Wolverine vs. Gamora

Started by capt it up10 pages

Originally posted by bigbran
Well, he was down, and he didn't apear for quite a while..

Does that prove any thing? There was like 50 heros in that fight.
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Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, Thing put him down, but your answer before was CLASS 100.
Thing isn't in that level.

Thing even back then had feats in class 100 range. You ever hear of PIS and low end showings? Not to mention when rouge had flown full speed and then with class 50 ton strength through logan as hard as she could into thing.

Originally posted by bigbran
Maybe, but I gave you examples of two, lower than class one hundsky.

One you can’t even prove logan was KOed. The other was a low end feat really low end and I have what 20 comics off the top of my head that disagree. Not to mention that was back before major up grades to logans healing factor

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, how many times have those people beat him in a fight?

A lot actually ogun has one ortwo wins. Sabertooth has a shit load of wins. Lady deathstrike has 4 wins.

Originally posted by bigbran
I remember bone claw staleamting Deathskrike, after he had no healing factor, and was incredibly weakened.

He was wearing macs armor and no omega red was there and they were trying to capture him.

Originally posted by bigbran
It sure looked like one...

There not one there. He hit the center of the neck the adam’s apple.

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but accordingly to Logan, and 90% of his showings, swords don't have what it takes to put him down like that.

As does punches and most of the showings are vs heavy hitters.

Originally posted by bigbran
Honestly, you have to agree, that Logan takes piercing damage pretty damn good.

Yes, but no better then blunt damage.

Originally posted by bigbran
Nahh... it happened because of Logan's showings vs cuts, and Logan's showings vs Punches... I think... 😕

He has far more showings vs cutting damage since as I stated almost every one of his rouges use slashing attacks

Originally posted by bigbran
So, how much do you think it would take to overload this bugger?
How did he die again, anyway?

Who you talken about?

Originally posted by bigbran
Do you mean 'show me', as in scans, or say the feats?
You might have to wait on that one, a little bit.

Scans or comic numbers

Originally posted by capt it up
Does that prove any thing? There was like 50 heros in that fight.
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Thing even back then had feats in class 100 range. You ever hear of PIS and low end showings? Not to mention when rouge had flown full speed and then with class 50 ton strength through logan as hard as she could into thing.

One you can’t even prove logan was KOed. The other was a low end feat really low end and I have what 20 comics off the top of my head that disagree. Not to mention that was back before major up grades to logans healing factor

A lot actually ogun has one ortwo wins. Sabertooth has a shit load of wins. Lady deathstrike has 4 wins.

He was wearing macs armor and no omega red was there and they were trying to capture him.

There not one there. He hit the center of the neck the adam’s apple.

As does punches and most of the showings are vs heavy hitters.

Yes, but no better then blunt damage.

He has far more showings vs cutting damage since as I stated almost every one of his rouges use slashing attacks

Who you talken about?

Scans or comic numbers

It proves that Wolverine was down. If Wolverine was awake, don't you think that he would have show up to kick some ass?

Wait, so Thing KOing Wolverine is pis? Do you hate Grimm that much?
I'll say that Wolverine could posibly beat Thing, but in no way does that equate, Thing KOing him pis.
What did you say about Rogue?

You can't prove Wolverine was awake. Wait, give me some comics where Thing can't KO Wolverine. Scans?
Wolverine could beat him, but, I don't see any proof that Thing couldn't KO him.

And they have fought... how many times?

? No, it was when she went to the Alpha Flight Mansion (?, a mansion anyway), and Wolverine was wearing modern clothes, with his hands wrapped up. He didn't pull out his claws, until quite later.

Reguardless, you can hit that thing really lightly (go on, give it a try), and it will still tingle. Now, an extremely good martial artist, hitting as hard as he can, with extreme accuracy... I'm not saying that it is usable, but it is somewhat semi-believable.

What about the glancing blow Hulk gave Wolverine in their first encounter...

Maybe...

Ya, and for all those shwoings of his slashing fights, he hasn't been put down as much as he should...

Cyber.

Ya, I'll look.

Originally posted by jinzin
the feats where he can't. In terms of his fighting ability vs. gamera...

Vs Gamera? Seriously Jin, what's Logan gonna do to Gamera?

They do both like children though.

Hes good but Godzilla would WTF pwn him.

Gamora would put Logan in a coma.

Oh and I already did this battle . http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=7230091&highlight=wolverine+vs+gamora#post7230091

Originally posted by bigbran
It proves that Wolverine was down. If Wolverine was awake, don't you think that he would have show up to kick some ass?

Who says he was not? There was like 50 heros they were only showing a few at a same time. So wait because hulk was not shown for a while was he KOed? How about spiderman?

Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, so Thing KOing Wolverine is pis?

Not really it more of a very very low end showing for logan on the verge of being PIS. Logan taken far far worse and kept coming.

Originally posted by bigbran
Do you hate Grimm that much?

No how ever I seen logan take worse from people stronger then grimm and even grimm him self and be fine.

Originally posted by bigbran
I'll say that Wolverine could posibly beat Thing

Logan would take at least 7-8 wins out of 10 vs thing.

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Originally posted by bigbran
but in no way does that equate, Thing KOing him pis.

No how ever a little tap on ,logan head never should have Koed logan.

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Originally posted by bigbran
What did you say about Rogue?

She flew full speed and throw him as hard as she could into thing.

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Originally posted by bigbran
You can't prove Wolverine was awake.

You can’t prove he was KOed.

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Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, give me some comics where Thing can't KO Wolverine. Scans?

That manor in which he was KOed was not nearly enough damage. Let see

(The New Invaders #6 enemy of the state tie-in) wolverine fight Namor and takes a few hits from Namor and keeps coming and wins the match, This is Namor and wolverine second fight with eachother

Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ughhouse6bd.jpg

Wolverine Vs Tiger Shark. He fought and took hits from tiger shark and kept coming. There first fight was in the water and the second which this pic is from is were wolverine beats tiger shark who is class 100.
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?...nen20p132qn.jpg

Wolverine vs Grey hulk in hulk 340. wolverine takes quite a few this from hulk and keeps coming.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?...20fixit47fk.jpg

Also if I am not mistaken is x-men/x4 first issue of the most recent cross over thing hits logan full on and logan regains his footing instantly.

See what I mean it was a very low end feat compared to the punishment Logan takes averagely.

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Originally posted by bigbran
Wolverine could beat him, but, I don't see any proof that Thing couldn't KO him.

Yes thing could, but not in the manor in which he did so. He would most deffenitly need more then one hit as well. He need quite a few hits.

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Originally posted by bigbran
And they have fought... how many times?

They have fought 4 times thing and wolverine.

Originally posted by bigbran
? No, it was when she went to the Alpha Flight Mansion (?, a mansion anyway), and Wolverine was wearing modern clothes, with his hands wrapped up. He didn't pull out his claws, until quite later.

He was wearing body armor from one of Mac earlier suits under his clothing.

Originally posted by bigbran
Reguardless, you can hit that thing really lightly (go on, give it a try), and it will still tingle. Now, an extremely good martial artist, hitting as hard as he can, with extreme accuracy... I'm not saying that it is usable, but it is somewhat semi-believable.

Not it not. Not when a martial artist equal in skilled placed a sword in the same places causing far far less damage. Really the example is quite frankly PIS.

Originally posted by bigbran
What about the glancing blow Hulk gave Wolverine in their first encounter...

Sweet use an example when logan is not even a mutant. Also nice using an example when he does not have a healing factor nor does he have real claws there just part of his gloves. You know whats even better logan took a hitt to the ground right before that with mountain shattering force, but nice try.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, and for all those shwoings of his slashing fights, he hasn't been put down as much as he should...

Why should he be put down more? When he tends to be more skilled then the person eh fighting.

Originally posted by capt it up
Who says he was not? There was like 50 heros they were only showing a few at a same time. So wait because hulk was not shown for a while was he KOed? How about spiderman?
Oh, except Spider-Man and Hulk didn't go out of the picture after being hit.
Also, we seen Wolverine on the ground, whether he was KOed or not, he was still knocked over, and felt the hit.

Originally posted by capt it up
Not really it more of a very very low end showing for logan on the verge of being PIS. Logan taken far far worse and kept coming.
Maybe...

Originally posted by capt it up
No how ever I seen logan take worse from people stronger then grimm and even grimm him self and be fine.
Ya, Hulk?

Originally posted by capt it up
Logan would take at least 7-8 wins out of 10 vs thing.

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Maybe...

Originally posted by capt it up
No how ever a little tap on ,logan head never should have Koed logan.

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He hit him harder than a tap. Also, didn't Wolverine get dizzy from Thing anyway?

Originally posted by capt it up
She flew full speed and throw him as hard as she could into thing.

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And...

Originally posted by capt it up
You can’t prove he was KOed.

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And you can't prove he wasn't, go figure.
Stalemate then.

Originally posted by capt it up
That manor in which he was KOed was not nearly enough damage. Let see

(The New Invaders #6 enemy of the state tie-in) wolverine fight Namor and takes a few hits from Namor and keeps coming and wins the match, This is Namor and wolverine second fight with eachother

Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ughhouse6bd.jpg

Wolverine Vs Tiger Shark. He fought and took hits from tiger shark and kept coming. There first fight was in the water and the second which this pic is from is were wolverine beats tiger shark who is class 100.
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?...nen20p132qn.jpg

Wolverine vs Grey hulk in hulk 340. wolverine takes quite a few this from hulk and keeps coming.
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?...20fixit47fk.jpg

These are the Thing fights?

Originally posted by capt it up
Also if I am not mistaken is x-men/x4 first issue of the most recent cross over thing hits logan full on and logan regains his footing instantly.
OK. This is most recent though, you know, that Wolverine as said in your own words, have been upgraded since then?

Originally posted by capt it up
See what I mean it was a very low end feat compared to the punishment Logan takes averagely.
Thing also hits harder than the average 85 tonner.

Originally posted by capt it up
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Yes thing could, but not in the manor in which he did so. He would most deffenitly need more then one hit as well. He need quite a few hits.
I thought he got more than one hit in there.

Originally posted by capt it up
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They have fought 4 times thing and wolverine.
Ok.

Originally posted by capt it up
He was wearing body armor from one of Mac earlier suits under his clothing.
He was wearing, and unbuttoned shirt, and jeans.
His skin on his chest, and arms were showing, so unless I'm missing something...
It was Wolverine # 77.

Originally posted by capt it up
Not it not. Not when a martial artist equal in skilled placed a sword in the same places causing far far less damage. Really the example is quite frankly PIS.
Does the person who gets hit with the sword have a healing factor?

Originally posted by capt it up
Sweet use an example when logan is not even a mutant. Also nice using an example when he does not have a healing factor nor does he have real claws there just part of his gloves. You know whats even better logan took a hitt to the ground right before that with mountain shattering force, but nice try.
Wait, what?

Also, Wolverine wasn't immortal for some of his cases. He only became immortal after. Basically same thing here. If Wolverine wasn't a mutant here, then Wolverine wasn't always immortal.

Also, since you always like to use Wolverine's first fight as an example, then I figured, why not?
Wolverine's first fight with Hulk had him get taken out by a glancing blow.

Originally posted by capt it up
Why should he be put down more? When he tends to be more skilled then the person eh fighting.
Well, when he has been in more fights against swords then physical contact, and he hasn't been taken down by them as much as physical... what does that tell you?

Also, what does this have to do with Gamora beating Wolverine?

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh, except Spider-Man and Hulk didn't go out of the picture after being hit.
Also, we seen Wolverine on the ground, whether he was KOed or not, he was still knocked over, and felt the hit.

Your point? Logans felt stabs before as well. Using low end very low end showings is not a good way to prove your point. Not to mention logan was never KOed. Also pip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DD strength. Pip like a class 20 or so.

Originally posted by bigbran
Maybe...

It not a maybe it is fact in which I showed evidence too.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, Hulk?

You have said this on three occasions and have yet to explain why.

Originally posted by bigbran
Maybe...

It not really a maybe it pretty much true. Logan can take more punches form thing then thing can take stabs. Not to mention Logan far more skilled and far faster combat speed wise.

Originally posted by bigbran
He hit him harder than a tap.

It was pretty much a little punch to the head.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, didn't Wolverine get dizzy from Thing anyway?

That was because rouge had thrown logan into thing well flying full speed.

Originally posted by bigbran
And you can't prove he wasn't, go figure.
Stalemate then.

Neither of us can use it then as evidence to bad.

Originally posted by bigbran
These are the Thing fights?

No there fights with people as strong or far stronger then thing in which the people hit logan multiable times with out being able to KO him.

Originally posted by bigbran
OK. This is most recent though, you know, that Wolverine as said in your own words, have been upgraded since then?

True how ever I already showed evidence of people stronger then thing and as strong punching logan far stronger and far more times with out being able to KO him.
I was going to show the scan in which Logan scared things face horribly how ever I can not find it and my comic are at home. In that fight thing hits Logan as hard as he can and was unable to KO Logan.

Originally posted by bigbran
Thing also hits harder than the average 85 tonner.

Not really. Not that it matters since I listed people stronger then 85 tons as well.

Originally posted by bigbran
I thought he got more than one hit in there.

No he go one.

Originally posted by bigbran
He was wearing, and unbuttoned shirt, and jeans.
His skin on his chest, and arms were showing, so unless I'm missing something...
It was Wolverine # 77.

You saying logan was with out powers? Hmmm I have my comics at home, but I look into it. As I recall he was wearing armor from mac in the mansion fight.

Originally posted by bigbran
Does the person who gets hit with the sword have a healing factor?

Do you even remember what we were talking about? We were talking about how you were trying to say a jabb to the neck is more damaging to a sword placed in the same place by some one equally as skilled.

Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, what?

Also, Wolverine wasn't immortal for some of his cases. He only became immortal after. Basically same thing here.


How ever he did not die before he was stated as immortal in 91.

Originally posted by bigbran
If Wolverine wasn't a mutant here, then Wolverine wasn't always immortal.

There a big difference here. Logan writer’s stated in an interview in the back of ultimate guide to x-men that logan was first written with gloves that had adamatium claws, spiderman strength and no healing factor. That why it is such a shitty example.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, since you always like to use Wolverine's first fight as an example, then I figured, why not?

When have I ever sued it as an example other then to say he was first designed to be a hulk villain and an anti-brick which is true and he still is how ever he had his strength decreased and given a healing factor along with better durability.

Originally posted by bigbran
Wolverine's first fight with Hulk had him get taken out by a glancing blow.

Not it had him taking an earth shattering hit to the ground and then taken out by a glancing blow and as I stated before he was first written with out a healing factor and with out being a mutant.

Originally posted by bigbran
Well, when he has been in more fights against swords then physical contact, and he hasn't been taken down by them as much as physical... what does that tell you?

Logan been taken out with bladed weapons far more then physical contact. Also that physical contact was mostly from people who are class 100 so ti really does not help your case at all.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, what does this have to do with Gamora beating Wolverine?

It has nothing to do with it I never argued that. You’re the one who been arguing me over nothing. The only thing I said was that DD incident was PIS.

I am going with Gamora 9/10 for the win here.

Wait a second capt, I seem to remember you saying that you actually had proof that Wolverine wasn't KO'd by Pip. Now whatever happened with that?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait a second capt, I seem to remember you saying that you actually had proof that Wolverine wasn't KO'd by Pip. Now whatever happened with that?

I never said that? whend did I say that? I said there was no proof he was KOed. But sweet putting words in my mouth

Originally posted by capt it up
Your point? Logans felt stabs before as well. Using low end very low end showings is not a good way to prove your point. Not to mention logan was never KOed. Also pip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DD strength. Pip like a class 20 or so.
Pip, and Daredevil's incidents are quite different.
Did Pip hit Wolverine in the neck/adam's apple?
Also, why is it always so hard fo you to ever stand a street level beating Wolverine?
I'm not saying the DD incident was not pis, but, everytime a strret level does soemthing damaging to Wolverine... pis!
Hell even when a 20 and under tonner does something, it is still pis?
Why is this?

Originally posted by capt it up
It not a maybe it is fact in which I showed evidence too.
Like I said, maybe.
He got cheapshotted by a 20 maybe tonner, and got hit in the head, by someone of that caliber throwing it.

Originally posted by capt it up
You have said this on three occasions and have yet to explain why.
I'm saying that this is the only person at the moment (besides Wendy) that I can think of, that was above Thing in strength.

Originally posted by capt it up
It not really a maybe it pretty much true. Logan can take more punches form thing then thing can take stabs. Not to mention Logan far more skilled and far faster combat speed wise.
And it is also true that Wolverine wins 7-8/10?
If it's true, then why do so many people debate it?

Originally posted by capt it up
It was pretty much a little punch to the head.
A bop on the head to be exact, also, this wasn't a fully healed Wolverine, he was dizzy right before it.

Originally posted by capt it up
That was because rouge had thrown logan into thing well flying full speed.
Ok, so Wolverine was dizzy is what your saying, after this?

Originally posted by capt it up
Neither of us can use it then as evidence to bad.
Sometimes I have no idea what your saying...
Well, there was evidence that Wolverine was down after the attack, and that he didn't show up after this attack, so it really isn't non-useable.

Originally posted by capt it up
No there fights with people as strong or far stronger then thing in which the people hit logan multiable times with out being able to KO him.
So, was Wolverine dazed during these fights too, before the hits?

Originally posted by capt it up
True how ever I already showed evidence of people stronger then thing and as strong punching logan far stronger and far more times with out being able to KO him.
I was going to show the scan in which Logan scared things face horribly how ever I can not find it and my comic are at home. In that fight thing hits Logan as hard as he can and was unable to KO Logan.

Ok.

I don't seem to recall Thing hitting Wolverine as hard as he could, and I do recall, Thing trying to hold him down though.

Originally posted by capt it up
Not really. Not that it matters since I listed people stronger then 85 tons as well.
Did those class 85's break Champion's ribs, and were able to stand with him for repeated rounds?

Originally posted by capt it up
No he go one.
He got one on a dazed Wolverine.

Originally posted by capt it up
You saying logan was with out powers? Hmmm I have my comics at home, but I look into it. As I recall he was wearing armor from mac in the mansion fight.
That was after Magneto ripped the adamantium out of him, and he had bone claws.

Originally posted by capt it up
Do you even remember what we were talking about? We were talking about how you were trying to say a jabb to the neck is more damaging to a sword placed in the same place by some one equally as skilled.
Oh, is that what you were talking about?
If we go, by that, then I look pretty much like a retard, now don't I?

But, no, I was talking about, that Wolverine seems to take piercing damage a lot better than he does blunt damage.

Also, who was this guy who hit Wolverine in the same spot as DD did, and how was he as skilled as DD?

Originally posted by capt it up
How ever he did not die before he was stated as immortal in 91.
Was he ever introduced to something to kill him?
Also, you said he was always immortal.

Originally posted by capt it up
There a big difference here. Logan writer’s stated in an interview in the back of ultimate guide to x-men that logan was first written with gloves that had adamatium claws, spiderman strength and no healing factor. That why it is such a shitty example.
When was this?
This is also retarded, since, didn't Wolverine always have claws? This was after the Weapon X incident, was it not?
So why would he have f*cking gloves?

There is absolutely no difference here.
Wolverine has always been a mutant, and had a healing factor, or did those flashbacks/tellings of history lie?
If I am wrong here, then you are also wrong about Wolverine being immortal!

Originally posted by capt it up
When have I ever sued it as an example other then to say he was first designed to be a hulk villain and an anti-brick which is true and he still is how ever he had his strength decreased and given a healing factor along with better durability.
Actually, you have said before, to people that go back to Wolverine's first appearance, and you will see he was always able to take hits, and fight people like Hulk.

Originally posted by capt it up
Not it had him taking an earth shattering hit to the ground and then taken out by a glancing blow and as I stated before he was first written with out a healing factor and with out being a mutant.
Taken out by the glancing blow, is all I need...

Originally posted by capt it up
Logan been taken out with bladed weapons far more then physical contact. Also that physical contact was mostly from people who are class 100 so ti really does not help your case at all.
Hasn't Wolverine been taken out by the flick in Secret Wars...

Originally posted by capt it up
It has nothing to do with it I never argued that. You’re the one who been arguing me over nothing. The only thing I said was that DD incident was PIS.
Wait, I'm pretty sure I said that that incident was pis, just not as much as you think.

Originally posted by capt it up
I never said that? whend did I say that? I said there was no proof he was KOed. But sweet putting words in my mouth

Oh no you DIDN'T just call me a liar. Let me give you a little recap of a conversation we had a while back...

Originally posted by darthgoober
You know the funny thing is, that for all your talk about how Wolverine can shake off hits from 100+ people like they're nothing, he will always have this hanging over his head. 😂

Originally posted by darthgoober
See that unconsious guy at the bottem of the page, THAT'S Wolverine.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And buy the way, Pip's somewhere in Spiderman's strength catagory.
Originally posted by capt it up
every one has low end feats, but wolverine has far far more feats of taken hits from class 100 and being fine. So seeing how wolevrien constant feats shows other wise yoru picture still emans squat and oh by the way wolverine was not knocked out he was up on the next pannel hell in that pannel he getting up, but nice try. Showing just a piece of a comic and trying to lie to some one who read the comic is not such a good idea
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait a second, that picture comes from the Infinity War #4, and it NEVER has Wolverine conscious again until they are on Galactus's ship. Now if you can post a scan of him up and around before that from one of the side books, I'll admit that I'm wrong about him being KO'ed, because I haven't seen all of those. But if you do that you should show how he WAS taken out, because he's not among the last people to face off agaist the Infinity Watch.

Originally posted by capt it up
I can't at the moment since there in storage, but when I find the time I will get the issue and post it.

either way it does not matter, because that is an extremely low end feat of wolverines and there are many many other feats that rove that should not have happened.

I also like to mention Thing got knocked around before by black panther which is a low end feat for thing. every one has low end feats to try and use them as evdence ina forum battle is not a good idea since you are supose to use the character at there best, or at least what there more constantly shown to do.

Now for anyone who wants to check those quotes to make sure they haven't been altered, here's a link the the thread and page where they started...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=418466&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=6
Our conversations starts about mid thread, and continues onto the next page(which is where you last post from that sting is located).

I remember EVERYTHING.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh no you DIDN'T just call me a liar. Let me give you a little recap of a conversation we had a while back...

Now for anyone who wants to check those quotes to make sure they haven't been altered, here's a link the the thread and page where they started...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=418466&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=6
Our conversations starts about mid thread, and continues onto the next page(which is where you last post from that sting is located).

I remember EVERYTHING.

wait did I say you were a liar? I thought you ment this thread. well I guess I did say it and I was wrong since I later read it and logan how ever not ever shown Koed he was infact never shown again right after the hitt.

Originally posted by capt it up
wait did I say you were a liar? I thought you ment this thread. well I guess I did say it and I was wrong since I later read it and logan how ever not ever shown Koed he was infact never shown again right after the hitt.

Oh ok, I thought you'd meant that you'd NEVER said it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh ok, I thought you'd meant that you'd NEVER said it.

No I ment this thread

Originally posted by bigbran
Pip, and Daredevil's incidents are quite different.
Did Pip hit Wolverine in the neck/adam's apple?

Nope he did not.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, why is it always so hard fo you to ever stand a street level beating Wolverine?

I do not care if a street leveler defeats logan how ever I do care when a hack writer like ennis writes logan losing from an attack that would never work and is a PIS fight. If the fight is not PIS then I do not care how ever you are using a PIS event.

Originally posted by bigbran
I'm not saying the DD incident was not pis, but, everytime a strret level does soemthing damaging to Wolverine... pis!

When have I ever done this when it was not PIS? The only incident I have called PIS really is this one becuase it clearly is.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hell even when a 20 and under tonner does something, it is still pis?
Why is this?

When have I ever said some thing was PIS when it was not?

Originally posted by bigbran
Like I said, maybe.
He got cheapshotted by a 20 maybe tonner, and got hit in the head, by someone of that caliber throwing it.

You have one very low end showing while I have evidence of constant showings that prove this should really never of happen and is in fact just a low end showing. You should go read the rules of the board. Not to mention is that not the same arch in which Logan takes mutable hits from Wonder man and remains conscious.

Originally posted by bigbran
I'm saying that this is the only person at the moment (besides Wendy) that I can think of, that was above Thing in strength.

Lets see tiger shark and namor are as strong if not stronger.

There also ba’al fight in which logan takes many hits and ba’al strength>bens
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t6xn.jpg

there also any version of hulk, there sas,warpath,thunderbird and so one

Originally posted by bigbran
And it is also true that Wolverine wins 7-8/10?
If it's true, then why do so many people debate it?

It like debating wolverine vs hulk sure you can possibly debate it how ever it quite clear who the winner would be which is hulk. Sure you can debate who wins between logan and thing, but logan the clear winner.

Originally posted by bigbran
A bop on the head to be exact, also, this wasn't a fully healed Wolverine, he was dizzy right before it.

Yes, but that really never should have made him that dizzy.

Originally posted by bigbran
Sometimes I have no idea what your saying...
Well, there was evidence that Wolverine was down after the attack, and that he didn't show up after this attack, so it really isn't non-useable.

Yes how ever there no evidence he was KOed and next you see him he is fine.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, was Wolverine dazed during these fights too, before the hits?

No how ever the reason he was dizzy in the thing fight made not senses so really you have nothing.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ok.

I don't seem to recall Thing hitting Wolverine as hard as he could, and I do recall, Thing trying to hold him down though.


Thing slammed logan to the ground logan and logan cutt things face open. Wolverine was in such shock at what he did he did not even try and dodge when a fully enrage thing hit him as hard as he could

Originally posted by bigbran
Did those class 85's break Champion's ribs, and were able to stand with him for repeated rounds?

No how ever does that make senses that thing could? Of course not it PIS. Champions the best fighter in marvel and is far more powerful then thing. Thing should never had landed a hit let a lone last 3 rounds.

Originally posted by bigbran
That was after Magneto ripped the adamantium out of him, and he had bone claws.

So your saying logan had his powers in the fight with lady death strike?

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh, is that what you were talking about?
If we go, by that, then I look pretty much like a retard, now don't I?

Yup.

Originally posted by bigbran
But, no, I was talking about, that Wolverine seems to take piercing damage a lot better than he does blunt damage.

Yes how ever the only evidence you brought up was PIS thing with daredevil there really no evidence to back up your theory.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, who was this guy who hit Wolverine in the same spot as DD did, and how was he as skilled as DD?

It was gorgon you know the man was unbelievably skilled was listed at a level 7 if im not mistaken. Had superhuman speed, strength, healingfactor, superhuman reflexes, agility stamina. A telepath. Dude was a power house who skill add with his abilities is equally as skilled as DD.

Originally posted by bigbran
Was he ever introduced to something to kill him?
Also, you said he was always immortal.

True how ever he was reconned as immortal.

Originally posted by bigbran
When was this?
This is also retarded, since, didn't Wolverine always have claws? This was after the Weapon X incident, was it not?
So why would he have f*cking gloves?

Not sure when it came out. You do realize many characters after there first appearance tend to be a lot different later on. Logan first appearance he was written as a man with Spiderman like strength no healing factor and gloves with claws on them

Originally posted by bigbran
There is absolutely no difference here.
Wolverine has always been a mutant, and had a healing factor, or did those flashbacks/tellings of history lie?
If I am wrong here, then you are also wrong about Wolverine being immortal!

Listen it was all reconned. When they first wrote wolverine in hulk 181 he was written with no healing factor, not a mutant and had spiderman level strength. It was reconned how ever in that issue that how he was written so using it as evidence is beyond stupid.

Originally posted by bigbran
Actually, you have said before, to people that go back to Wolverine's first appearance, and you will see he was always able to take hits, and fight people like Hulk.

No I am positive I said back in logan first appearance he was a hulk villain he was created to fight brick guys. I also think you getting me screwed up with some one else. Or maybe your thinking about me saying back in logan first solo series he began with fighting high level characters from the get go.

Originally posted by bigbran
Taken out by the glancing blow, is all I need...

How ever that not what fully happen and you should learn that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hasn't Wolverine been taken out by the flick in Secret Wars...

Nope I think your sadly mistaken

Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, I'm pretty sure I said that that incident was pis, just not as much as you think.

PIS is PIS does not matter either way.

Originally posted by bigbran
In comics, it seems that blunt damage does more. Look at Superman vs Doomsday.
Also, Wolverine seems to heal instantly from cuts, while blunt damage does more, for a more lasting effect.
No, not to my knowledge.
Also, Gamora has always been able to fight with people like Drax.
Her fighting skills are some of the best in Marvel, if not the BEST.
Her enemies don't range from Hulk, to Cyber.

So, where do you see her supposedly getting a boost anyway?

wolverine has 100 of years of martial arts knowledge and skills, compare that.

Jinzin Capt and DD are just plain stupid. From all the boards I been on they are the worst ever.

wolverine was never immortal, his aging process was retarded because of his healing powers. Immortal means death banished you from its realm.