They were reffering to the earlier comment about absorbing the energy of the newborn universe he was trying to create.
He still did't have the power to pull the trick more then once. Even after Zero Hour, he never had the power for a second try.
"If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved."
You still haven't addressed this point, so I assume you agree?
Originally posted by Starhawk
They were reffering to the earlier comment about absorbing the energy of the newborn universe he was trying to create.He still did't have the power to pull the trick more then once. Even after Zero Hour, he never had the power for a second try.
"If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved."
You still haven't addressed this point, so I assume you agree?
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Abraxas can't beat him cause he is not on Spectre level.
The side effects of the Entropy rift were Multiversal but we don't know if it effected the whole Multiverse or not but there is no proof that only the UN can handle Abraxas (Imo it had)
So it is possibly a stalemate.
I never said Abraxas could beat him, And no the Entropy rifts erased the standard DC Universe that's all.
And as for the UN, as far as we know it doesn't work on Entropy.
Originally posted by leonidas
really? he had a part of the watcher's talisman, at least. i have no idea why. you're the cosmic guy. why DID he take it?
Cause he felt like it, to humiliate him,
the issue never gives any indication he needed it to boost his power in any way.
In fact, before Abraxas took it, he left the Watcher like a dribbling child, lost:
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm afraid the only thing funny is your creative cropping abilities. again . . .sure g willed it from his hand. and as the scan shows, abraxas clearly enjoyed the moment . . .
That scan doesn't in anyway show Abraxas in pain, he's screaming because the ONLY weapon that can defeat him has just been taken away from him.
Originally posted by leonidas
this from the guy who says that when an eternity m-body leaves a universe, it takes ALL of the universe with it because it IS the 'whole' universe,
Eternity is the Universe, now and forever, and you never disproved that.
So yea, this is the same guy, that showed Eternity leave a Universe, and create ANOTHER Universe with his own body, while the Universe he left behind collapsed because he left.
Originally posted by leonidas
that warlock confronted multi-eternity
Proven with satisfaction already.
"We cannot be overly Preoccupied by ANY ONE ASPECT of OUR Reality"
"WE are ALL, NO ONE PART of the WHOLE is absolutely indispensable"
They can't be preoccupied by any ONE of their ASPECTS...
Eternity/Infinity, the single Universe is an ASPECT of ALL THERE IS (the Multi-verse)
"Do you truly think that the ASPECT of ALL THERE IS"
Roma is the MULTIVERSAL Guardian:
That would be MULTI-ETERNITY:
"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"
AND THIS::
"the Embodiment of ACTUALITY, WE Exist in MYRIAD Fashions"
"Do NOT pester US, UNLIKE OURSELVES, OUR patience is not without limits"
They EXIST in MYRIAD Fashions:
(MYRIAD means: "countless or extremely great number"😉
There are a boundless number of Eternitys in the MULTI-VERSE.
AGAIN:
UNLIKE OURSELVES, OUR patience is NOT without limits:
If this is ONE Entity, WHY is it referring to OTHER SELVES of ITSELF?
WHAT Eternity (OTHER SELF) has patience with LIMITS UNLIKE this Entity?
Warlock & Eternity (the single universe) know each other well
As you can see .. they treat each other with confidence
Coincidence?
Originally posted by leonidas
1. where exactly in the end does it say that thanos destroyed the multiverse again?
Proved that conclusively,
send the boys a link to the thread if you wish, whatever.
What you were never able to answer with satisfaction is:
"For IF this BAND Could Defy Me...might not OTHERS be equally Foolish?"
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine Authority?
"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT Threaten my Reign...Until....
If Thanos only absorbed one Universe then:
1. WHO was Thanos worried about MIGHT THREATEN his Reign AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinity and the Living Tribunal?
2. WHO was Thanos referring to that might be EQUALLY foolish like Eternity/Infinity and the Living Tribunal AFTER he absorbed Eternity/Infinty & LT?
The Kree Empire? the Skrulls? the Shiar?
Perhaps the Vishanti and Mephisto and other demons?
After absorbing the TOAA's representative, (the Living Tribunal) and Eternity/Infinity,
I can see his worry of other beings with in that ONE Universe.
Originally posted by leonidas
2. where does it say multi-eternity in that warlock issue?
Already proved how the story line defines it.
Originally posted by leonidas
ohhh, you're speculating, you say?
Absolutely.
Originally posted by leonidas
using outside the book resources and trying to draw inferences? so . . . it's all right if you do it, but what, no one else can . . .?
Like what?
Originally posted by leonidas
really? then why does he have to tell g that he has an ACE up his sleeve?
Already told you, but yet again:
He held up the UN to show Big G, if I killed your other selves with my bare POWER, imagine now that I have the UN.
Originally posted by leonidas
or did i miss where that was actually said in the arc . . .?
What are you talking about?
Originally posted by leonidas
i did see the part where g told abraxas he was nothing. i know, i know, galactus was using hyperbole . . . of course he was . . .
With the Ultimate Nullifier in his face, I'm sure Galactus felt really confident.
So I don't think he was hyperboling knowing the UN was a mere thought away.
Originally posted by leonidas
galactus had no intention of using the UN. why not, exactly? you have repeatedly said that he has the ultimate control -- he could certainly have used it to focus on abraxas, no? or he could himself have used it to wipe out everything. why not on just abraxas?
Where does it say Galactus had "no intention on using the UN?"
As I remember it:
the answer:
It fell out of his hands when Nova ripped through his ears:
Originally posted by leonidas
imo because that would have done nothing. abraxas was a symptom, NOT the problem.
Abraxas was collapsing the Multi-verse.
Originally posted by leonidas
the multiverse was unhinged by g's death. because of thatdeath, abraxas was freed.
The Doors of the Multi-verse were unhinged, and this freed Abraxas, but it was Abraxas collapsing the Multi-verse.
Originally posted by leonidas
care to show anyone WHERE this was shown OR been stated to have happened in the arc . . .?
The whole purpose behind finding the Ultimate Nullifier was to attack Abraxas:
"Where the Ultimate Nullifier is hidden, so we can TAKE DOWN Abraxas"
BECAUSE:
From the WRITER'S own Words:
"IMAGINE EACH of those Worlds like Sand in an Hourglass, an Hourglass which ABRAXAS WILL SHATTER"
MORE:
"Roma, she's gonna HELP us fight the Dark Man"
"And if we don't act SOON, ALL of TIME will be LOST to us"
Because of WHO?
Because of the "Dark Man" (Abraxas)
MORE:
"I know how to get the Nullifier, let's just hope BEFORE Abraxas TURNS MY EARTH INSIDE OUT"
How can this be?
Easily,
because, "BENDING REALITY MEANS NOTHING TO HIM?"
Originally posted by leonidas
first, it was in the letter col. yeah, it's a bulletin, so . . .? . . . just who do you THINK wrote it? it's an editor's bulletin. what the hell, you think they just let some guy off the street walk up and write a summary of the story and they stuck it in the letter col?
If you want to use that Bulletin as fuel, go right ahead.
I'm not dealing with anything that's not On Panel Art, in some form at the very least.
Originally posted by leonidas
could you show all of us the part where multi-eternity is quaking in fear? or a part that tells us he is afraid at all . . .?
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS Universe, a MULTI-ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS MULTI-VERSE"
"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"
"Was a Being like NO OTHER I have EVER encountered, his name is ABRAXAS, and to say HE (MULTI-ETERNITY) had nothing to FEAR in our discovery is an UNDERSTATEMENT"
Originally posted by leonidas
it is sorta funny that you constantly deride others for not showing on-panel feats and exaggerating or lying
Don't remember including you in that pack, but if your eager to join them, again, that's on you.
Originally posted by leonidas
then you tell us multi-eternity is 'quaking' in fear (and show a SCAN as it it somehow proves your point!)
I did show you the scans, if you don't want to except the Facts, that on you.
Originally posted by leonidas
then you tell everyone abraxas is collapsing the multiverse (something else never shown or stated to have happened)
Handled previously.
Originally posted by leonidas
and then say g didn't even manage to hurt him at all and show a cropped scan that by-passes the panel that has him screaming!
Correct, Galactus did not harm Abraxas in anyway.
Abraxas screamed because he lost the UN, nothing more.
Abraxas was still standing in the exact same position as before, with out even a scratch.
Originally posted by leonidas
the hell am i saying -- in retrospect it IS damn funny!!
....
Originally posted by leonidas
mm, i seriously can't believe you posted that last scan. the same one i quoted, then said:
now in your scan, it says:
"Until this reality's galactus died. And the doors to the multiverse became unhinged."
in your own QUOTE with your own SCAN you said exactly what i said (well . . . except for the part where you added your own text to the scene, something you would crucify someone for) -- GALACTUS'S DEATH UNHINGED THE DOORS TO THE MULTIVERSE!
I didn't add anything, Abraxas is the embodiment of Multiversal Destruction, Multi-Eternity had to install a Galactus in EVERY single Universe in the Multi-verse just to keep the ONE and ONLY Abraxas at bay.
"INTO EACH REALITY Eternity made certain there was a Galactus to keep Abraxas IN CHECK, UNTIL THIS REALITY'S Galactus DIED, and the DOORS of the Multi-verse became UNHINGED"
This entire explanation by Roma is focusing on what happened when Galactus 616 died, she doesn't say the Multi-verse began to collapse or anything about the Multi-verse,
only how it allowed Abraxas to ESCAPE who would have been kept "IN CHECK" otherwise.
Originally posted by leonidas
was abraxas released? of course. but the multiverse was ALREADY unhinged, set out of whack by galactus's death. how much more clearly does a being with omniversal knowledge have to state things??
Interesting..
you just finished accusing me of, fabricating the scan with this:
"except for the part where you added your own text to the scene"
Now your saying,
"but the multiverse was ALREADY unhinged, set out of whack by galactus's death. how much more clearly does a being with omniversal knowledge have to state things"
But where is the omniversal knowledge saying what your saying?
Originally posted by leonidas
please, somewhere, SHOW me -- show all of us -- where it says abraxas is a multiversal destroyer!!
Already showd plenty of references where Abraxas is acknowledge as the Destroyer of the Multi-verse in this arc.
Originally posted by leonidas
reed says that if abraxas gets the UN he could destroy the multiverse, abraxas HIMSELF says once he HAS the UN no soul in the universes could stop him. what does that imply? it implies someone could PREVIOUSLY have had the power to stop him. or shall you dismiss it has 'crappy writing' once again?
Too bad they didn't show up for the previous 4 issues, where their entire Multi-verse was being collapsed.
Originally posted by Mr Master
"the Embodiment of ACTUALITY, WE Exist in MYRIAD Fashions"
"Do NOT pester US, UNLIKE OURSELVES, OUR patience is not without limits"They EXIST in MYRIAD Fashions:
(MYRIAD means: "countless or extremely great number"😉
There are a boundless number of Eternitys in the MULTI-VERSE.
AGAIN:
UNLIKE OURSELVES, OUR patience is NOT without limits:
If this is ONE Entity, WHY is it referring to OTHER SELVES of ITSELF?
WHAT Eternity (OTHER SELF) has patience with LIMITS UNLIKE this Entity?
I can answer that one.
It all has to do with the little bit you cropped out of the quote.
"Do NOT pester US with matters of little import, for UNLIKE OURSELVES, OUR patience is not without limits"
What they are saying, Mr.M is that they are without limits.
"Unlike ourselves, our patience is not without limits".
Ourselves are without limits (We are limitless)
THEY are limitless!
But their patience is not.
They have no limits, but their patience, now THAT is limited.
Hence the line "Unlike ourselves, our patience is not without limits"
Originally posted by Starhawk
And again, swearing and insults, As I stated I read the series, You've made claims which I have refutted using the book. Instead of being rude and insulting just debate the point.
