Originally posted by SpunkySmurphWell I like the New Avengers but maybe since Dr Strange is in the team they should be the New Defenders? 😕
The roster doesn't fit. It's pumped full of cash cows, which just means everyone is written a little off key and the story sucksThe name sucks. They aren't the avengers... they're rebelling againt the american government and fighting the avengers, They deserve a new name. Cap would've given them one.
Oh, and the art sucks.
Did I miss anything?
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The roster doesn't fit. It's pumped full of cash cows, which just means everyone is written a little off key and the story sucksThe name sucks. They aren't the avengers... they're rebelling againt the american government and fighting the avengers, They deserve a new name. Cap would've given them one.
Oh, and the art sucks.
Did I miss anything?
Tell me about it. Echo, Ronin, Luke Cage and Spider-Woman are HUGE sellers. I get sooo tired of seeing in all of one book a month.
What do mean they're not Avengers? They are more Avengers than the other team. The MA were drafted, if anything they aren't the ones who should be Avengers. Cage and co at least have a cause that they are avenging. And in case you missed it Cap did name them the Avengers.
To each his own. I personally would have prefered Maleev for this title but I like Yu's art.
Yea, the parts that actually made sense.
Originally posted by marvelprinceMaybe. But Spider-Man, Wolverine, Doc Strange, the Ironfist/Powerman combo and Hawkeye are all big players. Spider Woman also happens to have a lot of popularity. And it stands to reason that the lineup could've been leaps and bounds better then what it is.
Tell me about it. Echo, Ronin, Luke Cage and Spider-Woman are HUGE sellers. I get sooo tired of seeing in all of one book a month.What do mean they're not Avengers? They are more Avengers than the other team. The MA were drafted, if anything they aren't the ones who should be Avengers. Cage and co at least have a cause that they are avenging. And in case you missed it Cap did name them the Avengers.
To each his own. I personally would have prefered Maleev for this title but I like Yu's art.
Yea, the parts that actually made sense.
Yes... but that was because Marvel wanted them to be called the avengers. The avengers was never a group of freedom fighters. And most of these guys shouldn't be avengers anyways... at least, not in this role.
To each his own.
Hah!
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Maybe. But Spider-Man, Wolverine, Doc Strange, the Ironfist/Powerman combo and Hawkeye are all big players. Spider Woman also happens to have a lot of popularity. And it stands to reason that the lineup could've been leaps and bounds better then what it is.
Dr Strange has more of cult following than anything, not a solid fan base. He hasn't been able to hold a series for a while. Hawkeye is big with Avenger fans mostly, look how "well" his solo series did. Spider-Woman and Cage have a sort of new popularity, but thats only because Bendis brought them out of limbo. He made them popular by using them, he didn't use them to get popular so I don't your point.
Face it, the only ones you can really call "cash cows" are Spider-Man and Wolverine. I fail to see how 2/8 really popular characters makes them "pumped full of cash cows", but if thats how you have to rationalize not liking the team then so be it.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Yes... but that was because Marvel wanted them to be called the avengers. The avengers was never a group of freedom fighters. And most of these guys shouldn't be avengers anyways... at least, not in this role.
Really? All this time I thought Cap was big on freedom.
I don't understand what you mean when you say "most of these guys shouldn't be Avengers"
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
To each his own.
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Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Hah!
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You know I really use to hate Luke Cage but since he saved his head and joined the New Avengers I have really grown quite fond of him.
I think its funny cause he was the first name on New Avengers I heard that made me think it was gonna rune the series for me but he was actually one of my favorite parts.
Originally posted by marvelprinceThey're still much more popular then half the people they could've put on a team like that... it was clearly just thrown together because Marvel thought that putting those people on a team would make them money.
Dr Strange has more of cult following than anything, not a solid fan base. He hasn't been able to hold a series for a while. Hawkeye is big with Avenger fans mostly, look how "well" his solo series did. Spider-Woman and Cage have a sort of new popularity, but thats only because Bendis brought them out of limbo. He made them popular by using them, he didn't use them to get popular so I don't your point.Face it, the only ones you can really call "cash cows" are Spider-Man and Wolverine. I fail to see how 2/8 really popular characters makes them "pumped full of cash cows", but if thats how you have to rationalize not liking the team then so be it.
Really? All this time I thought Cap was big on freedom.
I don't understand what you mean when you say "most of these guys shouldn't be Avengers"
He is. But the avengers were created for an entirely different situation, which he would have recognized.
Perhaps they could each make sense as an avenger if the scenario seemed even remotely like the avengers... or if any of them seemed familiar as avengers.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
They're still much more popular then half the people they could've put on a team like that... it was clearly just thrown together because Marvel thought that putting those people on a team would make them money.He is. But the avengers were created for an entirely different situation, which he would have recognized.
Perhaps they could each make sense as an avenger if the scenario seemed even remotely like the avengers... or if any of them seemed familiar as avengers.
Really? Before Bendis touched the characters was Spider-Woman, Luke Cage or Echo more popular then say Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch.
The Avengers were created for an entirely different situation? So the premise of every team must revolve around Loki or some situation where they have to come together? Isn't that a bit self contradictory considering that the Mighty Avengers were all just drafted?
Guess two years of being Avengers wasn't good enough for these guys to call themselves Avengers. Or the fact that they actually have something to avenge. And if you think that they're not Avengers cause they're not cozy with the government then you should brush up with your history. The government recently sent the Thunderbolts after the Avengers, before that the government forced an official rep on the team to handle the roster etc. They may not have ever been "offical" outlaws before, but the Avengers at odds with the public and government is not new.
Originally posted by marvelprinceIffy... but that's not the point, is it?
Really? Before Bendis touched the characters was Spider-Woman, Luke Cage or Echo more popular then say Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch.The Avengers were created for an entirely different situation? So the premise of every team must revolve around Loki or some situation where they have to come together? Isn't that a bit self contradictory considering that the Mighty Avengers were all just drafted?
Guess two years of being Avengers wasn't good enough for these guys to call themselves Avengers. Or the fact that they actually have something to avenge. And if you think that they're not Avengers cause they're not cozy with the government then you should brush up with your history. The government recently sent the Thunderbolts after the Avengers, before that the government forced an official rep on the team to handle the roster etc. They may not have ever been "offical" outlaws before, but the Avengers at odds with the public and government is not new.
They are more popular now... and even then, Scarlet Witch is some depowered hooker right now, and Quicksilver's been waging war with the Inhumans... or, planning to.
Don't put words in my mouth and then say that it's contradictory... 😬
The Mighty Avengers, like the former avengers, was created on the premise of both national and global peace keeping... that's what the Initiative is essentially about.
The New Avengers was created as a rebel team who wouldn't follow the law as stated by the government because they felt in inhibited their personal freedoms... that's nothing like what the Avengers have been created for before.
Which is why I said they should have a new name... their only tie to the avengers was just shot.
Again, putting words in my mouth...
I don't think that Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the rest feel like avengers when it's a team that pulled a bunch of people who were either never avengers in the past, or were for a couple of years at best (with the exception of a couple). Then it sticks them in a scenario that goes against the grain of 90 % of Avenger's plots, and call them the "New" Avengers. And the avengers have never stood for avenging... similair to the Defenders and how they avenge more then they defend.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Iffy... but that's not the point, is it?
It kind of is seeing as how your argument hinges on it.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
They are more popular now... and even then, Scarlet Witch is some depowered hooker right now, and Quicksilver's been waging war with the Inhumans... or, planning to.
So because Marvel brought these characters out of obsurity and they became popular that equates to Marvel putting a bunch of cashcows on one team?
Why are you still trying to argue this point? You're wrong here, just accept it
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The Mighty Avengers, like the former avengers, was created on the premise of both national and global peace keeping... that's what the Initiative is essentially about.
Wrong again. The former Avengers were not created. They came together as a result of a crisis and stayed together to do good as a team. The New Avengers came together as a result of Civil War and stay together to do good as a team. Only difference is that they don't want to do it under the government. This version came together not because the world was in peril or anything but because Tony (or rather Jarvis) felt the world needed Avengers so he DRAFTED them.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
The New Avengers was created as a rebel team who wouldn't follow the law as stated by the government because they felt in inhibited their personal freedoms... that's nothing like what the Avengers have been created for before.
A team that wants to do good without the government dictating to them how to do it. Actually that sounds a lot like Avengers Vol. 2.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Which is why I said they should have a new name... their only tie to the avengers was just shot.
Nope.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I don't think that Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the rest feel like avengers when it's a team that pulled a bunch of people who were either never avengers in the past, or were for a couple of years at best (with the exception of a couple). Then it sticks them in a scenario that goes against the grain of 90 % of Avenger's plots, and call them the "New" Avengers. And the avengers have never stood for avenging... similair to the Defenders and how they avenge more then they defend.
How does it go against the grain of the "classic Avengers"? Team flung together by chance/circumstance looking to help others. Throw in the oppressive government angle and you have a plotline from the old Avengers.
And your thing about the members makes no sense since team upheavals have been a recurring theme in the Avengers for years, dating back to Cap and the Kooky quartet.