Wolverine vs. Gamora · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

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I don't think some people really understand the concept of pressure point strikes. A sword through the throat. No big deal, Logan can just heal the damaged tissue, but when he's hit by a pressure point attack, he can't heal it as there are no (or much at least) damaged tissue, but the blood flow is disturbed or something similiar. Please don't say Wolverine can heal changes in a blood current or pressure.

So, I'd say yeah. A Pressure point attack would do more damage to Logan than a sword through the throat, at least longer lasting damage.

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complexbrother The protector of logic

Originally posted by capt it up

Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ughhouse6bd.jpg
Wolverine Vs Tiger Shark. He fought and took hits from tiger shark and kept coming. There first fight was in the water and the second which this pic is from is were wolverine beats tiger shark who is class 100.
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?...nen20p132qn.jpg

what are you smoking ? first of all Ruughhouse is in no way a 100 ton power house, here's his bio ...
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Roughouse
he is about as half as strong as an average asgardian rock troll (the avrage strength level is about 25 tons, hense RH can lift about 12 tons)

and Tiger Shark is not a 100 tonner nor has he ever been one. his bio ... http://www.marveldatabase.com/Tiger_Shark
he can lift a max of 80 tons (only in water) and is like Rino ...an idiot.

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Originally posted by Grimm22
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Gamora 1000/10

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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
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capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Baldey
Jinzin Capt and DD are just plain stupid. From all the boards I been on they are the worst ever.

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wait why am I stupid? Are you calling me stupid becuase I disagree and know that the DD fight was pure PIS.

also I could out debate you in my sleep

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by complexbrother
what are you smoking ? first of all Ruughhouse is in no way a 100 ton power house, here's his bio ...
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Roughouse
he is about as half as strong as an average asgardian rock troll (the avrage strength level is about 25 tons, hense RH can lift about 12 tons)

He lifted more then 30 tons in one arms with ease before. First off your using a fan created bio. What I used for evidence was a direct BIO form marvel and also a direct references in comics. Maybe you should try using official evidence instead of fan made. You might actually learn some thing.

Originally posted by complexbrother
and Tiger Shark is not a 100 tonner nor has he ever been one. his bio ... http://www.marveldatabase.com/Tiger_Shark
he can lift a max of 80 tons (only in water) and is like Rino ...an idiot.

Tiger shark is far from dumb. Also he goes head to head with namor. Again your using fan made Bio’s they are no official, but nice try.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Jyppe
I don't think some people really understand the concept of pressure point strikes. A sword through the throat. No big deal, Logan can just heal the damaged tissue, but when he's hit by a pressure point attack, he can't heal it as there are no (or much at least) damaged tissue, but the blood flow is disturbed or something similiar.

No you clear do not understand. A pressure point is damaging the nerves and also bruising the skinn both of which would be heal instantly if you had a healing fact. Second it was a adam apple pushed in which again is not a pressure point and is clearly damage done to the body. A sword through the throat is far more damaging and harder to heal then a pressure point. Also the sword was left in logans throat.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Please don't say Wolverine can heal changes in a blood current or pressure.

He does not need to since that is not what a pressure point does. It attacks your nerve causing damage to it. It also can indent the skinn which is also damage to the skinn which if you had a healing factor would heal instantly. You should really learn what pressure point attacks does it causes damage which is either to the nerve or to the skinn causing in blood clots of sorts all of which heal over time now if you heal far far greater then a normal human it would heal instantly.

Originally posted by Jyppe
So, I'd say yeah. A Pressure point attack would do more damage to Logan than a sword through the throat, at least longer lasting damage.

That would make no senses what so ever. Both cause damage how ever a stab causes about 100 times more damage.

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Originally posted by Baldey
Jinzin Capt and DD are just plain stupid. From all the boards I been on they are the worst ever.

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You know, I dont think I've ever seen you actually debate. It seems like you just hang around threads, trying to act superior to other people, so you can be 'cool'. Lemme guess, your little school buddies don't think your popular enough, so you come onto internet forums and find out who is, and try to be cool too? All you've ever done is criticize and act accusatory or holier-then-thou. 😬

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Originally posted by Grimm22
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um...

So, you moved? 😱

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Originally posted by capt it up
Nope he did not.

Well, then that makes it uncomparable.

Originally posted by capt it up
I do not care if a street leveler defeats logan how ever I do care when a hack writer like ennis writes logan losing from an attack that would never work and is a PIS fight. If the fight is not PIS then I do not care how ever you are using a PIS event.

OK...
So, when was a non pis fight between Wolverine and a street level, that involved Wolverine losing?

Originally posted by capt it up
When have I ever done this when it was not PIS? The only incident I have called PIS really is this one becuase it clearly is.

Well, any other Spider-Man fight besides the graveyard, and the times Wolverine won...

Originally posted by capt it up
When have I ever said some thing was PIS when it was not?

Thing against Champion.

Originally posted by capt it up
You have one very low end showing while I have evidence of constant showings that prove this should really never of happen and is in fact just a low end showing. You should go read the rules of the board. Not to mention is that not the same arch in which Logan takes mutable hits from Wonder man and remains conscious.

So your saying that Wolverine should be fully aware, when a 20 class, cheapshots him, by hitting him with a rock?
Also, Wolverine was basically downed when Wonder Man laid into him.

Originally posted by capt it up
Lets see tiger shark and namor are as strong if not stronger.

Didn't Namor down him in one shot?

Originally posted by capt it up
There also ba’al fight in which logan takes many hits and ba’al strength>bens
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t6xn.jpg
there also any version of hulk, there sas,warpath,thunderbird and so one

Hmm, from that scan, it only shows Wolverine kicking him in the head...

I'm pretty sure that Sass has downed him, beside that recent (or newer) fight.

Originally posted by capt it up
It like debating wolverine vs hulk sure you can possibly debate it how ever it quite clear who the winner would be which is hulk. Sure you can debate who wins between logan and thing, but logan the clear winner.

Wait, there should be no debate between Logan and Hulk... 😐
There is no clear winner between Wolverine, and Thing, beside the Wolverine, and Thing fans.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes, but that really never should have made him that dizzy.

Well, it was like throwing him into a brick wall, that doesn't destroy.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes how ever there no evidence he was KOed and next you see him he is fine.

Next, like in, pages and pages later?
He isn't going to be cut up and shit, if he only gets KOed. There should be no tell-tale sign of this on Wolverine.

Originally posted by capt it up
No how ever the reason he was dizzy in the thing fight made not senses so really you have nothing.

Oh, of course it doesn't...

Originally posted by capt it up
Thing slammed logan to the ground logan and logan cutt things face open. Wolverine was in such shock at what he did he did not even try and dodge when a fully enrage thing hit him as hard as he could

I thought you said he hit him before he got cut up...
What issue is it, so I can read it myself?

Originally posted by capt it up
No how ever does that make senses that thing could? Of course not it PIS. Champions the best fighter in marvel and is far more powerful then thing. Thing should never had landed a hit let a lone last 3 rounds.

So... if Champion is the best fighter in the universe, then what about... Thanos (outfought him when Champ had the PG), Drax (one-shotted Champ), Surfer (matched him physically when Champ had his strength greatly enhanced), Surfer (matched him physically), Surfer (beat his ass/stalemated, what is this, three times, when Surfer was shown as good, or better?), She-Hulk ( 😖hifty: ), etc.

Gamora is the best fighter in the Marvel universe.

Actually, if you look at the stats, Champ can only really hit hard.
Making the Thing fight, a good showing for Thing.

Originally posted by capt it up
So your saying logan had his powers in the fight with lady death strike?

Actually, Logan had a little bit of a healing factor, basically nothing (keep in mind, that Logan was still bandaged from Mags), and nothing else really.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yup.

Neat.

Originally posted by capt it up
Yes how ever the only evidence you brought up was PIS thing with daredevil there really no evidence to back up your theory.

Yes, and you have the sword stabbing him through the throat, when even as a current Wolverine, was downed by getting his throat cut up pretty good...

Originally posted by capt it up
It was gorgon you know the man was unbelievably skilled was listed at a level 7 if im not mistaken. Had superhuman speed, strength, healingfactor, superhuman reflexes, agility stamina. A telepath. Dude was a power house who skill add with his abilities is equally as skilled as DD.

And, this has to do with how skilled he is, how?
He stabbed him in the throat, did he say, "I'm going to go for the same spot that Daredevil went for in your throat?"

Originally posted by capt it up
True how ever he was reconned as immortal.

Now your finally getting it!
That is what I tried to explain to you a couple days ago.
Wolverine was ret-conned as immortal.

Originally posted by capt it up
Not sure when it came out. You do realize many characters after there first appearance tend to be a lot different later on. Logan first appearance he was written as a man with Spiderman like strength no healing factor and gloves with claws on them

Did he show any of these on-panel though?

Originally posted by capt it up
Listen it was all reconned. When they first wrote wolverine in hulk 181 he was written with no healing factor, not a mutant and had spiderman level strength. It was reconned how ever in that issue that how he was written so using it as evidence is beyond stupid.

OK then.

Originally posted by capt it up
No I am positive I said back in logan first appearance he was a hulk villain he was created to fight brick guys. I also think you getting me screwed up with some one else. Or maybe your thinking about me saying back in logan first solo series he began with fighting high level characters from the get go.

No, you said that Logan was able to fight people like Hulk even in his first appearance.
Usually, your retort, when they say they want classic Wolverine back.

Originally posted by capt it up
How ever that not what fully happen and you should learn that.

Ya, but it matters not, since it was ret-conned, you know?
Still, that glancing blow...

Originally posted by capt it up
Nope I think your sadly mistaken

Spider-Man, punks whole X-Men team, flicks (pretty sure) Wolverine, and he goes flying.
😖hifty:

Originally posted by capt it up
PIS is PIS does not matter either way.

Well played...

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Vs Gamera? Seriously Jin, what's Logan gonna do to Gamera?
They do both like children though.

😂

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Baldey
Jinzin Capt and DD are just plain stupid. From all the boards I been on they are the worst ever.

I'm stupid now? izzatso?
and why would that be?
cause I support a character who has tons of evidence in his favor to support him?
because I always use feats to argue in favor of a fictional character?
cause I'm a street level tourny champ?
that's why I'm the worst?
🙄

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by bigbran
So basically, this whole retort was based off a writer? Wouldn't this also, in a way equal pis then?

not really more comparible to WBIS
Writer's Biased Insduced Stupidity....
anyways what I'm trying to show you is that you have one arch under the same writer and wolverine displays feats on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum... which takes presidence? in my mind consistency and thus majority is what counts here. But using examples and feat from a writer who addmittedly writes people out of character to suit his own bias doesn't seem like a good way to go.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, he fighting ability, minus claws could make him able to beat the shit out of Ronin? He could fight Thanos alone? He could beat Drax?

he's not fighting without his claws..
he's also not fighting ronin or thanos or drax.. so those are all irrelivent... ABC logic doesn't always work... but we have A=C already during infinity crusades.. wolverine was stalemating her well before she got distracted...

Originally posted by bigbran
Wow, that run, must have given him a massive damn upgrade!

in competence and fighing capibilities.. yeah it has...

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, even in classic form, I think she would win.
Gamora has also gotten an upgrade too. She said this, before she flung Ronin about a football field+ length, with one arm, not even trying...

I wasn't aware.

Originally posted by bigbran
so, what is the excuse behind this one:
Pip put Woverine down with a rock to the head.
Thing put Wolverine down with a punch on the top of the head.

the Pip thing is just an inconsistency...
thing was able to do that after wolverine was already on the fritz.. I can't remember if it was from a previous attack from thing or from rogue.. but he wasn't ok... so it's not a suitable example.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by jinzin
not really more comparible to WBIS
Writer's Biased Insduced Stupidity....
anyways what I'm trying to show you is that you have one arch under the same writer and wolverine displays feats on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum... which takes presidence? in my mind consistency and thus majority is what counts here. But using examples and feat from a writer who addmittedly writes people out of character to suit his own bias doesn't seem like a good way to go.

Ya, maybe, but, what I'm trying to point out, is that there is such things as pis.

Just one example I used there.

Originally posted by jinzin
he's not fighting without his claws..
he's also not fighting ronin or thanos or drax.. so those are all irrelivent... ABC logic doesn't always work... but we have A=C already during infinity crusades.. wolverine was stalemating her well before she got distracted...

Well, if he was as good at fighting as Gamora, he should not be using his claws.

Oh, ABC logic does work in this case, since basically what you said here...

Originally posted by jinzin
the Pip thing is just an inconsistency...

So, if your allowed to say Pip doing this is an inconsistency, then why isn't Wolverine stalemating Gamora an inconsistency?

Also, as I believe you have said before, that was an extremely low showing.

Gamora fights people on Drax's level, all the time, but then, we are expected to believe Wolverine can stalemate her?

Originally posted by jinzin
in competence and fighing capibilities.. yeah it has...

Well, like you said though...

Originally posted by jinzin
not really more comparible to WBIS
Writer's Biased Insduced Stupidity....

So, a really good feat of Wolverine is usable, but a not so good feat isn't?

Originally posted by jinzin
I wasn't aware.

Originally posted by bigbran
As well, as she is way stronger.

Originally posted by jinzin
the Pip thing is just an inconsistency...
thing was able to do that after wolverine was already on the fritz.. I can't remember if it was from a previous attack from thing or from rogue.. but he wasn't ok... so it's not a suitable example.

Oh, so Pip doing this was, dare I say it, pis?

I thought Thing is the one who caused the damage?

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Classic power level Gamora doesn't fight people on Drax's level. She fought with him briefly (inside the soul gem) while Surfer went off to find Adam Warlock, care to wager what her out come would have been if he didn't show up when he did? The most impressive thing she did was manage to avoid Warrior Madness Thor, but he is hardly mister speedy... and he was fighting like a chump on top of that. Heck she had a hell of a time with Armor in Infinite Abyss 4. So I say once again, classic Gamora is being over estimated.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Classic power level Gamora doesn't fight people on Drax's level. She fought with him briefly (inside the soul gem) while Surfer went off to find Adam Warlock, care to wager what her out come would have been if he didn't show up when he did? The most impressive thing she did was manage to avoid Warrior Madness Thor, but he is hardly mister speedy... and he was fighting like a chump on top of that. Heck she had a hell of a time with Armor in Infinite Abyss 4. So I say once again, classic Gamora is being over estimated.

Ya, the most impressive thing she did was avoid Thor...

So Thor is above Thanos?

Also, what is your take on the fight?

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, the most impressive thing she did was avoid Thor...
So Thor is above Thanos?
Also, what is your take on the fight?

No Thor isn't above Thanos, but holding your own against Thanos is a sparing match really isn't all that impressive. At least we know where Thor stood when he fought Gamora.

Even with her current stat boost I don't see this being a totally one sided fight. I guess it depends on whether or not she decided to use Godslayer right off the bat and what properties the magical dagger has. But the fact is that Gamora is still a ground based combatant with no range option and fighting Wolverine in melee combat is never a good idea unless you have a significant speed advantage or are impervious to harm. I'm not going to pick a winner with current Gamora and Wolverine since I only recently picked up the four issue Ronan Annihilation mini and don't know anything else she may have done in any of the other cross over titles but I doubt she gets 10/10... much less 100/10.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No Thor isn't above Thanos, but holding your own against Thanos is a sparing match really isn't all that impressive. At least we know where Thor stood when he fought Gamora.
Even with her current stat boost I don't see this being a totally one sided fight. I guess it depends on whether or not she decided to use Godslayer right off the bat and what properties the magical dagger has. But the fact is that Gamora is still a ground based combatant with no range option and fighting Wolverine in melee combat is never a good idea unless you have a significant speed advantage or are impervious to harm. I'm not going to pick a winner with current Gamora and Wolverine since I only recently picked up the four issue Ronan Annihilation mini and don't know anything else she may have done in any of the other cross over titles but I doubt she gets 10/10... much less 100/10.

Wait, did you see the Gamora/Thanos fight?
Also, how is this not an impressive feat?
I didn't see Surfer, Drax, Champion, Super Skrull, etc do it, but it isn't impressive when Gamora does it? Huh?

Also, you do realize that Thanos is the one that took out Thor?
(only good part about that whole crossover)
And if you are using the Thor feat as evidence, then you also have to take into consideration that Strange, Surfer, Beta, Drax, Warlock, etc, all lost to him, but your using the Gamora avoiding him as not a good feat, and why Wolverine could hold his own?

Gamora has the speed, fighting ability, agility, strength, (not counting duriblity, cause it doesn't even matter for her, in this fight), advantage in this fight.
This isn't enough to warrant her a win?
She also took out Thing with one shot too.

Oh ya, she was also beating up Terrax in Annihilation 2.

To me, she gets 10/10.
She is one of the best fighters, if not the best fighters in Marvel.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Classic power level Gamora doesn't fight people on Drax's level. She fought with him briefly (inside the soul gem) while Surfer went off to find Adam Warlock, care to wager what her out come would have been if he didn't show up when he did? The most impressive thing she did was manage to avoid Warrior Madness Thor, but he is hardly mister speedy... and he was fighting like a chump on top of that. Heck she had a hell of a time with Armor in Infinite Abyss 4. So I say once again, classic Gamora is being over estimated.

Ok first of all, "Classic" Gamora has also taken on the like of Maxam, who IS is Drax's league.

Second, Armor was basically a suped up Iron Man, designed to take on Thanos. So that's hardly a low showing.

Third, you forgot to mention that in that fight with Drax in the Soul Gem, he was actually MORE powerful than he was normally. In fact, Surfer couldn't punch a page earlier didn't have any effect AT ALL. So the fact that she was able to knock him around a bit before he took her out is a pretty good showing on her part.

Either tomorrow or maybe the day after, I'll be posting a respect thread for Gamora, so anyone who thinks she's being overestimated should check it out.