Civil War Report

I agree with both... but thanks to this discussion, I see the pros of the reg act. On a slight off-topic question... do we know who the mystery Daredevil is yet?

Originally posted by willRules
Doesn't change the fact that the experienced adults and inexperienced kids still made similar mistakes. The pro-registration are willing to look down on the younger generation of heroes but I bet they don't like it when their mistakes as experienced heroes are brought up.

Personally I am not against Shield or whatever training heroes or even paying them to do a job they volunteered to do. But I am against them exposing their identities to the rest of the world.............And that's what they are doing. Its not gonna be a case of just the governement or shield knowing it, they won't stop until their is no such thing as a secret identity..........

Wrong. Shield is only asking them to register with the government. You can't assume what they will do in the future, because that's all they want now.

Spider-Man (along with Iron Man) took it upon themselves to reveal their identities to the entire world; Shield did not force them to do it.

Originally posted by willRules
Doesn't change the fact that the experienced adults and inexperienced kids still made similar mistakes. The pro-registration are willing to look down on the younger generation of heroes but I bet they don't like it when their mistakes as experienced heroes are brought up.

Personally I am not against Shield or whatever training heroes or even paying them to do a job they volunteered to do. But I am against them exposing their identities to the rest of the world.............And that's what they are doing. Its not gonna be a case of just the governement or shield knowing it, they won't stop until their is no such thing as a secret identity..........

I'm surprised that people don't get this. Quicksilver didn't make a mistake. He made a choice. He didn't accidently change the world/destroyed lives. He knew what he was doing, knew the effect it would have and did it anyway. Thats not the same thing as accidently blowing up hundreds of kids cause you didn't think things through.

And SHIELD is not forcing anyone to reveal their identity to the world. Spider-Man and Tony chose to do so. The SRA only makes for the heroes to expose their identities to the government

Originally posted by marvelprince

And SHIELD is not forcing anyone to reveal their identity to the world. Spider-Man and Tony chose to do so. The SRA only makes for the heroes to expose their identities to the government

While I understand what u r saying answer this, Can you or anyone that agrees with the SRA gurantee that once the super heroes (lets say they do) register with the government their identities will be safe from hackers, disgruntled SHIELD employees, corrupt politicians and super villains? The answer is No, thats why some of us are against it.

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
While I understand what u r saying answer this, Can you or anyone that agrees with the SRA gurantee that once the super heroes (lets say they do) register with the government their identities will be safe from hackers, disgruntled SHIELD employees, corrupt politicians and super villains? The answer is No, thats why some of us are against it.

That has to be a risk they are willing to take, then. The SRA is law now; any superhero who decides it is wrong and is unwilling to follow it, but continues to remain an unregistered vigilante, becomes a criminal. That's a fact. However, the choice is always there to hang up the tights, and avoid registering with the government. If they don't want to compromise their identity, afraid that it would get leaked somehow, they don't have to.

Either they can remain doing what they're doing and register with the government, semi-confident that it won't be leaked, or they can quit their self-imposed "jobs," and not have to worry about the danger that might have come to families, friends, etc.

Think about this: Would you want somebody to move into your town, and suddenly start patrolling around with a gun, watching out for any "criminals" he may deem necessary for a need of justice? Of course not. You don't know who this guy is, you have no idea where he's been, or what he does, but he comes into town telling everybody that they're safer with him around, because he'll protect them.

Same things with superheroes. So far, the duty has been put in their hands to decide what's right and what's wrong, who deserves to be put in jail and who deserves to be killed. I'll tell you what, if I was living in their world, I wouldn't feel too safe either.

I still can't understand why people would support the SRA, assuming you're taking the position of a citizen in their world.

There are literally thousands of Air Marshals, Federal Agents, CIA operatives, NSA Agents, and covert operations specialist who have identities known only by the government. They made the choice to risk this info to serve the public.

Just stumbled on a discovery some-one made which i think could possibly true, the new daredevil is Nick Fury 😎 or perhaps hawkeye. Probably Nicky.

I'd prefer Hawkeye being alive...

Interesting... what led them to believe its Nick?

Its over on the superhero hype forums, i would copy and paste but i need a shower ill be back later.

So, you are really saying you would trust an untrained unlicensed 15 year old kid with a gun, as much as you would trust a trained and licensed police officer.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Wrong. Shield is only asking them to register with the government. You can't assume what they will do in the future, because that's all they want now.

Spider-Man (along with Iron Man) took it upon themselves to reveal their identities to the entire world; Shield did not force them to do it.

I'm saying there is every possibility that down the line, it will go further, why draw the line there????? Why not do a spider-man and go public??? If everyone supported it, this wouldn't be the end of it.

Also there is the issue of safety with the government. I know your average employee doesn't need to worry about the risks but your average employee isn't in the public eye because of superpowers and trust issues 🙂

Originally posted by marvelprince
I'm surprised that people don't get this. Quicksilver didn't make a mistake. He made a choice. He didn't accidently change the world/destroyed lives. He knew what he was doing, knew the effect it would have and did it anyway. Thats not the same thing as accidently blowing up hundreds of kids cause you didn't think things through.

And SHIELD is not forcing anyone to reveal their identity to the world. Spider-Man and Tony chose to do so. The SRA only makes for the heroes to expose their identities to the government

Quicksilver was responsible for the alteration of the the very fabric of the time space continuum but because he chose to do it as opposed to making a mistake, doesn't really put the experienced heroes in a good light either eer

Let's talk about major events in comics for a moment. The deaths of Maxwell Lord, Gwen Stacy, George Stacy, Jason Todd, Bucky Barnes, Supergirl, the Flash, Spidey finding out he's a clone, Spidey revealing his secret ID, Jean Grey's death as Phoenix, Hal Jordan becoming Parallax, May Parker finding out the truth about Peter, MJs pregnancy, Barbera Gordon's paralysis, and more...

I would love the new DD to be Nick fury but his personality doesn't seem like nicks. Remember how he said "Oh man..." with a scared look on his face when he found the dead guy in one of the DD issues? Fury would never react like that.

...Fans complain that the same stories are always told in comics, but when writers actually step out to tell a story that changes the status quo, a lot of fans raise holy hell w/o even stopping to see if it really is a good story being told. "Hal Jordan? Evil?! Never!" "Peter Parker? A clone?! Insanity!" "Spidey went public? Are they mad?!" Some of these were good stories, some weren't. But until the entire story is told, you can't say if the idea was trash or treasure. See it through 1st.

Trust issues? If they don't want to trust the gov with their ID, then they should retire. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They either decide that their desire to help is so great, it's worth the risk of trusting the gov; or they decide that their desire to help isn't so great that it's worth the risk of trusting the gov.

And as for your "Why stop there?" question about forcing everyone to go public, it's like this. The gov just made it illegal for people with guns to patrol the streets for crime as they see fit, now you're asking what's to keep the gov from forcing everyone with a licensed gun to post their personal info on a public website. Right now it is illegal to patrol the streets with a gun, yet no licensed weapon holders are forced to tell the whole world who they are.

Everyone going public isn't in the interest of national security. But anyway, on the subject of young heroes wanting to help, what about Power Pack? They have powers, they want to help people, they want to fight crime. So what if none of them have even hit puberty or even their teens yet and they're all less than 11, so what if they are completely w/o experiance. They want to be out on the streets fighting crime, and goshdarnit, that's what their gonna do.

I'm reading Planet Hulk and Civil War. Does anybody know if the Hulk will be a part of Civil War? My apologies if this has been answered already.