Revan vs DE sidious

Originally posted by The Planet
Do you even know what quantify and substantiate mean? LOL, I didn't ask you to name a source.

Originally posted by The Planet

That's not in there either, LOL! And even so, mastering the dark side of the force /= mastering every single darkside technique.

Dont have to lie nebaris, i read that book damm clearly, you do not have that book do you? The exact quote is "He mastered all known, unknown force powers and invents new ones at his pleasure"

Dont have to lie nebaris, i read that book damm clearly, you do not have that book do you? The exact quote is "He mastered all known, unknown force powers and invents new ones at his pleasure"

LMFAO!!
Nice misquote, thanks for proving that you're talking crap. The actual quote is 'It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers and devises new ones at his pleasure'. Seriously dude...

But what differece does it make when im proving it to you?

I asked you to explain just exactly what 'tearing the fabric of space and time' entails, and to quantify just exactly how much power is needed to do so. Naming a source doesn't quite work for me.

Originally posted by The Planet
LMFAO!!
Nice misquote, thanks for proving that you're talking crap. The actual quote is '[b]It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers and devises new ones at his pleasure'. Seriously dude...[/B]

Originally posted by The Planet

I asked you to explain just exactly what 'tearing the fabric of space and time' entails, and to quantify just exactly how much power is needed to do so. Naming a source doesn't quite work for me.

ok you want me to pull the quote here it is

(Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure)

There are other sources which states he mastered every aspect of the force according to lightsnake, that one i will have to check. He problably pulled that one from the dark empire handbook

Originally posted by Gideon
Lol, AC, I wasn't aware that Jedi training augmented one's eyesight.

Well yes it can, aptitude and training in the force can augment the eyesight of an individual, making it stronger, being able to see things moving faster then the normal person could see.

Example. #1 Kreia, willfully destroyed her eyes so she could only make out basic shapes and such with the force, she said how she could restore her former vision if she choose

Example #2 Jolee tells a story on how on old master was going blind how he could restore his eyes and make them better but in his stubbornness he choose not to.

And theoretically(not even that since its been done so many times) the force can be used to enhance a force users physical and mental attributes in every way, that includes vision, Now if Liea who had as I 've said been a Jedi for like 3 seconds would logically not be able to follow the movements of force users of the level of Luke and Sidious in battle.

And really lets use logic, if it their eyesight wasn't increased how could Sidious and Luke follow each others movements in battle and be able to fight effectively? The would just be randomly flailing at each other like idiots.

As I said a sad argument, I expect more out of you then that...

Wow, can I say QED!

Touche, Ac.

Sidious takes this. As Lightsnake has shown (and I reluctantly admit) DE Sidious is the strongest Darksider around.

Agreed, though it's not as close as JJ (

Spoiler:
you know who you are!

Actually, Nebby, it looks like Sidious has this one pretty easily. Force shield isn't a set technique with set results. It varies on the power of the user. As I was going to say, but you already did (good job dicking over your argument):

Originally posted by The Planet
[quote]As I said, it can block TK, grip is an example of TK. In fact, when Bane grips Quordis, Quordis attempts to block it with a shield, but Bane's attack just tears through it - the point is, he believed that he would be able to defend himself with a shield.

Sidious' force skills are far above Revans', as is his connection to the force. He would rip through Revans defences, if need be with simple attacks, or use a lesser known force attack that Revan wouldn't know about or have a defence for. Sidious any time, every time.

Actually, Nebby, it looks like Sidious has this one pretty easily. Force shield isn't a set technique with set results. It varies on the power of the user. As I was going to say, but you already did (good job dicking over your argument):

I never argued against that dummy, I was just providing a perfectly valid defence.

Sidious' force skills are far above Revans',

Far? Care to provide proof.

as is his connection to the force.

Care to provide proof, while Sidious likely has a pretty good connection, his knowledge is what makes him as great as he is, I'm afraid you're gonna have to provide more proof. And wasn't Luke's potential something like double Sidious'? Can't be too great.

He would rip through Revans defences, if need be with simple attacks, or use a lesser known force attack that Revan wouldn't know about or have a defence for. Sidious any time, every time.

Most probably, but not easily. Need I remind you that there have been plenty of times in SW where an opponent weaker in the force has defended himself against the force attacks of a stronger opponent.

Sure there have...

But in a versus fight, the one with the stronger force and lightsaber abilities is usually dubbed the victor...

And when those abilities far surpass the opponents, it's usually regarded as easy for the more powerful person...

Far? Care to provide proof

Let's see. The strongest thing Revan has ever done is what, killing a few Rakata. Sidious, on the otherhand, has enough power to destroy CAPITAL STARSHIPS. Capital ships are capable of turning the surfaces of planets into slag, yet he took many of them out.

And not to forget, obliterated a battalion Stormtroopers using Force lightning, pre-DE, and actually pre-OT (1 BBY, to be exact), too:

Given I'm not sure how many Rakatans Revan killed (as Nai had said it was a "scouting party", how many are inclusive of that?), I'd assume this is, at the least, equal to what Revan did, as I doubt that's Sidious' upper limit - even at that point of his power - due to the nonchalant attitude displayed beforehand (casually continuing to drink water while not even paying attention). And since then, he's become more powerful by DE.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Let's see. The strongest thing Revan has ever done is what, killing a few Rakata. Sidious, on the otherhand, has enough power to destroy CAPITAL STARSHIPS. Capital ships are capable of turning the surfaces of planets into slag, yet he took many of them out.

Revan's biggest display of power is not known yet, as not much is known about him and his complete history remains to be revealed.

But from what we know, his biggest display of power was on Star Forge. Their he had to fight against huge number of Sith Warriors, Dark Jedi and powerful Droids and he defeated them all.

Now, how he defeated such "overwhelming enemy forces" is not known yet but common sense suggests that he (Revan) has to be a very powerful force user and an excellent swords-man to achieve victory against so many enemies.

Revan was with his party members so i wouldnt count that.
And palpatine has demonstrated far more impressive abilities.

He could kill revan by just looking at him, "deadly sight"
And palpatine by DE has learnt this since he mastered every aspect of the dark side of the force as several sources pointed it out.

so... who voted for revan?

Originally posted by Kadesh
Revan was with his party members so i wouldnt count that.
And palpatine has demonstrated far more impressive abilities.

He could kill revan by just looking at him, "deadly sight"
And palpatine by DE has learnt this since he mastered every aspect of the dark side of the force as several sources pointed it out.

so... who voted for revan?

Revan's party members were heavily out-numbered on Star Forge and they stood no chance against the Sith forces without help from Revan.

Remember that when Revan destroyed the squad of powerful Star Forge Battle Droids, Malak's commander immediately informed him of defeat of SF Battle Droids and Malak was surprised but when his commander informed him of Revan's presense, then Malak himself gave credit to Revan by saying that "Revan was always strong in the force".

Here is good profile on Revan: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24266711&union_id=2511

And these lines are in the profile: "Aboard the Star Forge, Revan almost single-handedly defeated an entire army of Sith and Dark Jedi, a testament to his power in the Force and mastery of lightsaber combat."

And provide me proof that Sidious can kill Revan with just his "deadly-sight". Because if his "deadly-sight" was so powerful then he would have killed Luke Skywalker with it.

Um luke skywalker read his books and learnt UNDER sidious during DE so he would know how to counter "deadly sight"
And i would say sidious would not use that during battle, He has got so many other force powers over revan and have far more deadly force powers, by the way, sidious knows every technique that revan knew, including the thought bomb

Again theres "spear of midnight black" which revan would not expect.

And by the way, sidious destroyed an entire room of storm troopers with just 1 shot of lighting, and we are talking about dozens of storm troopers, By the way, the sith didnt all come as an army on revan, they all came individually

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
[b]Far? Care to provide proof

Let's see. The strongest thing Revan has ever done is what, killing a few Rakata. Sidious, on the otherhand, has enough power to destroy CAPITAL STARSHIPS. Capital ships are capable of turning the surfaces of planets into slag, yet he took many of them out. [/B]

An army, Glen. And this was before KotOR.

so? palpatine destroyed an entire fleet in space and killed a platoon of troopers in his office with 1 shot of lightning