Don't use that whole "Sidious is the strongest Sith" its an irrelevant argument here since Revan is a Jedi.

Ahh, I was waiting for someone to bring this up. The thing is that it only servers to weaken your position significantly. Why? Because Yoda is the strongest Jedi to have ever lived up until ROTS and for even a significant period of time afterwards (see NEGtChrono).

1. Yoda is the strongest Jedi to have ever lived up until Luke and his NJO passe came around.

2. Since you claim that Revan was a Jedi, he is automatically weaker than Yoda, as he lived befor him.

3. Yoda is significantly weaker than DE Sidious. This means that Revan is automatically weaker as well.

So you really just shot yourself in the foot by claiming that Revan is a Jedi, as the bar for Jedi is a LOT lower than the bar for Sith.

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan knew large number of ancient force powers and since "deadly sight" is also an OLD Sith Power, so possibly Revan would have learned it. And asking for "proof" in case of Revan is not a good idea, since his information has not been even fully revealed yet. But he did knew a great deal of Dark Side Force Powers.
That is not solid enough, PROVE IT, its time to prove up or shut up that he knows that ability
You damm well better show me a quote, phrase,statement from any where that he knew that ability, stop giving anecdotes. By the way, lying fanboys cant save revan this time
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Why Revan is not close? because you say so?

He is damn close and Sidious did surpassed all but not by a lot.

No he is not, sources stated he surpassed other sith lords BY ALOT and revan isnt close, trust me
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And that means that Revan is close.
No hes not

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Many Force Powers can be instantly generated and fired on enemies and Revan knows a good deal of them.
So? sidious would toy with revan with his abilities, look at his force lightning for example, the sheer power behind it
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You can make a list of force powers of Sidious because his information is complete. Revan also knew a good deal of force powers and some are:

- Knight Speed
- Master Speed
- Force Wave
- Force Push
- Force Whirlwind
- Force Drain
- Force Immunity
- Force Horror
- Force Insanity
- Force Shock
- Force Heal
- Force Jump
- Mind Control
- Thought Bomb
- Force Affliction
- Force Plague
- Force Lightening
- Force Lightening Storm
- Force Stun
- Force Wound
- Force Choke
- Force Kill
- Destroy Droid

And some additional deadly Sith Powers that have not been revealed yet, as mentioned in POD Novel.

You are such a n00b, First of all revan does not have some of those powers canocically because its from gameplay and thus are not canon and sidious does because sources stated he knew all techniques
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I never said that they all attacked Revan at once. Don't make-up garbage statements. What I said that they attacked Revan in pairs and in the very first scene, 4 of them did attacked Revan from both sides.
Yes you did, stop contradicting yourself, First you said a whole group of them attacked him, now you say they come 3 by 3.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You first said that they attacked in one by one fashion.
It was later on that i said 3 by 3 and you confirmed it
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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Baseless arguement and thats it.
You are the only one making baseless claims here, You claim revan knows powers and good thing you made a list, because nwo it is refuted because those gameplay powers are not canon
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

The fight has begun when Revan entered Star Forge. And the Sith Forces were divided in to 3 categories.

- 1st category included a large number of special SF Battle Droids.
- 2nd category included many squads of Dark Jedi and Sith Troopers.
- 3rd category was also of SF Battle Droids that were constantly being generated.

But they did not attack all at once as you claimed they did

Kadesh Restricted

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Ahh, I was waiting for someone to bring this up. The thing is that it only servers to weaken your position significantly. Why? Because Yoda is the strongest Jedi to have ever lived up until ROTS and for even a significant period of time afterwards (see NEGtChrono).

1. Yoda is the strongest Jedi to have ever lived up until Luke and his NJO passe came around.

2. Since you claim that Revan was a Jedi, he is automatically weaker than Yoda, as he lived befor him.

3. Yoda is significantly weaker than DE Sidious. This means that Revan is automatically weaker as well.

So you really just shot yourself in the foot by claiming that Revan is a Jedi, as the bar for Jedi is a LOT lower than the bar for Sith.

Exactly, s_w_legend is just showing fanboyism without proving anything

anyways ill be gone for 4 days overseas, dont expect a reply yet to any of your arguements

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Ahh, I was waiting for someone to bring this up. The thing is that it only servers to weaken your position significantly. Why? Because Yoda is the strongest Jedi to have ever lived up until ROTS and for even a significant period of time afterwards (see NEGtChrono).

1. Yoda is the strongest Jedi to have ever lived up until Luke and his NJO passe came around.

2. Since you claim that Revan was a Jedi, he is automatically weaker than Yoda, as he lived befor him.

3. Yoda is significantly weaker than DE Sidious. This means that Revan is automatically weaker as well.

So you really just shot yourself in the foot by claiming that Revan is a Jedi, as the bar for Jedi is a LOT lower than the bar for Sith.

A. You seem to be under the impression that Im taking Revan's side.

B. Had you actually read my post, I said that Revan would lose, so I don't see what "arguement is shot in the foot" since you know: I didn't make one. I was pointing out things wrong/irrelevant/pointless in this topic. And Sidious's little quote is irrelevant and pointless in this case.

C. Yoda is not SIGNIFIGANTLY weaker then DE Sidious, Yoda is still on par with him, since DE Luke is not the most powerful Jedi ever, and he with the aid of Liea was able to beat Sidious, and considering how Yoda disarmed Sidious in the lightsaber portion of the duel (script) and they basically tied in the force. In anther duel I'd say the lightsaber portion would go exactly the same, and Sidous would win a force battle if he can keep his distance and stop Yoda from hacking his head off. But there would be NO WTFpwnage on Palpys part.

D. Now Revan who i believe is on par with Yoda would likely have the same outcome.

E. The bar for the Jedi is lower!? You do realize this is YODA were talking about dont you? I'd very much so wadger that there are NO other Sith Lords that could contend with Yoda EXCEPT for Sidious, so what are you talking about?

xxXAcStylesXxx Papa Bear

And they do attack all at once, you enter a new room and the entire group of about 10 people rush you at once.

Kadesh Restricted

Not really, when i played it that time the sith came 3 by 3, if we didnt kill them fast enough then another trio would come, They didnt all come as one as legend claimed. But yes that is pretty remarkable for revan and his pt to fight so many dark jedi.

But for the droids, canonically in star wars one hit of the lightssaber and they are dead

damm where is lightsnake when we need him

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
That is not solid enough, PROVE IT, its time to prove up or shut up that he knows that ability
You damm well better show me a quote, phrase,statement from any where that he knew that ability, stop giving anecdotes. By the way, lying fanboys cant save revan this time

I don't need to because I used the word "possibly", when making this assumption. And this means that he might have learned it or he might have not.

Originally posted by Kadesh
No he is not, sources stated he surpassed other sith lords BY ALOT and revan isnt close, trust me

Revan is close. Trust me!

Originally posted by Kadesh
No hes not

Yes! he is. Their is a difference between word "close" and "very close". Revan may not be very close to Sidious but he is close. Get this logic in your thick skull.

Originally posted by Kadesh
So? sidious would toy with revan with his abilities, look at his force lightning for example, the sheer power behind it

Wow! you don't get tired of making garbage statements? do you?

Revan's lightening was also very powerful just like that of Sidious. Noob!

Originally posted by Kadesh
You are such a n00b, First of all revan does not have some of those powers canocically because its from gameplay and thus are not canon and sidious does because sources stated he knew all techniques

Noobs like you will never understand the meaning of term "Common Sense". Those Force Powers were mentioned in KOTOR game for a reason and that means that Jedi and Sith of KOTOR time period learned and used those Force Powers. And the force powers that Malak demonstrated in KOTOR game are fully canon and he was once an apprentice of Revan himself, so Revan knew all those Force Powers (that Malak knew) and since Revan had more knowledge of the Force, so he knew some additional Force Powers that even Malak never knew. So, get this logic in you thick skull now.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Yes you did, stop contradicting yourself, First you said a whole group of them attacked him, now you say they come 3 by 3.

I never contradicted my self. Your Noobish approach to things is making this debate worse. I said that those Sith Forces were "over-whelming" in the sense that they were very large in number and Revan had to constantly fight waves after waves of them throughout on Star Forge. And I never said that all of those "Sith Forces" attacked Revan at once.

Originally posted by Kadesh
It was later on that i said 3 by 3 and you confirmed it You are the only one making baseless claims here, You claim revan knows powers and good thing you made a list, because nwo it is refuted because those gameplay powers are not canon

Those gameplay powers also include the list of those force powers that are fully canon. Need I point out those?

Actually "Game Mechanics (feats)" are not canon but "Force Powers" are canon.

Originally posted by Kadesh
But they did not attack all at once as you claimed they did
I never said that entire Sith army attacked Revan all by once. Stop making baseless claims.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Kadesh
Exactly, s_w_legend is just showing fanboyism without proving anything

anyways ill be gone for 4 days overseas, dont expect a reply yet to any of your arguements


I use "knowledge" and "reasoning" in my arguements, which you seem to lack.

And you better don't use the word "exactly" because Darth_Glentract's supposition is also wrong.

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
A. You seem to be under the impression that Im taking Revan's side.

B. Had you actually read my post, I said that Revan would lose, so I don't see what "arguement is shot in the foot" since you know: I didn't make one. I was pointing out things wrong/irrelevant/pointless in this topic. And Sidious's little quote is irrelevant and pointless in this case.

C. Yoda is not SIGNIFIGANTLY weaker then DE Sidious, Yoda is still on par with him, since DE Luke is not the most powerful Jedi ever, and he with the aid of Liea was able to beat Sidious, and considering how Yoda disarmed Sidious in the lightsaber portion of the duel (script) and they basically tied in the force. In anther duel I'd say the lightsaber portion would go exactly the same, and Sidous would win a force battle if he can keep his distance and stop Yoda from hacking his head off. But there would be NO WTFpwnage on Palpys part.

D. Now Revan who i believe is on par with Yoda would likely have the same outcome.

E. The bar for the Jedi is lower!? You do realize this is YODA were talking about dont you? I'd very much so wadger that there are NO other Sith Lords that could contend with Yoda EXCEPT for Sidious, so what are you talking about?

I think your getting mixed up. ROTS Sidious (whom your referring to in most of this) isn't even in the same league as his DE counterpart. In terms of lightsaber prowess (at least speed) and force power, DE Sidious is heads and shoulders above his ROTS self. So half your argument falls out the window because your referring to the wrong incarnation of Sidious.