Darth Vader(TESB) vs Count Dooku(ROTS)

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
1. Vader aint that slow... when he fought maul he was very fast....

Not canon. Point moot. (Besides, how can you guage the speed of an opponent from a comic?)

2. His bowers 6-ipled sence the last time he fought with dooku....

And Jar-Jar is the Queen of England. Seriously man, where the Holy Hell do you come up with figures like that? Besides, '6-ipled' makes no sense (if I assume correctly that you are speaking english). At first I thought you were implying Vader had grown 6 more nipples since his last fight with Dooku.

3. All odds say that Vader could easly killl Dok... Although Dok would put up a deacent fight...

And what odds might they be? Oh wait, let me answer that for you. The ones you blatantly pulled out of your ass to suit your biased argument. Also, for the love of Jesus, dont refer to the Count as 'Dok'. I find it rather irritating.

lol...dude get a girlfriend....
1. Use your logic (if you have some), Maul was very, very fast... Faster than Dok as far as I'm concerned...
2. sry for the spelling.... his powers* 6-applied (6x more powerful) than the last time they fought
3. these facts... don't insult me cause i didn't insult you.... and stop being a Dok lover....

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
lol...dude get a girlfriend....
1. Use your logic (if you have some), Maul was very, very fast... Faster than Dok as far as I'm concerned...
2. sry for the spelling.... his powers* 6-applied (6x more powerful) than the last time they fought
3. these facts... don't insult me cause i didn't insult you.... and stop being a Dok lover....

Well as we all know, the show should be out this year (its this year, right?) and that will be canon, and hopefully we can see what mech Vader can actually do with up to date Special effects.

Ox...waiting for your reply...

what star wars show

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458291/ cant believe you haven't heard about it....we just dont know if there will be main characters or not. But i think he would have learned after not putting a lot of mech vader in EP3.

i sure hope vader isnt slow in this one, and that they explain how he became so feared and ruthless in the galaxy, That how did every one know about him, RODV only completes a small percentage

Guys this debating really is pointless, by Kuca's own admission, Vader is inferior in dueling to jedi like TPM Obi-Wan (LOL!), so Dooku curbstomps him.

lol here we go again... WHY DON't THEY BAN PPL LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!

We need people like CP on this forum, otherwise there's nobody else to laugh at.

Originally posted by Captain Planet
Guys this debating really is pointless, by Kuca's own admission, Vader is inferior in dueling to jedi like TPM Obi-Wan (LOL!), so Dooku curbstomps him.

prove it. Prove "Kuca's" said that TPM OB1 is better than Vader.

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
1. Use your logic (if you have some), Maul was very, very fast... Faster than Dok as far as I'm concerned...

😆 . The book is not canon, therefore you cant use it in any way to help your argument. I thought I had established that in my previous post, God knows why you are still pressing the [moot] point.

2. sry for the spelling.... his powers* 6-applied (6x more powerful) than the last time they fought

Well, im sorry but I tend to disagree. Where the hell did you come up with figures like that? I really dont know how to reply to such blatant stupidity. Besides, Anakin's fighting abilities were severely impaired after his incident on Mustafar. His force powers certainly got better, but in terms of a blade he was nothing more than a crippled half man, half machine.

3. these facts... don't insult me cause i didn't insult you.... and stop being a Dok lover....

These facts? Im sorry but I dont recall you providing any 'facts' (apart from the bullsh*t ones you were trying to push on me earlier in this post, which really cant be caled facts). Now go anway and form an argument if you want - but for everyones sake, dont say 'Dok'. If you do I shall automatically regard you as an obnoxious noob and disregard your argument.

EDIT: I will get to your argument Subjekt, this guy is relly pissing me off though.

lol..it is you who proves to be stupid once again...
1. Stop with this "it's not cannon" stuff, because if it isn't cannon why is it in the comic...anyway that's 1 of my theaories
2. "...Darth Vader shall become stronger then either of us..."- Sidious
... tell me now that Vader wasn't close by power to palpatine and i'll kill you...
3. Stop insulting or things will get nasty... and these ARE facts... I know you are in love with C.Lee and Dooku and everything, but don't come here and tell me that Dooku is more powerful than Vader BECAUSE HE ISN'T FACE IT!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Darth_Frost
"...Darth Vader shall become stronger then either of us..."- Sidious
... tell me now that Vader wasn't close by power to palpatine and i'll kill you...

You do realize that Darth Sidious only says that quote in relation to pre-suit Darth Vader, correct? Once his limbs were strewn across the banks of Mustafar, his potential severely decreased (as did his lightsaber skill), and he no longer had the ability to surpass either Sidious or Yoda.

According to George Lucas though, he still possessed roughly 80% of the Emporer's power, but would definitely never be greater than Sidious himself.

@ Rampant:

The book is not canon, therefore you cant use it in any way to help your argument.

The book you're referring to is Resurrection, where Vader fights something appearing to be Darth Maul. And it is canon. Leland Chee has confirmed this in his blog. However, it is not confirmed as to what we are seeing in the form of Darth Maul. He notes several possibilities, such as: a clone, illusion, or a vision like what Luke faced on Dagobah.

So, because of such, it is irrelevant to bring it up as you cannot compare their power. For all we know, it was a slower version of Maul. For all we know, it was a weaker version of Maul. Of course, that doesn't leave out alternative guesses, but it's inconclusive, and you cannot compare his speed in the comic to the movie. It's really quite irrelevant to even bring it up.

And by the way, Darth Vader had to put his life in complete jeopardy just to kill the Darth Maul we see. He practically committed seppuku with his lightsaber just to down him, so it's not as if he trounced all over that version of Maul – not by a long shot.

As for you, Frost, you really haven't backed up that many of these supposed "facts" by viable evidence.

Frost, your heart is in the right place but you're not helping our cause, lol.
Ox something i forgot to mention earlier... As powerful as Dooku was, Anakin just pwned him like nobody's business, correct? Which would mean in order to pwn someone so powerful, he would already be leagues above him, so even if he did lose his potential, it would be feasible that he would have been lowered to Dooku's level.

Which actually brings up another point. When Vader was beaten on Mustafar, it never said he weakened, it said his potential was severely decreased. We do not know what percentage Anakin was of Sidious at that point, or what version on Sidious. For all we know, Vader could have increased to 80% of Sidious, it hasn't been stated either way. But if was that far above Dooku then, there's no reason to assume that he ended up weaker than Dooku.

And Lucas said that PT Jedi were in the prime of dueling, he never said that any PT duelist could beat any OT duelist. Thats asinine.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well that was more for Advent. She mentioned something similar to that earlier.

No, I didn't. If you're referring to me saying this:

Originally posted by Advent
Then I'd surmise neither is strength. It works both ways, you know.

I'm merely pointing out that while Kadesh stated "speed isn't a deciding factor", neither is strength. In a nutshell, I was implying what you said afterwards, except wording it to fit the statement made by Kadesh.

If not that, then I don't know what. Care to elaborate?

And Lucas said that PT Jedi were in the prime of dueling, he never said that any PT duelist could beat any OT duelist. Thats asinine.

He made clear that the jedi we see fighting in TPM were better duelists than those we see in the OT, so if TPM Obi-Wan is a better duelist than Vader, Dooku completely annihilates him.

I don't mean to be a jack@$$, but what was the exact quote?

Originally posted by Advent
No, I didn't. If you're referring to me saying this:

I'm merely pointing out that while Kadesh stated "speed isn't a deciding factor", neither is strength. In a nutshell, I was implying what you said afterwards, except wording it to fit the statement made by Kadesh.

If not that, then I don't know what. Care to elaborate?

No, i didn't mean that in an argumentative manner, just getting it out of the way in case you were rooting for Dooku, and in case I noted Vader's strength as a decided factor. Just showing I acknowledge both sides of that argument.

Originally posted by Sexyback
He made clear that the jedi we see fighting in TPM were better duelists than those we see in the OT, so if TPM Obi-Wan is a better duelist than Vader, Dooku completely annihilates him.

That doesn't prove that TPM OB1 can beat Vader, to assume so is ridiculous.

OK, provide a quote and an audio clip or scan, since you're so big on that kind of shit.

In a saber duel, according to Lucas, yes. And I don't see what's wrong with that, TPM Obi-Wan held his own against Maul, Maul would decimate Vader.

It's here, I would provide a quote but the vids not working on the pc I am on for some reason, it's a short video anyway, it won't take up too much of your time.

http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/bts/me1/6.html