Marvel Universe: THE END Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Death was Outside the influence of Space and Time.

Oblivion I'm sure enjoyed the show.

It's in Oblivion's interest for Thanos to make everything a Void.

Oblivion is the Void.[/b/

so you think thanos's power spread through this 'void' without touching anything within it then reached all the other little blue balls . . .?

oblivion would be the ultimate threat. it also seems you are talking about an oblivion that is devouring the MULTIVERSE. oblivion is a corner in the eternity square -- a peer of death infinity and eternity, but he is trying to devour the multiverse? not unless you're saying there is now a multi-oblivion . . .

again, that's the problem with over-complicating things. things need to become MORE complex to explain them.

You're confused cause your picturing the Multiverse like a long line, with Universe after Universe standing like dominos.

But in fact this is how it's shaped:

Atleza's Realm is Outside of Time & Space aswell.

Step Outside ONE Sphere and your beyond Space and Time, regardless of whether your towards the top or bottom of this Vortex.

but now you've changed you question somewhat. you said to prove to you there remained a threat within the universe. oblivion is a threat, one that even by YOUR definition STILL remained. your also saying that somehow, depsite his all-consuming rage, he directed his 'supreme power' to skip over all the places inbetween universes, and the void itself? you are limiting the extent of his power, saying on the one hand that he was mad enough to absorb the multiverse, yet in control enough to have his power skip across the void and all things within it? sorry mon ami, that doesn't add up for me. 🙁 this also implies that the void was beyond his power to affect (and so was oblivion). again, that doesn't work. my explanation is simple -- he absorbed a universe, so of course the void and those place outside the universes remained. nice and tidy.

Beyond the Universe would be the same, No time, no Space, No death.

so how can death exist OUTSIDE it? 😕

Incorrect, that was Universal Death.

beyonder only killed a universal incarnation of death? 😕

Thanos ONLY absorbed Time & Space:

now you're redefining the 'all' that thanos absorbed. let's assume you're right for moment -- then why isn't thanos left floating in the only thing that remained -- the void? he's in some blackness. but we saw the void. it wasn't black. so if he absorbed everything now XCEPT the void, THAT should be the only thing left -- and those little place that exist in the void that thanos's power skipped past. 🙂

By your theory Universal Death should have been absorbed just aswell.

You're funny.

and cute. 😄 but i'd explained this. death could simply have left the universe BEFORE thanos absorbed it. perhaps entered a differnt universe? perhaps entered one of our controversial virgin-type universes that the entity hid in? or maybe death DID step into the void beyond the limits of the universe -- imo that would have saved death as well because thanos ONLY absorbed the universe, after all. 😉

Multi-Death has to die if you absorb the Multiverse,

but Universal Death survives if you absorb the Universe? dontgetit

of course. absorbing the multiverse means absorbing EVERYTHING. no place left for anyone to go. EVERYTHING gets absorbed. absorbing a universe implies LOTS of places left to go.

and now that i think about it: in that korvac what if, korvac even URGED the abstracts to leave the universe to avoid being locked into that universe. the entity left the universe.

so no reason why universal death couldn't have left to avoid being absorbed by thanos.

Anything OUTSIDE of Time and Space SURVIVED Thanos's absorption. 🙂

i need proof, incontrovertible proof before i believe that atleza's realm -- or any realm is OUTSIDE teh multiverse. that would imply outside lt's jurisdiction, beyond his power or influence. do you believe that is the case?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Vishanti could care less about the demise of Eternity

but they DO bow to the will of lt and they do protect the multiverse. if thanos was such a threat there's no reason they might not choose to act.

don't forget your question: who MIGHT threaten him, however minimally. after all, the group who attacked his wasn't really a threat either.

Mephisto was absorbed.

didn't see that . . .

Satannish exists in a Pocket Realm outside 616

and Dormmamu's Dark Dimension is a Universe unto itself.

both of their respective worlds exist within '616/universal' eternity. why would you say their realms are different from where mephisto's exists?

of course, that's why i say 616 eternity is ALSO a multiverse.

HEY, PERSONAL EPIPHANY: if THAT's the case, if you view 616 eternity as a multiverse, then you've been right all along! 😂 of course, so have i. that's a SUPERB compromise!

😖mart:

Nightmare? 😂

he DID briefly imprison eternity though eternity (a notoriuos liar . . .? 😖hifty: ) later said he could have escaped when he chose . . .

either way, he's powerful and working together with the others . . . even thanos dreams . . .

If they gathered ALL of Strange's Artifacts like Strange did against Warlock,they would get stomped just like Strange got Stomped

perhaps, but dormmamu is a lot more personally powerful than strange. if HE is using all of them it might be an issue. and don't forget -- these are all POTENTIAL threats that he could easily eliminate by absorbing ALL of eternity and the universe. why bother wanting to run the risk when it is so much easier to simply absorb the universe and be done with it?

despite your protestations they all COULD be potential threats. hell, lt actually gathered the friggin HEROES to fight for him! if thanos somehow viewed that first assault as a form of threat THESE guys could certainly be seen as potential threats.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Kubik = pocket dimension Warper

Shaper of Worlds = Global Warper

No other Cubes.

They would have to go to other Universes to find them,

again giving Thanos a reason to absorb the Multiverse.

you still say those other cubes came from other universes. i say they were found in dimensions within 616 eternity. there's a fundamental disagreement there. 🙁 by my theory, those cubes COULD be found again and used against him.

Without getting their hands on them, nothing.

What remaining Cosmic anyway?

They were all absorbed.

you know as a fact that all remaining cubes were absorbed . . .?

Who never interfere and were wiped out anyway before this arc.

watchers have interferred a number of times -- there are many rogues. and to save the universe? who knows. again, we're looking at POTENTIAL threats that could be EASILY eliminated by absorbing them all.

wy bother absorbing the universe was your question. i've given loads of reasons. 🙂

The End: took place in 2003.

HOM where Jaspers' resurfaced was in 2005.

omnipotence could easily tell him of threats that may YET exist against him. 🙂 he could have sensed all potential threats.

Tyrant was destroyed before this.

that's right -- i'd forgotten about the nullifier instance.

The Un-being would love for the Universe to be destroyed.

that's not the point -- the point is who was out there and who might thanos have perceived as a POSSIBLE threat. who had the power or knowledge to POSSIBLY challenge him.

i'm giving you those. you're pushing them aside, but you can't say they wouldn't COLLECTIVELY, no-pis involved, be a potential threat to his reign.

I haven't seen Sisneg in a Comic since the early 80's

irrelevent as he DOES exist. i'm sure if i actually looked through some books there would be other one-hit wonders who still exist. scried, for instance, and the threat ss and scrier faced. the tetrarchs.

imagine if death REALLY wanted to wage war -- all of the dead characters in marvel history would be at its beck and call. an ENORMOUS army of undead. and legions of the unliving HAVE been called back before, and even korvac was among them.

owen Reece is a passive individual, living an incognito life, the last thing on his mind if Thanos, we've only seen all powerful Molecule Man once, and he only hates the Beyonder.

Thanos was definitely NOT threatened by him.

who once fed up, challenged the BEYONDER.

POTENTIAL threats . . . POSSIBLE challenges to thanos's reign . . .

you cannot deny all these forces aligned against him COULD be viewed as a threat.

ALL outside the 616 Universe.

agreed, the corps IS outside the 616. but even absorbing the MULTIVERSE as you say, would NOT have eliminated them because they are OMNIVERSAL. so even if he absorbed the multiverse, as you claim, threats WITHIN time and space would STILL exist. the only way to deal with that is to say he absorbed the OMNIVERESE, which you are not or have not said.

but if they still exist within time and space, then thanos was wrong in what he said. OR he DID absorb the omniverse. again, the problem with over-complicating things.

There are NO Other Eternity's Outside the Multiverse.

😕

proof? why would you say that other universes, in OTHER multiverses (which compromise the omniverse according to you, i think) would NOT have a sentient life force to drive them?

The Prime hierarchy exist only in the Multiverse.

"Realms LACKING this Hierarchy of Power are OUTSIDE the Multiverse"

not sure what this proves . . . 😕 seems to say 616/universal eternity IS a multiverse since eternity comprises MORE than just the earth universe. which is what i've said all along. 😄 and again, if THAT'S the case, then i am in total agreement -- thanos DID absorb the multiverse i still see no reason why thanos stopped at YOUR definition of multiverse. threats DID exist still within the omniverse or megaverses so clearly he was wrong when he said he eliminated all threats.

You haven't named one viable threat.

😂 okay.

Unfortunately, the Gems were in the Rune Universe.

and easily retrieveable by entities of this level.

You wasn't successful but I can't say the attempt wasn't valiant swank

says you. 😉

okay, so if it was the multiverse (your definition of the multiverse) answer me these questions:

why did thanos's power simply 'skip through' the void? why did it skip over the places that exist WITHIN the void like atleza's world where time DOES exist. obviously time exists WITHIN atleza's world, as does space, so why wouldn't time and space WITHIN that world have been wiped out? both atleza's world and universes 'float' inside the void. why did thanos arbitrarily stop at just the multiverse? toaa's power should have extended throughout ALL of creation -- ie -- the omniverse.

in saying he eliminated ALL threats, he was wrong. the omniversal council would STILL have been a threat. other versions of lt ALSO exist in the omniverse so even absorbing one version of lt wouldn't have ended lt's threat.

you also say that marvel is an OMNIVERSE, but in this case, you're saying marvel is a MULTIVERSE. contradiction . . .? especially when NEITHER is ever mentioned in the series. so why CHOOSE to say in this case marvel universe 'means' mulitverse, but NOT omniverse?

where WAS thanos in the end, after absorbing everything EXCEPT the void and the worlds somehow immune to his power that (like universes) floated within the void. (of course, you realize that all the universes ALSO exist within the void, they float around in the void like the little pocket places . . .?)

can YOU answer MY questions . . .? 😄

*hosts an abstract-level tourney for leo and Master*

🙄

Originally posted by DigiMark007
*hosts an abstract-level tourney for leo and Master*

🙄

😂

so where you falling out on the issues at hand, digi?

😄

oh, and i notice mm didn't refute the nullifier as a threat, or meggan. i neglected to mention khatylis and remembered after i mentioned one-shot cosmics. i know there are plenty of others i could come up with but i just don't feel like looking.

😄

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and i notice mm didn't refute the nullifier as a threat, or meggan. i neglected to mention khatylis and remembered after i mentioned one-shot cosmics. i know there are plenty of others i could come up with but i just don't feel like looking.

Meggan was addressed ( I must've not posted it)

I told you she's in OTHERWORLD, a Universe outside the 616 Universe.

(Thanos would have to Absorb OTHER UNIVERSES to reach her)

Since it's been speculation away for this whole page, I'll say,

If the UN was going to help, why didn't the guy who's closest to it bring it? hm

You still haven't mentioned ONE viable threat, you simply speculated against all the facts I posted that countered every other "potential" threat of the Universe.

Since you did that, I'm formulating the On Panel proof now, to show you that your characters are NOT threats, most of which aren't even in the 616 Universe, the ONE Universe you want it to be.

I tell you Dormammu's Universe is outside 616, and you reply with,

"why would you say Dormammu it's outside 616? Oh is it because the 616 Universe is a Multiverse, that's what I've always said, glad we could agree"

dontgetit

One example,

you'll be seeing PROOF for everything now, I see words aren't enough. 🙂

I'll be back in a while with it all.

You two aren't making it easy to keep up with the argument...

Originally posted by leonidas
now it's omniverse . . .? that's the problem with making things more complicated than they NEED to be. how do the complications get resolved? but EXPANDING the complexity. saying it was simply a universe keeps things a lot simpler.

I think you're the one philosophizing, I never said Thanos absorbed the Omniverse.

I always said Thanos absorbed the Multiverse.

The Universal Flaw would eventually spread to ALL of Marvel, that why I mentioned the Omniverse, but perhaps Thanos meant "Death in the Multiverse, instead, it still doesn't take away from Thanos absorbing the Multiverse.

Wonderman was the beginning of a chain of events that lead to a Universal Malady that would SPREAD to the rest of Reality (ALL of Marvel)

Because of WonderMan's resurrection, along with the countless OTHERS that have been Resurrected AFTER WonderMan, the Universe grew an irreparable FLAW.

This FLAW began at a Universal level, but was destined to SPREAD to the rest of Marvel. (Official Bio backs up the On Panel evidence)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"The Resurrection of Heroes starting with WonderMan ... this set askew the equlibrium between Life & Death, This FLAW would SPREAD to shatter ALL Reality"

Hence:

"for in the Absence of Life there can be No Death"

Death doesn't cease to be because ONE Universe dies.

In Fact, Death Profits from the Universe dying.

"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.

By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"

Originally posted by leonidas
actually i thought it WAS pretty sensical. why run the risk of being COMPLETELY obliterated when he know doubt knew what was coming for thanos later? either way he'd have known regardless of his power, that he could not win. if he uses SOME power he makes his point and if the body is destroyed, no harm done. to use ALL his power and be destroyed . . . when lt and the others are planning an assault makes no sense.

your only alternative to this scenario is to say:

eternity could muster power enough only to destroy a PLANET, or to say thanos absorbed a 'little' of the attack but didn't bother to absorb enough of it to save the hq and planet he was fond of. problem with that is it was never mentioned at all that that happened. i just try to rationalize why eternity's on-panel attack wasn't very strong. we're BOTH speculating. you prefer your opinion, i like mine.

I don't believe I'm speculating, I'm confident in my understanding concerning M-bodys.

There's NO proof of any kind that supports the idea that Eternity or any other Abstract manifests in "Weaker" M-bodys.

There's only proof, that M-bodys manifest in the FULL Power of the Concept:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm

"Anthropomorpho can assume a Physical Form for Non-Physical or ABSTRACT Beings.

These FORMS (M-bodys) have ACCESS to the FULL POWER of the Original Being"

On top of that, when Eternity appeared before Thanos says,

"For the Personification of ALL TIME, Eternity"

How can Eternity Personify ALL of Time, and not be Full Power?

Originally posted by leonidas
exactly. but anomaly was NOT "killed" either.

Maelstrom killed the Sentience of the Concept Anomaly by killing the M-body, which was the totality of the Sentience and it's Life-Force = Concept.

The Concept remained and Maelstrom usurped it's Position and Life-Force.

Concept = Position and Power

Sentience = any Entity that's powerful enough to handle it.

Originally posted by leonidas
its position was usurped by a superior force. it's mbody was killed. the concept remained.

The Concept remained but the Sentience was killed On Panel.

Where that Sentience went exactly, no one knows, Maelstrom SAID to Oblivion but was it so?

(Maelstrom killed Anomaly BEFORE he became Oblivion's Agent)

Could it have been a figure of speech?

I don't know.

What we do know for sure is the Prior Sentience of the Anomaly killed or not, became obsolete, cause Maelstrom did indeed become the New Anomaly On Panel.

When Quasar tries to explain it away by saying in #37

"must've been just an M-body"

The phrase itself "must've been" is one of uncertainty,

but further disproved in Quasar #20 - 23 where Maelstrom is acknowledged as the New Anomaly by Oblivion amongst Other Abstracts, manifesting the Anomaly's FULL Powers and all.

In the Bio his Survival of the IG attack by Thanos is attributed to his Anomaly status, merged with the rest.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/maelstrom.htm

Quasar was talking out his ass.

He's making that Anomaly M-body Maelstrom killed seem meaningless when in fact it made Maelstrom the FULL Powered Anomaly.

Originally posted by leonidas
had thanos tossed eternity's mbody into oblivion, the mbody would be gone, eternity's position would be forfeit UNTIL thanos was beaten than a new mbody would have reformed and eternity would have taken back its rightful place. anamoly was just waiting in abstract form (the form that is its NATURAL state) for a chance t take back its position.

exactly the same as eternity did.

I disagree big time.

How the heck was the Anomaly waiting in Abstract form, when Maelstrom was the Abstract Form? eer

And you have absolutely NO proof concerning your speculation involving Eternity, that's a different case all together.

Thanos didn't kill Eternity, he placed Eternity's Sentience in suspended animation:

You said the Totality of the Universe can't manifest within an M-body INSIDE the Universe, well ...

HOW did Thanos become the Actual TOTALITY of the Universe by replacing this M-body that confronted Thanos WITHIN the Universe? hum

Is this outside the Universe?

I think not.

Thanos transfers the Life-Force of the Eternity M-body (which is INSIDE the Universe) into himself and becomes the Actual ENITRE Universe.

"Thanos has now USURPED Eternity's rightful position,

as the CENTER of ALL REALITY"

I never realized this event proved my case entirely,

sometimes the answers are right in front of us.

It should end right here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Meggan was addressed ( I must've not posted it)

I told you she's in OTHERWORLD, a Universe outside the 616 Universe.

(Thanos would have to Absorb OTHER UNIVERSES to reach her)

Since it's been speculation away for this whole page, I'll say,

If the UN was going to help, why didn't the guy who's closest to it bring it? hm

You still haven't mentioned ONE viable threat, you simply speculated against all the facts I posted that countered every other "potential" threat of the Universe.

Since you did that, I'm formulating the On Panel proof now, to show you that your characters are NOT threats, most of which aren't even in the 616 Universe, the ONE Universe you want it to be.

I tell you Dormammu's Universe is outside 616, and you reply with,

"why would you say Dormammu it's outside 616? Oh is it because the 616 Universe is a Multiverse, that's what I've always said, glad we could agree"

dontgetit

One example,

you'll be seeing PROOF for everything now, I see words aren't enough. 🙂

I'll be back in a while with it all.

your mistaking potential threat for viable threat.

there IS no 'viable' threat, there are only potential threats, possible problems that 'MIGHT' (thanos's words) arise.

and why didn't galactus bring the un to help against aegis and tenebrous? he almost NEVER brings it. doesn't mean it couldn't possibly come into play later on.

meh, you'll keep trying to prove NO ONE is a threat -- you're right -- no one WAS a threat. even even lt fell, well . . . 😬

however, that wasn't the question. given the nature and power of those LEFT in the universe, do you think they would have collectively bowed and simply served thanos faithfully? of course not. they would have schemed and planned and probably failed -- though given thanos's history with all-power, who knows . . . had he NOT absorbed the universe, there WOULD have been beings still left behind who may have challenged him. i never said (nor did you specify) that they would beat him. but they would ceratinly challenge him. thanos would know that, and why bother with even the microscopic chance they might beat him when all he had to do was absorb the universe as he did?

anyway, a slight tactic change. again, you say it was the multiverse that was remade. however, there was no need to remake the entire multiverse. not all the universes in the multiverse suffered this instability, so not all of them NEEDED repair.

what did thanos need to fix?

so, wm died and a cosmic entity (ridiculous plot device . . .) brought him back to life not once but twice. it was wm's death and resurrection that set thanos's universe out of whack (that universe where the END happened is officially named Earth-4321 in the alternate universes handbook and duplicated in your favourite website 😄 ) it also says SOME of the events in 4321 MAY be duplicated in 616 but the extent is unknown. of course, were the MULTIVERSE destroyed and remade there would be no DOUBT that also happened in 616 -- and everywhere else. 🙂 )

anyway, in at least ONE universe, wonderman did NOT die! as a result, there would have been no instability in that universe. so now with this supremem power, thanos is wiping out universes that do not NEED to be wiped out? in fact, that alternate wm DOES eventually die, but he is not resurrected. his brain patterns are recorded BEFORE he dies, and loaded into the vision where he goes on to live apparently forever. and what's more, dying and having his memories put into the vision somehow set RIGHT the cosmic balance.

so again, thanos is now destroying universes that have nothing WRONG with them? why bother trying to rationalize that when it makes perfect sense that it was simply an alternate universe that was destroyed. 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master
This FLAW began at a Universal level, but was destined to SPREAD to the rest of Marvel. (Official Bio backs up the On Panel evidence)

its hilarious we both posted those scans at the same time! 😂

anyway, i can agree with that. DESTINED to spread. not HAD spread. that makes things even EASIER. he corrected the problem before it spread everywhere by reamking his alternate universe.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree big time.

I never realized this event proved my case entirely,

sometimes the answers are right in front of us.

It should end right here.

to me this is very easy to rationalize. it wouldn't matter where the sentience was housed. thanos had power to find it anywhere. so he fights the mbody, beats it and goes on to overpower the sentience. where? when everything turns white and makes a big hole in the universe. even watchers battle on multiple levels of reality. beyonder and the celetisals battled on multiple layers of reality. the fight between thanos and eternity was more than a physical slugfest, surely.

mbody overcome, then sentience, where ever it was housed.

simple as that for me.

eternity's sentience subborned by thanos.
anomaly's sentience subborned by malestrom.
thanos loses, eternity regains his place.
malestrom loses, anomaly regains his place.

both sentiences STILL existed, they were just overpowered. when the overpowering force was removed, they returned to their rightful positions. you can say quasar was speculating, but what he says makes perfect sense to me and what happened seems clear.

i know how vehemently you disagree, but, to me it really is that simple. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
to me this is very easy to rationalize. it wouldn't matter where the sentience was housed. thanos had power to find it anywhere. so he fights the mbody, beats it and goes on to overpower the sentience. where? when everything turns white and makes a big hole in the universe. even watchers battle on multiple levels of reality. beyonder and the celetisals battled on multiple layers of reality. the fight between thanos and eternity was more than a physical slugfest, surely.

mbody overcome, then sentience, where ever it was housed.

simple as that for me.

Well of course when you rationalize everything to fit the way you see it, I don't blame you for seeing it that way.

But without the speculation,

Thanos battles Eternity's M-body WITHIN the Universe,

Thanos defeats the M-body WITHIN the Universe,

Thanos Transfers the Power and Status of the M-body INTO Himself,

Thanos becomes the actual Living UNIVERSE!

AGAIN:

This is my new argument for this M-body "can't manifest Full Power" idea:

HOW did Thanos become the Actual TOTALITY of the Universe by replacing this M-body that confronted Thanos WITHIN the Universe? hum

Is this outside the Universe?

I think not.

Thanos transfers the Life-Force of the Eternity M-body (which is INSIDE the Universe) into himself and becomes the Actual ENITRE Universe.

"Thanos has now USURPED Eternity's rightful position,

as the CENTER of ALL REALITY"

It should end right here. swank

Originally posted by leonidas
its hilarious we both posted those scans at the same time! 😂

😂

Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, i can agree with that. DESTINED to spread. not HAD spread. that makes things even EASIER. he corrected the problem before it spread everywhere by reamking his alternate universe.

Actually that doesn't lead me to believe that at all.

Thanos was meant to Absorb the Multiverse, that's how TOAA wanted it.

Besides, in the end he absorbed more than he wanted to in his frenzy.

So you can't say Thanos absorbed a Universe cause it was a Universal Flaw.

Perhaps if he had not been in a Rage that would have been possible but instead ...

"Nothing Remained"

HI leo, i will have to read over this very long thread, and lend my analytical skills and render a judgement. from what I can tell, an M body is the representation that lessor beings can understand of the concept of an abstract being. This has always been marvel's stance on what an M-body is and was supposed to be. An M-body should never destroy the real Deal becuz the Real deal is something that cannot be conceptualized by anyone other than another abstract. Not even worlock and Dr. strange can fathom what the real eternity looks like. I'll read some more of the Thread and lend an opinion when I get more. Oh yeah one more thing, The heart of the Universe is Multiversal in power, but limited to one universe. That is my judgement. It is truly multiversal unlike the IG which is NOT a real multiversal power. Just thought I would throw that in there.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree big time.

How the heck was the Anomaly waiting in Abstract form, when Maelstrom was the Abstract Form? eer

i liken it to any time someone gets possessed or a mind is taken over. where does the possessed entity's mind go? it gets submerged beneath a more powerful force. when the force is gone, the original mind returns.

an abstract's NATURAL form is NOT an mbody. it only exists in a 'conceptual' way. it takes an mbody to interact with physical entities. even minor conceptual beings like mephisto (one of the concepts of "evil"😉 use mbodies. mephisto's mbody has been destroyed a few times, (i remember franklin thought he'd destroyed it IN HELL -- but even there (where the mbody was awesomely powerful) when that body was dstroyed mephisto reformed. (some cis as he reformed said someone/something stole some of his power before he totally reformed, but he still reformed his body) no one took over his position, his essence was not submerged. it was harmed because it was a powerful mbody, and destroying it required some time to reform, but his essence "always" remains.

And you have absolutely NO proof concerning your speculation involving Eternity, that's a different case all together.

says you! 😛

i've seen eternity's mbody destroyed and reform a couple panels later. (i know you think he's a liar -- but just because ONE writer painted eternity as a petulant, spoiled brat does not mean ALL writers see him that way. he was NOT seen that way when he challenged the infinites, when he was kind enough to tell dr strange all about strange's future, when he spoke on galactus's behalf at galactus's trial . . .) i'd go so far as to say the way he was depicted in the IG arcs was out of character -- based on all his previous appearances. so i don't buy that he tricked protege (who it was later shown was NOT as powerful as he believed he was) because he lied during the IG arc. that's pulling info from a series that is irrelevent to the book we are talking about. ALL characters change based on the writer. can't throw a blanket on eternity and say he lies about everything because one writer did a bad job of handling him. 😬

i've seen anomaly's mbody desroyed yet the concept remain.

i've seen mephisto's mbody destroyed yet the concept remain.

i've seen death's mbody 'killed' by strange and reformed in a new way a page later.

i've seen eternity himself admit he was just a visualization (i still don't know why he'd lie about such a thing. even in that arc, he lied to GAIN things. what does he gain by lying about being a visualization . . . 😬 )

i've seen lt's mbody shattered by reed yet lt's concept remains.

i've seen a catatonic mbody of eternity have NO impact on the universe itself, because its sentience was still functioning and struggling to escape.

i've seen an mbody of eternity manifest INSIDE a larger mbody of eternity.

on a difefrent note: we've seen mistress love appear based on quasar's thoughts. are you saying that if someone else pictured mistress love, that she could NOT appear to that person because it can only have ONE mbody at any time? that just doesn't really make logical sense to me. 😬

Thanos didn't kill Eternity, he placed Eternity's Sentience in suspended animation:

agreed. 😄 though i'd say he thrust eternity's sentience aside, overpowered it, and so became eternity. eternity STILL existed, but was usurped.

You said the Totality of the Universe can't manifest within an M-body INSIDE the Universe, well ...

to which i THOUGHT you'd agreed, now . . . 🙁

HOW did Thanos become the Actual TOTALITY of the Universe by replacing this M-body that confronted Thanos WITHIN the Universe? hum

we never SEE the actual climax of the battle. they disappear, the universe goes white, a hole forms. their bodies didn't exist on that climactic page. thanos found the sentience, overcame it. eternity's useless mbody remained behind with nothing to drive it.

you persist in sayinf he defeated the 'mbody'. we never saw that happen, anywhere. we see the mbody later, non-functioning. to me that was simply a reflection of thanos's victory over the sentience. how coudl the totality STILL exist AFTER thanos usurped the position? if the mbody TRULY was the 'totality' as you say, why didn't it simply fade away after THANOS became the 'totality'? 🤨

easy -- the mbody never mattered. thanos confronted it but it was never the mbody that was important. we never SAW the 'real' battle which should have taken place on multiple levels of reality. during THAT battle, thanos usurped the sentience, at which point the remaining mbody became totally useless, an empty shell deprived of what drove it.